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Is Poetry a Dead Art? (Part 4)
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mr. mustard
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by archiver:
“SET MUSTY FREE.
Take me instead. ”

Who knows John, there could be a poets' get-together one day

Originally Posted by archiver:
“Final Encounter.”

This felt as if it was about death and as such I'm glad it had a positive feel to it amid the fears. Another thought-provoking poem John
mr. mustard
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by archiver:
“Strange Charm.
How sad to live in fear
of each other. That's weird.”

Indeed - the Existentialists tackled the human condition but no one seems able to answer the really big questions. What are we here for is a biggie. Your poetry often revolves around these existential issues John, that's why I like them so much
mr. mustard
13-08-2013
That's me up to date, every new poem read and commented on I may have to re-post oldies for now, because I'm busy transferring the Avebury poems from my notebook to the computer. We haven't heard from Frank for a while, I hope he's alright
Biz
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“We haven't heard from Frank for a while, I hope he's alright ”

Yes, the same thought had occurred to me. He isn't usually absent for such a long time.
Justmadeit
13-08-2013
.......Question more... (on the hideous arms trade and wars )


Provocation promotes thought

but being docile brings nought

gotta question what media taught

your freedom can't be bought


The arms trade

'British made'

sell to anyone

if the price is right


Just keep it quiet

men without conscience make and buy it

promote their evil wares

for children killed in wars...

.farnborough 'arms' not 'fair'


we have cluster bombs for sale

anti personnel mines

a lovely shiny gun or two

anything for a price


Just don't ask them what they're used for

arms trade don't like questions

dead bodies you mustn't mention


A website to check out some more

'Iraqi veterans against the war'

They changed their minds coz of what they saw


So called 'educated men'

went to the finest schools

they send your sons to die

'ours in not to question why'


Osama the zero

Obama the hero

in the land of god and guns


Billions spent on war

and arms but not the poor

as another life is lost


Drape the body in the stars and stripes

the union jack

they tell you you're a hero

but you won't be coming back.
mr. mustard
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by Biz:
“Yes, the same thought had occurred to me. He isn't usually absent for such a long time.”

Maybe he's having a long break Biz

Originally Posted by Justmadeit:
“Drape the body in the stars and stripes
the union jack
they tell you you're a hero
but you won't be coming back.”

Great write Justmadeit and so true. The waste of life in Afghanistan continues without achieving a thing. Question More sums up the whole costly nightmare.
Justmadeit
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“

Great write Justmadeit and so true. The waste of life in Afghanistan continues without achieving a thing. Question More sums up the whole costly nightmare.”

Thanks
mr. mustard
14-08-2013
For Nimue

She alone could make
Poetry that turned a key,
Lady of the lake,
Through the nights you’re haunting me.

Yet I too must dwell
Where the lonely people go,
I live there as well,
Lost inside the undertow.

Saddened seas of bliss
Shift a secret that I keep,
All I know is this:
That her love was ocean-deep.


©
Biz
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“For Nimue

©”

Very romantic Musty. Did you write that for the poster Nimue of Avalon?
mr. mustard
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by Biz:
“Very romantic Musty. Did you write that for the poster Nimue of Avalon? ”

I did indeed Biz. She was a great loss to the thread. I don't think the poem's one of my best efforts, but it said what I wanted it to say.
mr. mustard
14-08-2013
The Welcoming Red Lion

It may not be a riddle
But it’s a funny thing,
The Red Lion’s in the middle
Of Avebury’s great ring.

A hostelry I favour
On Wiltshire’s stone age trail,
Together there I savour
Prehistory and ale.

The atmosphere is passive
Yet friendly all the time,
The fireplace is massive,
The loos are free of grime.

A sign has got my backing;
‘No Children In The Bar’,
Ergo tantrums are lacking
Along with screams that mar.

Another sign claims haunting
Occurs around the place,
A potted history flaunting
The paranormal case.

A woman known as Florrie
Was shot by her cruel spouse,
Dressed all in white and sorry
She floats around the house.

The pyramids and Zion
Possess no equal hub,
The welcoming Red Lion
In Avebury, what a pub!


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mr. mustard
14-08-2013
That was a preview of one of the lighter poems in the Avebury book. We got some great pictures of the Red Lion too The John Aubrey limerick has now been dropped, even though I posted it here some time ago.
Biz
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“The Welcoming Red Lion

©”

I remember you mentioning the Red Lion before, and I'm sure when they read your tribute you'll be a very welcome guest there. I notice you've even managed to include the "on trend" word "hub".

I hope Nimue managed to read her poem.
archiver
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“The Welcoming Red Lion”

Ah! Now I'm convinced. Welcome back Musty.

What a recommendation! Worth a free pint or two any time you visit? Should be.

Many thanks for the comments on my stuff. Hadn't realised it was so many. Some were written while this 'roller coaster clown' wore his saddest face. But he's OK now and standing on tiptoe, right at the front juggling cats.
mr. mustard
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by Biz:
“I notice you've even managed to include the "on trend" word "hub". ”

I have no idea what's currently trending Biz and I only found out what trending meant recently

Originally Posted by archiver:
“ Welcome back Musty.

What a recommendation! Worth a free pint or two any time you visit? Should be. ”

Thanks John - I'm glad you're feeling better The Red Lion's a smashing pub and sometimes bikers congregate at Avebury for refreshment there. Just over the road from the B&B we stayed at is the Waggon & Horses, another fine boozer. Charles Dickens knew it and put it in The Pickwick Papers with another name.
archiver
15-08-2013
On Purpose.

I didn't mean to do it.
I am an accident.
I simply had no clue it
was not what was meant.

I was trying to be someone
who simply tells the truth.
(Someone without a gun
for every wide eyed youth.)

And now I'm told I'm nothing
compared to their god.
That sure is something
very very odd.

To imagine such greatness
Man is nothing at all -
is the opposite of weightless
and precedes the new fall?
mr. mustard
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by archiver:
“On Purpose.
And now I'm told I'm nothing
compared to their god.”

Ey oop John, I had a feeling you'd posted in the early hours The questions you raise in the poem will never be resolved in my opinion. Man's belief or non-belief in God is always going to cause division. An interesting write again The Richard Dawkins thread is a good read - I think you've posted on there, if I'm not mistaken.
Biz
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“I have no idea what's currently trending Biz and I only found out what trending meant recently
”

Hahahaha. I first noticed it when some awful "fashion" outfit was being displayed on TV. I now find it's essential not to say "yes"; instead say "yeahyeahyeah" at the speed of sound. Also, what word did we use before "perpetrator" (or preferably "perp")? I'm sure I've only heard it quite recently peppering the air.
mr. mustard
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by Biz:
“I now find it's essential not to say "yes"; instead say "yeahyeahyeah" at the speed of sound.”

Or 'absolutely'
Biz
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by archiver:
“On Purpose.
”

Hi John. I gave up arguing about religion ages ago, as I don't think it's worth the upset.

It's simple isn't it. Religion was man made in different pockets scattered over the world, because man needed something to believe in which would protect him from the dangers which threatened, and give meaning to life.

There was someone around who thought up a way of harnessing these needs, to instil order. There is something comforting in the ceremonials of religion, and it gives people a sense of belonging, and adds order and structure to their lives.

Sadly almost every religion thinks theirs is the one, and mostly want to convert everyone else to theirs and some are willing to use force to try to achieve their aim.

It's hard to live without religious belief, but I'd say it's character building, though probably only once you've learned a bit about religions.

That's all.
Biz
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“Or 'absolutely' ”

True!
archiver
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“Ey oop John, I had a feeling you'd posted in the early hours The questions you raise in the poem will never be resolved in my opinion. Man's belief or non-belief in God is always going to cause division. An interesting write again The Richard Dawkins thread is a good read - I think you've posted on there, if I'm not mistaken.”

Thanks. No chance of resolution, agreed, but always a chance to compare the ways we think of our world and exclaim our concerns. I was about to say traffic both ways is good, but then I remembered that the penalty for apostasy is death, in some religions.

Originally Posted by Biz:
“Hi John. I gave up arguing about religion ages ago, as I don't think it's worth the upset.

It's simple isn't it. Religion was man made in different pockets scattered over the world, because man needed something to believe in which would protect him from the dangers which threatened, and give meaning to life.

There was someone around who thought up a way of harnessing these needs, to instil order. There is something comforting in the ceremonials of religion, and it gives people a sense of belonging, and adds order and structure to their lives.

Sadly almost every religion thinks theirs is the one, and mostly want to convert everyone else to theirs and some are willing to use force to try to achieve their aim.

It's hard to live without religious belief, but I'd say it's character building, though probably only once you've learned a bit about religions.

That's all. ”

So many have said similar (that they have stopped because the discussions are upsetting) and I may well have to do the same. Religious people have probably had thousands of very intelligent people working for many years to explain the intricacies which keep their beliefs intact, in the face of contradictory science. Coming back with claims of unlikeliness is no match for that 'wisdom'.

Wicked webs Biz.
mr. mustard
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by Biz:
“Religion was man made in different pockets scattered over the world, because man needed something to believe in which would protect him from the dangers which threatened, and give meaning to life. ”

Originally Posted by archiver:
“Thanks. No chance of resolution, agreed, but always a chance to compare the ways we think of our world and exclaim our concerns.”

For me it's always been a fascinating subject. I consider myself a religious person. I don't like labels but I guess most people would call me a pagan. Unlike Christianity and Islam, paganism doesn't have a revered prophet or a book to tell you how to live. And generally pagans don't try to convert others. These are just a few of its many positive aspects in my opinion
mr. mustard
15-08-2013
Tintagel,Tintagel

Tintagel, Tintagel, your heights are still bearing
The psychic remainders of some alchemy,
I stood on you thrilled by the shoreline while staring
Out at the horizon where winds tend to be
Remarkably violent and spend their time tearing
Your ragged peninsula down by the sea.

The Dark Ages vanished and they were succeeded
By Normans who built the great castle on high,
Yet now it's abandoned, a ruin unheeded
Except for the pilgrims who visit like I,
Aware of the magic that Albion needed
And how the spells Merlin performed never die.

I wanted to find you, I wanted to learn all
I could of the legends of King Arthur's Court
And though every storm brews a battle infernal,
When sunsets turn you to a tranquil red vault
Tintagel, Tintagel, then something eternal
Envelopes my soul in celestial thought.


©
archiver
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr. mustard:
“For me it's always been a fascinating subject. I consider myself a religious person. I don't like labels but I guess most people would call me a pagan. Unlike Christianity and Islam, paganism doesn't have a revered prophet or a book to tell you how to live. And generally pagans don't try to convert others. These are just a few of its many positive aspects in my opinion ”

I haven't known many who call themselves pagans, but I got a similar impression of them to a JW I worked with. Hugely dismissive of all other beliefs and non-belief and quite hierarchical within the system. They 'own' some great places though.

Maybe poetry is my religion.

Loved Tintagel, Tintagel. I adore the place too, although it's many decades since I was there. First time there I remember being more impressed by a 'spider web' pub, or house (misty memories). Never wilfully killed a spider since.

You got me with a sort of embedded rhyme in the first stanza. It registered as I read it, but I had to go back and look for it. Horizon/violent. Makes for a lovely lilt. Thanks again.

So many of yours I'd love to hear well spoken by a good voice. I think there's an element of performance which is obviously missing when we read the thread. John Cooper Clarke was well impressive, when I saw him live.
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