Voting to save is not exciting enough.
Bring back VOTING to EVICT in new series
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Okay vote out all the interesting people at the start and then complain when we have boring people like Luke A in the final week.
This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
The forum has made up its mind. And so has channel 5. Vote to save is superior in all ways.
OP your silly comment about vote to save not being exciting enough is ridiculous !
Back in the evict days we always knew who was going ! Now its changed to vote to save it has made almost every eviction unpredictable . therefore its far more exciting.
There is absolutely no way they would ever bring back negative voting, it would kill the show stone dead.
This argument has been done to death now its getting tiresome.
Originally Posted by Digital Sid;66069191[B:
“]This place needs to make up it's mind about this[/b], every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
“]This place needs to make up it's mind about this[/b], every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
Originally Posted by JayPee86:
“The forum has made up its mind. And so has channel 5. Vote to save is superior in all ways.
OP your silly comment about vote to save not being exciting enough is ridiculous !
Back in the evict days we always knew who was going ! Now its changed to vote to save it has made almost every eviction unpredictable . therefore its far more exciting.
There is absolutely no way they would ever bring back negative voting, it would kill the show stone dead.
This argument has been done to death now its getting tiresome.”
“The forum has made up its mind. And so has channel 5. Vote to save is superior in all ways.
OP your silly comment about vote to save not being exciting enough is ridiculous !
Back in the evict days we always knew who was going ! Now its changed to vote to save it has made almost every eviction unpredictable . therefore its far more exciting.
There is absolutely no way they would ever bring back negative voting, it would kill the show stone dead.
This argument has been done to death now its getting tiresome.”
This place doesn't need to make up it's mind, because it doesn't have one mind. People will always have different opinions, that's the point. Why should everyone agree?
And if it's tiresome, you only have yourself to blame for entering threads on the subject.
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“This place doesn't need to make up it's mind, because it doesn't have one mind. People will always have different opinions, that's the point. Why should everyone agree?
And if it's tiresome, you only have yourself to blame for entering threads on the subject.”
“This place doesn't need to make up it's mind, because it doesn't have one mind. People will always have different opinions, that's the point. Why should everyone agree?
And if it's tiresome, you only have yourself to blame for entering threads on the subject.”
Calm down Deirdre !
I'm just saying the general consensus is the vote to save is superior.
And I have to enter into the thread because I can't help myself
I don't think its as simple as either vote to evict or vote to save, as neither are perfect all the time, the ideal solution is to be flexible and use both. In my opinion and as a general rule, while vote to evict is the classic method, the more hms that are up the more vote to save becomes the right choice when they do an all up it should be to save for example but when it is 2 or 3, then evict is better.
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“I don't think its as simple as either vote to evict or vote to save, as neither are perfect all the time, the ideal solution is to be flexible and use both. In my opinion and as a general rule, while vote to evict is the classic method, the more hms that are up the more vote to save becomes the right choice when they do an all up it should be to save for example but when it is 2 or 3, then evict is better.”
“I don't think its as simple as either vote to evict or vote to save, as neither are perfect all the time, the ideal solution is to be flexible and use both. In my opinion and as a general rule, while vote to evict is the classic method, the more hms that are up the more vote to save becomes the right choice when they do an all up it should be to save for example but when it is 2 or 3, then evict is better.”
The whole Nicki Grahame debacle would never have happened it we had vote to save back in the day !
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“I don't think its as simple as either vote to evict or vote to save, as neither are perfect all the time, the ideal solution is to be flexible and use both. In my opinion and as a general rule, while vote to evict is the classic method, the more hms that are up the more vote to save becomes the right choice when they do an all up it should be to save for example but when it is 2 or 3, then evict is better.”
“I don't think its as simple as either vote to evict or vote to save, as neither are perfect all the time, the ideal solution is to be flexible and use both. In my opinion and as a general rule, while vote to evict is the classic method, the more hms that are up the more vote to save becomes the right choice when they do an all up it should be to save for example but when it is 2 or 3, then evict is better.”
Agreed, vote to save/ evict are the same thing in 1v1 situations.
Maybe it's time to switch the format, week one should have no elimination, let us get used to the HMs. Have the next two weeks "anyone nommed is up" and VTS, then having the "those with the most" and VTE.
But most of all, NO twist noms, and NO F&F noms.
Originally Posted by dswolf:
“Voting to save is not exciting enough.”
“Voting to save is not exciting enough.”
Vote to evict is dreadful, the public just gang up on a person, it should always be vote to save but with a minimum of 3 each time or of course more.
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
If they want to keep vote to save then they need to have three as a minimum up. Otherwise they might as well just scrap it and go back to vote to evict.
The other, and more unrealistic option, would be to combine both vote to save and vote to evict. They did it in one of the international BBs.
Originally Posted by JayPee86:
“The whole Nicki Grahame debacle would never have happened it we had vote to save back in the day !”
“The whole Nicki Grahame debacle would never have happened it we had vote to save back in the day !”
Indeed thats why i said it should be vote to save when its all (or nearly all as was the case then) up
Originally Posted by Gwaed Waedlyd:
“Okay vote out all the interesting people at the start and then complain when we have boring people like Luke A in the final week.”
“Okay vote out all the interesting people at the start and then complain when we have boring people like Luke A in the final week.”
Luke A would have been in the final week whatever system of voting you had, unless it was 'this week is vote to evict, and the only person up is Luke A'. He was top of the polls in the first week and came top of every eviction vote he was in.
Originally Posted by Gwaed Waedlyd:
“Okay vote out all the interesting people at the start and then complain when we have boring people like Luke A in the final week.”
“Okay vote out all the interesting people at the start and then complain when we have boring people like Luke A in the final week.”
Luke was not boring!!
Vote to evict is just a negative vote and can ruin the series.
Look the good ones go at the start not because of a vote to evict or save..its because theres usually only 2 up so the controversial one will go almost always.
Vote to save can help the more interesting/controversial housemates IF BB comes to its senses and puts more than 2 HMs up every time.
If for example conor and deana were up at the start last year and it was a vote to evict then it would be a cert that deana would have gone because conor clearly had support given how many voted to save him and deana took a while to get in her stride.
If conor,deana and ashleigh were up in a vote to save then ashleigh would be likely to go..in a vote to evict i believe it would be deana gone with ashleigh fans joining forces with conor fans.
Never again do i want to see a vote to evict unless it has a 2nd option to vote to save as well.
This forum cried out to for a vote to save and the only reason it doesnt work is because they keep putting 2 up which in effect is a vote to evict.
Look the good ones go at the start not because of a vote to evict or save..its because theres usually only 2 up so the controversial one will go almost always.
Vote to save can help the more interesting/controversial housemates IF BB comes to its senses and puts more than 2 HMs up every time.
If for example conor and deana were up at the start last year and it was a vote to evict then it would be a cert that deana would have gone because conor clearly had support given how many voted to save him and deana took a while to get in her stride.
If conor,deana and ashleigh were up in a vote to save then ashleigh would be likely to go..in a vote to evict i believe it would be deana gone with ashleigh fans joining forces with conor fans.
Never again do i want to see a vote to evict unless it has a 2nd option to vote to save as well.
This forum cried out to for a vote to save and the only reason it doesnt work is because they keep putting 2 up which in effect is a vote to evict.
I've always preferred a Vote to Evict. It means the nastier HMs go. I'm convinced that if it was a VTE with the ABCD vote last year, then Conor would have gone. I don't agree with the argument that a VTE means that the good HMs go. To me, a good HM isn't one that's negative and goes around being nasty, bitchy, (etc).
If people however still can't properly agree, maybe they should do what I think a previous BB Aus series did and have VTE and VTS at the same time.
I don't know if this is how they did it, but maybe each HM should have a voting number as usual, and then after Emma Willis confirms whose number we have voted for, she then says, "Press 1 to evict, press 2 to save", and then we press the appropriate number.
If people however still can't properly agree, maybe they should do what I think a previous BB Aus series did and have VTE and VTS at the same time.
I don't know if this is how they did it, but maybe each HM should have a voting number as usual, and then after Emma Willis confirms whose number we have voted for, she then says, "Press 1 to evict, press 2 to save", and then we press the appropriate number.
If we had vote to evict last year then Deana wouldn't have made it to the final.
Vote to evict has caused more damage than good in the past.
Vote to evict has caused more damage than good in the past.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I've always preferred a Vote to Evict. It means the nastier HMs go. I'm convinced that if it was a VTE with the ABCD vote last year, then Conor would have gone. I don't agree with the argument that a VTE means that the good HMs go. To me, a good HM isn't one that's negative and goes around being nasty, bitchy, (etc).
If people however still can't properly agree, maybe they should do what I think a previous BB Aus series did and have VTE and VTS at the same time.
I don't know if this is how they did it, but maybe each HM should have a voting number as usual, and then after Emma Willis confirms whose number we have voted for, she then says, "Press 1 to evict, press 2 to save", and then we press the appropriate number.”
“I've always preferred a Vote to Evict. It means the nastier HMs go. I'm convinced that if it was a VTE with the ABCD vote last year, then Conor would have gone. I don't agree with the argument that a VTE means that the good HMs go. To me, a good HM isn't one that's negative and goes around being nasty, bitchy, (etc).
If people however still can't properly agree, maybe they should do what I think a previous BB Aus series did and have VTE and VTS at the same time.
I don't know if this is how they did it, but maybe each HM should have a voting number as usual, and then after Emma Willis confirms whose number we have voted for, she then says, "Press 1 to evict, press 2 to save", and then we press the appropriate number.”
The australian VTS VTE was becoming very complicated,especially when explaining the end result in terms of percentages..its a nice idea,id like to see it tried if UK could simplify it in the manner you sugest.
Just not to sure how the voting public would react.
Originally Posted by BBWorldWideFan:
“If we had vote to evict last year then Deana wouldn't have made it to the final.
Vote to evict has caused more damage than good in the past.”
“If we had vote to evict last year then Deana wouldn't have made it to the final.
Vote to evict has caused more damage than good in the past.”
When do you think Deana would have been evicted if it was a VTE? I think she would have gone to the final anyway because she did have a lot of support, which I think stemmed from the really bad treatment she was getting in the house.
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
“This place needs to make up it's mind about this, every single series on Channel 4 you had people calling for vote to save, they finally introduce it and everyone wants vote to evict back. Vote to save ad vote to evict, when there are less than 3 housemates up, is the same, when there are more vote to save is by far the better system, for one it favours the more notable and thus probably entertaining about housemate and for two it's less callable.”
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