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Old 23-05-2013, 10:01
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Apple getting its knickers in a bunch again with its wonderful/never should been granted/ridiculously fluffy user-interface patent again.

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Old 23-05-2013, 11:02
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tip to apple. innovate.
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Old 23-05-2013, 11:08
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tip to apple. innovate.
Not sure if that alone would help. Apple was on a smartphone market alone for a long time. They more or less created it and got a dominant position, because competition did not have anything competitive to offer. Until later versions of Android came and phones like Galaxy S2,3,4. Now there's a wide range of competitive smartphones on the market, a balance is being restored to its natural state and Apple is losing the dominance and the money. Their mobile products are niche and high-end, just like their computers are. Steve Jobs had identified the problem correctly. Cheaper, good quality alternatives are a threat for Apple's obscene profits. The same is happening on a tablet market. Apple created the market and profitted enormously because of that. Now it's ending, too. So unless Apple changes a strategy and starts producing wider price range, they will be pushed into the same position as they now have on computer market.
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Old 23-05-2013, 11:21
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Not sure if that alone would help. Apple was on a smartphone market alone for a long time. They more or less created it and got a dominant position, because competition did not have anything competitive to offer. Until later versions of Android came and phones like Galaxy S2,3,4. Now there's a wide range of competitive smartphones on the market, a balance is being restored to its natural state and Apple is losing the dominance and the money. Their mobile products are niche and high-end, just like their computers are. Steve Jobs had identified the problem correctly. Cheaper, good quality alternatives are a threat for Apple's obscene profits. The same is happening on a tablet market. Apple created the market and profitted enormously because of that. Now it's ending, too. So unless Apple changes a strategy and starts producing wider price range, they will be pushed into the same position as they now have on computer market.
I think you and Daclick are saying very similar things.

Apple need to be newer, better, faster to justify their prices. If they don't innovate, other people start offering similar products and Apple either have to reduce prices or lose market share.

So they can innovate, or they can drop prices (maybe with cheaper versions of their products). Or they can spend a fortune on marketing and hope no one notices that their products are not very good value, while at the same time spend a fortune on legal action to try and slow down the competition.
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Old 23-05-2013, 12:29
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Not sure if that alone would help. Apple was on a smartphone market alone for a long time. They more or less created it and got a dominant position, because competition did not have anything competitive to offer. Until later versions of Android came and phones like Galaxy S2,3,4. Now there's a wide range of competitive smartphones on the market, a balance is being restored to its natural state and Apple is losing the dominance and the money. Their mobile products are niche and high-end, just like their computers are. Steve Jobs had identified the problem correctly. Cheaper, good quality alternatives are a threat for Apple's obscene profits. The same is happening on a tablet market. Apple created the market and profitted enormously because of that. Now it's ending, too. So unless Apple changes a strategy and starts producing wider price range, they will be pushed into the same position as they now have on computer market.
So Apple created the smartphone market? What about Symbian and BlackBerry and Windows Mobile? All were available way before Apple made their first phone. You could say that Apple nailed the form factor and Android has popularised it.
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Old 23-05-2013, 15:31
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Oh dear, here we go again.

Apple run out of ideas i take it and has to sue..
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Old 23-05-2013, 15:47
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So Apple created the smartphone market? What about Symbian and BlackBerry and Windows Mobile? All were available way before Apple made their first phone. You could say that Apple nailed the form factor and Android has popularised it.
Call it nailing the form factor then. Everybody wanted to have an iPhone, they wiped floor with the competition. I don't think they can repeat this. Competitors are much stronger now. So Apple tries to sue them instead.
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Old 23-05-2013, 15:55
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Call it nailing the form factor then. Everybody wanted to have an iPhone, they wiped floor with the competition. I don't think they can repeat this. Competitors are much stronger now. So Apple tries to sue them instead.
That is exactly what it is, Apple cannot handle the fact that people want a device with less restrictions or are against Apple products for other reasons & so they throw all their toys out of the pram throwing lame lawsuits, every time a competitor releases a handset that they have no hope in hell of matching.

In the past I have owned a iPhone 3GS & iPhone 4, both devices suited my needs once they were jailbroken. I don't want a device which has restrictions from doing things like installing software that isn't on the market, drag n drop through windows etc etc, which is why I will pick Android over Apple every time.
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Old 23-05-2013, 15:56
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Oh dear, here we go again.

Apple run out of ideas i take it and has to sue..
Yes, because it really is as simple as those two *facts*.
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Old 23-05-2013, 16:02
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Yes, because it really is as simple as those two *facts*.
Well obviously not!

However, i await your countless posts as to how apple are correct on this one as well
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Old 23-05-2013, 16:03
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It would be interesting to know how much damage that these silly lawsuits do to the Apple brand?

I know it has put me off. A year or so ago I was considering an iPad, but was put off by Apple's bully boy tactics and went for an android tablet instead.
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Old 23-05-2013, 16:04
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It would be interesting to know how much damage that these silly lawsuits do to the Apple brand?

I know it has put me off. A year or so ago I was considering an iPad, but was put off by Apple's bully boy tactics and went for an android tablet instead.
Indeed. I won't buy apple again since all this nonsense started and seems to be carrying on. The Mrs however bought an ipad a few months ago again only because she had a lot invested in the platform.
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Old 23-05-2013, 19:49
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Well obviously not!

However, i await your countless posts as to how apple are correct on this one as well
Then you're out of luck.

I just wanted to check it wasn't as simple as you made out.

Although if it "obviously isn't", I'm not sure why you posted what you did, suggesting that it was.

Is that how this rolls - you like to post stuff about Apple that "obviously isn't" the case?
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:14
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Posted about this on the Apple thread the other week.

The Galaxy S4 has sold a record breaking 10 Million handsets within 1 month. Its no wonder Apple are calling their lawyers. That's potential a huge loss of customers that should be buying the iPhone 5 instead! Saint Steve will be turning in his grave Its no wonder Apple are reaching for the lawyers. The competition must be destroyed as its Steve Jobs final wish


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05...g_patent_suit/

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=3488

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/25...t_Samsung.aspx
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:20
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Why are they roping in Samsung and the Galaxy S4 into all of this?

If they actually do have an issue with Google Now, then Apple should sue Google alone or every manufacturer of every device running Google Now.....It reeks of desperation on Apple's part to single out Samsung and the Galaxy S4 in all of this...

It doesn't make sense, and once again it looks like Apple has resorted to patent trolling because the S4 just sold 10 million units and Android is the #1 smartphone OS in the world. How about Apple spend the money on actually developing an innovative product rather than splashing out on superfluous lawsuits.
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:29
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Without it being a pissing contest, is 10m S4s in a month good?
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:32
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The iPhone 5 sold 6 million in one weekend.
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:37
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Why are they roping in Samsung and the Galaxy S4 into all of this?

If they actually do have an issue with Google Now, then Apple should sue Google alone or every manufacturer of every device running Google Now.....It reeks of desperation on Apple's part to single out Samsung and the Galaxy S4 in all of this...

It doesn't make sense, and once again it looks like Apple has resorted to patent trolling because the S4 just sold 10 million units and Android is the #1 smartphone OS in the world. How about Apple spend the money on actually developing an innovative product rather than splashing out on superfluous lawsuits.
Its easy to get on the phone and call the lawyers. Plus they have to kill off the competition or at the very least slow it down. Tie them up in legal red tape. Try to get the product banned. Then everyone will have less choice so sales of the iPhone 5 will improve. Plus you may be able to get a some money out of the competition from legal rulings.
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:40
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The iPhone 5 sold 6 million in one weekend.
The iPhone sales for the opening weekend were 5 Million.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012...e-Million.html
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:42
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Then you're out of luck.

I just wanted to check it wasn't as simple as you made out.

Although if it "obviously isn't", I'm not sure why you posted what you did, suggesting that it was.

Is that how this rolls - you like to post stuff about Apple that "obviously isn't" the case?
Good god man. Grow up and stop over analysing things....

Its not as simple as that obviously but they are still a few of the many reasons..
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Old 23-05-2013, 20:47
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Without it being a pissing contest, is 10m S4s in a month good?
The Galaxy S took 7 Months to reach 10 Million sales.

The Galaxy S2 took 5 months to reach 10 Million sales.

The Galaxy S3 took 2 months to reach 10 Million sales.

The Galaxy S4 took 1 month to reach 10 Million sales.

That is why Apple are worried and reaching for their lawyers. Thats a huge loss of potential iPhone sales. While other companies would just get on with it Apple prefer patent trolling.

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/25...t_Samsung.aspx
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Old 23-05-2013, 22:09
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I must be missing something then. You make it sound like the lawsuits are a very recent thing, and the reason is the strong sales of the S3 and S4. And yet (rightly or wrongly) they started around the release of the S2. So the timeline doesn't back up your theory.

It's also odd that initial sales of the S4 have been widely reported as roaring success, whilst initial sales of the iPhone 5 were widely reported almost as a failure.
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Old 23-05-2013, 22:14
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Good god man. Grow up and stop over analysing things....

Its not as simple as that obviously but they are still a few of the many reasons..
Over analysing? There really wasn't much analysis.

I'm not the one posting cheap one line spin that obviously isn't true.
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Old 23-05-2013, 22:15
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I must be missing something then. You make it sound like the lawsuits are a very recent thing, and the reason is the strong sales of the S3 and S4. And yet (rightly or wrongly) they started around the release of the S2. So the timeline doesn't back up your theory.

It's also odd that initial sales of the S4 have been widely reported as roaring success, whilst initial sales of the iPhone 5 were widely reported almost as a failure.
The Galaxy S was a modest success. It was probably flew under Apples radar. So it does in fact back up my theory nicely actually.

iPhone 5 sales while not a failure by any means, but they haven't been as big as Apple had hoped for.
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Old 23-05-2013, 22:18
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I must be missing something then. You make it sound like the lawsuits are a very recent thing, and the reason is the strong sales of the S3 and S4. And yet (rightly or wrongly) they started around the release of the S2. So the timeline doesn't back up your theory.

It's also odd that initial sales of the S4 have been widely reported as roaring success, whilst initial sales of the iPhone 5 were widely reported almost as a failure.
It's a failure for Apple who have had a 3 year head start over Samsung, yet the S3 managed to outsell the iPhone, and now the S4 is selling very well...

It's very dubious that Apple has singled out and roped Samsung AND the S4 into a lawsuit about Google Now. A decision no-one has tried to defend yet. I wonder why.
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