NOT FACT. He started to regenerate. He only used a portion of the regeneration energy.


NOT FACT. He made it clear he only used part of the energy, he was not affected by a full regeneration. The rest of his body did not change. There is nothing to suggest that any aspect of his body or personality changed one iota. Therefore, any assignment of a new incarnation is ihe mind of the author and not supported by any official source.


He played two versions of the Doctor. No other version has been alluded to.

The fact is that no-one knows how the redirection of regeneration energy 'counts' in the biology of Time Lords, let alone whether it 'counts' towards any limit of regeneration.

If your chronology holds true, then Matt Smith is currently the 14th Doctor, not the 13th. In 'The Angels Take Manhattan', the Doctor burn regeneration energy in order to heal River Song. If triggering this is enough to call him a new incarnation, then he's the 14th.

I disagree. Just cause people don't acknowledge it - doesn't mean it didn't happen.

When DT was questioned (post regeneration) why he didn't change faces - he did not it reply 'Cause it wasn't a full regeneration?' - he reply that he syphoned off the regenerative energy that would have otherwise changed his face.

Full regeneration minus the new face.

He regenerated. Just because it doesn't fit with YOUR perception of what a regeneration is, doesn't mean it didn't happen RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.

As for Matt Smith burning regenerative energy to heal River - that's all he did. Burn some energy. There was never any question of him regenerating. Also, he made it clear he owed River some of the energy she gave him - when she infused him with her last ten regnerations, so that he might live - in Let's Kill Hitler.

In answer to the question...no I am not confused by the chronology as nothing has technically been changed. AFAIK.

Nor does it mean that it did.


I'm afraid the transcripts don't support that interpretation.

"Used the regeneration energy to heal myself", just as you described Eleventh doing. Not "regenerated to heal myself, but chose to keep the same face". "Stop the energy going all the way" clearly discounts any claims of a full regeneration.


And just because it fits in with YOUR perception of what a regeneration is, doesn't mean it happened at all.

At the very least, you should probably stop labelling things as FACT, because of all the guesses and assumptions you've made.

... in your opinion. FACT!

An opinion that an opinion is not a fact is not really an opinion. FACT!

i think the title of matt smiths first episdode "The Eleventh Hour" signifies that he is the 11th doctor. if the wirters intended that Tennents healing was an actual regenration they wouldnt have used that title.

but it is only my opinion not fact

Given how seriously the conversation is being taken: I guess we'd have to figure out what it is about Time Lord DNA that allows regenerations (and, yes, it is the DNA per the usual not-particularly-scientific 2011 mumbo jumbo) and what it is that causes that capacity to decline — is it the new cells that are a poorer generational copy or is it the release of energy that depletes them?

So, does anybody have any suitable DNA handy?

lol perhaps we should jsut go back and enjoy the show as entertainment and allow the writers to make mistakes ...

None of it is fact; by definition, it is all fiction.

And that's a FACT

It's pretty obvious to me that Tennant's Doctor would not have been able to deliberately stop a proper regeneration from changing him. Considering how distraught he was at losing his identity when he regenerated into Matt there's no way he would have let it happen if he had a choice about it.

Ergo, proper regenerations don't give him a choice. Ergo, what happened in Journey's End was not a proper regeneration.

It was a proper regeneration. It gave life to a dying Doctor and created an entirely new Doctor. I don't know how much more proper you can get. It is a textbook regneration.

As for why he was so distraught at regenerating in 'End of Time' (as opposed to 'Journeys End') - it's because he didn't have a severed hand 'handy' - so didn't have the option of syphoning off the face-changing energy.

So he had a 'Traditional' regeneration. :sleep:

In what way was he "entirely new"?

Antibiotics can give life to a dying Doctor. Anti-venom could give life to a dying Doctor. Regeneration energy from the severed hand could give life to a dying Doctor.

None of these things imply an actual regeneration.

It's speculation at best and, to me, it doesn't sound credible at all, let alone a FACT.

Remember when he burst into flames & sparks flew out his every oriface?

Remind us what that's called again?

The difference wasn't in the choice, it was that he conveniently happened to have the one type of item in the universe that would enable him to short-circuit the process. Without that, it would have completed as normal, no matter how much he willed it.


So, in other words, completely unlike any other regeneration? A 'textbook' regeneration involves the Doctor walking away with an entirely new face and body. That didn't happen, and two things did happen that usually don't. I'd say that's as far from 'proper' as you can get.

Well actually, that didn't tend to happen to the first 8 Doctors so I guess we can't really read too much into it, if you ask me

Well, the first 7, in any case. (We never DID see McGann regenerate into Hurt. Or Hurt into Eccleston, for that matter. )

For all we know... cake mix flew out thier nose!

It was a 'WIldcard' Regeneration - as opposed to a 'Traditional' Regeneration. Things happened. Stuff got kerraazy....

More likely fishfingers and custard

He must have got the craving from somewhere

I can see it's been explained to you elsewhere, but you are choosing to ignore what the actual explanations according to the Doctor himself are telling you, so why should you listen to the others explaining why calling it a fact is wrong.

Anyway, just as an addendum - the regeneration energy was used to 'heal' (in his words) not regenerate. He then siphoned off the unused energy into the nearby receptacle (his hand).

The fact that regeneration energy can be used to heal as opposed to regenerate is supported in both Let's Kill Hitler (when River gives him her regenration energy to bring him back from the brink of death - or are you suggesting that is another regeneration?) and The Angels Take Manhattan (when he heals River's wrist with his regeneration energy, or is that another regeneration minus the face change?).

The actual evidence supports the claims contrary to your suggestion. Whilst it's not fact that it wasn't a regeneration, it is a much closer explanation to the actual happenings than your theory (not FACT) is.

Whilst placing the Hurt Doctor (got to call him something) in chronological order is interesting. It is his life that I most anticipate being revealed in the special. Obviously, at least part of it, was/is/will be dark. Was it long, with adventures and companion(s)? For it to only last a moment would be a tragedy.

I'll conceed that DT may not have regenerated. :sleep:

Then again - he may have! I will say however, that it looked RATHER regeneratey to me.

I stand by all the rest of my FACTS however.

Actually the first and second "FACTS" are essentially the same but the last FACT is probably true

Mind you, I'm not sure if we know if the human Doctor was known as the Doctor. Maybe Rose came up with another name for him

True, it did.

And besides the above conceit, there was only one other FACT in your post - of which I have no argument!