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Old 25-05-2013, 07:14
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Xbox One will monitor users' content viewing in a number of ways.

Microsoft's next-generation console has applied for a patent offering users Xbox 360-like achievements for watching specific content and adverts, reports Gamesindustry International.

The console's Kinect 2 will also employ DRM measures to prevent more people than the license allows viewing the content at one go, as per another patent filed last year.

If Kinect senses too many people in the room, it will prompt the users to upgrade the license.

"Television viewing tends to be a passive experience for a viewer, without many opportunities for the viewer to engage or have interactive experiences with the presented content," the application for the achievements reads.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/n...f-viewers.html

I'm trying to stay optimistic about this, I really am, but shit like this is getting harder and harder to defend....counting the number of people in a room incase you are infringing copyright is just insane.

The more I read about this the less I want one.

Admittedly, there are many good applications for the new Kinect, if it really is as good as MS make out, but shit like this isn't it. I know a lot of people who are paranoid about always on stuff like this is it is, do you really want something in your house that watches what brand of crisps you eat and pushes ads out to you?
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Old 25-05-2013, 09:04
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Brain dead suckers will still buy this console. MS will persuade people to put one of these things in their bedroom.
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Old 25-05-2013, 09:21
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So does this mean the cost of renting a movie will be priced by the amount of people watching?

1 person 3
2 people 4
3 people 5
Family pass 5.50

If true then the xbox one has been designed for the movie industry and the game developers. There shouldn't be any problems for MS getting exclusive content if sony doesn't follow suit, but will there be anyone with a xbox one to buy the games/movies?

Well I will be buying one, I don't buy second hand games and I live buy myself
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Old 25-05-2013, 09:26
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Well I will be buying one, I don't buy second hand games and I live buy myself
In that case don't be watching porn on it with that camera pointing at you. MS might be renting that video to others
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Old 25-05-2013, 09:28
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Brain dead suckers will still buy this console. MS will persuade people to put one of these things in their bedroom.
I think the whole thing is a *urine take* myself cause isn't there privacy laws against this sort of stuff?

(They aren't allowed 2 monitor anything in ya home (especially where kids are involved) without permission)
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Old 25-05-2013, 09:43
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In that case don't be watching porn on it with that camera pointing at you. MS might be renting that video to others
I get the feeling that xbox porn will be the number one searched item on xbox every week. I think Kinect can see in the dark as well, there will just be no more me time anymore
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Old 25-05-2013, 10:15
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I think Kinect can see in the dark as well
It has Infrared capability - part of the mechanism by which it can see facial bloodflow changes to detect heart rate, so it can indeed see in the dark.
It means it can also see 'invisible' kinect codes too - so it could tell if you have a product with a kinect code on it, like a can of coke or pack of crisps with a hidden marker visible to it's IR and high-def sensor. You could find a character in a game actually speaking to you about something you have in front of you (while the system squirrels away shedloads of data about you for marketing!).
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Old 25-05-2013, 16:50
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A story on DS, taken from a story elsewhere, and based upon one of many patents applied for by MS, does not necessarily = the truth.

Still, this is another example of MS failing to understand how people would feel about this sort of thing and failing to understand the pace of today's media and how people speculate and scaremonger in the absence of concrete official information.
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Old 26-05-2013, 03:59
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I think the whole thing is a *urine take* myself cause isn't there privacy laws against this sort of stuff?

(They aren't allowed 2 monitor anything in ya home (especially where kids are involved) without permission)
Already been in touch with the MP about this, this breaks the DPA on so many levels.

And as for them getting a percentage of second hand game sales is a big FU towards the consumer, i have an xbox 360 and i leave it off for days at a time so there is no way i'm going to buy the disgustingly vile xbore one if it requires connection every 24hrs.


As for the bib thats a class action waiting to happen
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Old 02-06-2013, 22:04
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If I get an xbox one, the kinect will stay behind the tv in a foam coated box, but connected to the xbox if it's required to be plugged in, it ain't seeing or hearing jack squat in my gaff.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:28
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i have an xbox 360 and i leave it off for days at a time so there is no way i'm going to buy the disgustingly vile xbore one if it requires connection every 24hrs.

The whole point of the online check-in is so that the console can verify game ownership with MS, to prevent people from installing a disc, selling it, but continuing to play it off the HDD.

It would be utter nonsense for it to require you turn it on every day even if you don't want to actually use it. Far more logical that it performs an online check-in every x hours/days (24 is not confirmed) when you have it turned on anyway... If you leave it turned off for days/weeks, fine... When you do eventually turn it on, it'll need to check-in to ensure your disc IDs haven't been registered against someone else's account.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:48
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What worries me about this check in business is what happens if you cannot make a connection?

I lost my landline and broadband for 3 weeks last year thanks to BT - if the 24 hour check in turns out to be true and I was to have the same thing happen again in the future I assume my machine will refuse to work offline after 24 hours.

Same for people who take their console on holiday - better rent a caravan/cottage/tent with broadband or you won't be gaming in the evenings or when its chucking it down after all.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:24
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If I get an xbox one, the kinect will stay behind the tv in a foam coated box, but connected to the xbox if it's required to be plugged in, it ain't seeing or hearing jack squat in my gaff.
But will the console function if it can't see or hear you?

"Wait, who the f**k is playing with me? I'm blind and deaf! Noooooo!"

The whole point of the online check-in is so that the console can verify game ownership with MS, to prevent people from installing a disc, selling it, but continuing to play it off the HDD.
It would be utter nonsense for it to require you turn it on every day even if you don't want to actually use it. Far more logical that it performs an online check-in every x hours/days (24 is not confirmed) when you have it turned on anyway... If you leave it turned off for days/weeks, fine... When you do eventually turn it on, it'll need to check-in to ensure your disc IDs haven't been registered against someone else's account.
So why not just keep the same system as now. Verification from the disc and then play from HDD. If you open the tray the game stops.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:52
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Checking my emails, heard from my MP, she shares my concerns about the privacy issue and has written to some honcho who replied stating that even if its in the T&C's laid down by MS the DPA overrides any clauses relating to monitoring via kinect, basically its a class action waiting for a court date.
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Old 06-06-2013, 13:23
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Checking my emails, heard from my MP, she shares my concerns about the privacy issue and has written to some honcho who replied stating that even if its in the T&C's laid down by MS the DPA overrides any clauses relating to monitoring via kinect, basically its a class action waiting for a court date.
I'm trying to work out if you're serious or not.

Tell me, how does this differ from CCTV that you might put up in or outside of your house?

It doesn't. And that stuff gets recorded, this is just live monitoring written to volatile memory only.
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Old 06-06-2013, 14:26
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I'm trying to work out if you're serious or not.

Tell me, how does this differ from CCTV that you might put up in or outside of your house?

It doesn't. And that stuff gets recorded, this is just live monitoring written to volatile memory only.
The difference is clear inside your house is a private zone if you choose to add your own CCTV equipment
then fine but any monitoring devices added by outside agencies should never be encouraged
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Old 06-06-2013, 19:35
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The difference is clear inside your house is a private zone if you choose to add your own CCTV equipment
then fine but any monitoring devices added by outside agencies should never be encouraged
Err, what?

Where do you plan on putting your Kinect, out in the road?

It is in that same private setting, your home. You put the device there, anyone you invite into your house is going into the private room.

All this device does it recognise a person has entered the room, it isn't beaming that video image back to some mega-gallery of all the Kinects connected at that current time for someone at MS to jerk off to, just like someone at Google isn't rifling through all the Gmail emails chucking away as he selects the best ads to show beside it.
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Old 07-06-2013, 14:29
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Err, what?

Where do you plan on putting your Kinect, out in the road?
Ha Ha if i bought this XB1 i'd likely fall out with it pretty quick and leave the whole console out in the road
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Old 11-06-2013, 00:55
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I'm trying to work out if you're serious or not.

Tell me, how does this differ from CCTV that you might put up in or outside of your house?

It doesn't. And that stuff gets recorded, this is just live monitoring written to volatile memory only.
And what exactly is your position at MS?

Yes I'm serious as is my mp who is as concerned about the issue as I am, if a MacBook camera can be switched on and used to remotely record students in their own homes then its likely the Xbox can and will be used in such a way privacy is endangered.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:39
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What I want to know why are ms forcing the kinect on to us. They must be gaining something . And as for them not collecting data, I dont believe that for one second.
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Old 11-06-2013, 18:34
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The kinect can be turned off in settings.
The kinect monitoring you and charging you extra is not happening, it is FUD.
They might do some stuff around interactive adverts though - get points for watching an ad.
Why are they forcing kinect? Because to get developer support for kinect they have to guarantee the install base. With 360, kinect was optional so major titles like CoD didn't use it.
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Old 11-06-2013, 19:05
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Why are they forcing kinect? Because to get developer support for kinect they have to guarantee the install base. With 360, kinect was optional so major titles like CoD didn't use it.
I don't think gamers who play titles like COD have any interest in Kinect to start with though.


I'd also suggest that the bigger reason Kinect didn't get used in big games is because the majority of 360 owners don't want it. If they did they would have brought it on the 360 & the increased Kinect sales would have seen developers more inclined to use it.


The fact the mandatory Kinect requirement on the XB1 has gone down so badly with gamers, Including many fans of the xbox platform speaks volumes for exactly what the xbox gamers think of Kinect.
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Old 11-06-2013, 19:25
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Worth repeating. Microsoft's 2010 promotion to investors of kinect's "potential" uses.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/m...-might-tailor/
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Old 16-06-2013, 15:21
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/n...f-viewers.html

The console's Kinect 2 will also employ DRM measures to prevent more people than the license allows viewing the content at one go, as per another patent filed last year.

If Kinect senses too many people in the room, it will prompt the users to upgrade the license.


Who would want such a diabolical contraption in their home?!
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Old 16-06-2013, 15:26
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It's quite obviously an Illuminati sponsored tool to bring about the every-impending Orwellian future and enslavement of humanity as a whole.
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