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Best Freeview HD set-top boxes?
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Winston_1
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by mac2708:
“Just use Homeplugs”

No. Wire it to your router. Home plugs cause serious interference to your neighbours.

http://www.satcure.co.uk/accs/page22.htm#PLT
grahamlthompson
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by Winston_1:
“No. Wire it to your router. Home plugs cause serious interference to your neighbours.

http://www.satcure.co.uk/accs/page22.htm#PLT”

Mine don't affect my neighbours nor their ones don't affect me.

Don't think much of your English, or your perpesctive , what happened to may or might ?.

Out of the millions in use a tiny tiny percentage actually cause any problems.
gomezz
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Deletion of a programme you have just watched takes 4 presses via opt + (opt+ OK left OK) , and 4 via the OK button.”

Depends where you are starting from. I was starting from watching live TV. You are starting from having the programme already selected in the Media list, that way, other boxes do it in two (or even one if you turn off delete confirmations) key presses.

One thing you can't do while a programme is being deleted "in the background" is select another programme for deletion. That is a whole other faff to go into the file manager to select all you want to delete and wo betide if you miss one out.
grahamlthompson
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Depends where you are starting from. I was starting from watching live TV. You are starting from having the programme already selected in the Media list.

One thing you can't do while a programme is being deleted "in the background" is select another programme for deletion. That is a whole other faff to go into the file manager to select all you want to delete and wo betide if you miss one out.”

How many pvrs do you know that can identify what you want to delete without first selecting either the complete folder or individual episodes ?

Including this essential step is pretty daft. You could of course remove the final are you sure confirmation. Not a good idea on a Linux EXT3 FS, unlike Windows the file really is deleted. There's no chance of a recycle bin. The CF for the HDR FOX T2 does have a recycle bin/undelete feature.

You can delete as many programmes as you want one after the other on a HDR FOX T2, HD FOX T2 or the HDR1000/1010S. On these models deletion takes place in the background. The only sign that the boxes are deleting is the gradual increase in the indicated free space on the HDD.

In addition the Freeview-HD boxes lets you delete a whole folder at a time, again you don't have to wait for the delete to complete before deleting more folders or individual episodes.

Your comment only applies to the 2008 Foxsat-hdr, as the thread was about the HDR FOX T2 it's completely inaccurate.

Only the Foxsat has the somewhat unwieldy File Manager option.
gomezz
05-06-2013
I am glad to hear they have learnt from some of their previous mistakes. True, my experience is based on using the 8000T, the old Fox STB, the Foxsat HDR and their current Youview box. Indeed it was my experience of the Foxsat which put me off getting the Fox T2 when we finally got Freeview HD in my region which demonstrates that mud sticks.

Still waiting for them to issue a fix for the EPG problem on the old Fox which makes it virtually unusable though ...
grahamlthompson
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I am glad to hear they have learnt from some of their previous mistakes. True, my experience is based on using the 8000T, the old Fox STB, the Foxsat HDR and their current Youview box. Indeed it was my experience of the Foxsat which put me off getting the Fox T2 when we finally got Freeview HD in my region which demonstrates that mud sticks.

Still waiting for them to issue a fix for the EPG problem on the old Fox which makes it virtually unusable though ...”

So you posted information in a thread clearly labelled Best Freeview-HD box based on a 2008 model Humax Freesat box without actually having any experience of the HDR FOX T2 pvrs. Talk about muddying the waters and posting biased and inaccurate information.

It's well documented the Youview box isn't a very capable pvr (down to Alan Sugars lot not Humax).
gomezz
05-06-2013
I was rebutting the assertion that Humax were the best make for usability which, based on my experience across a range of their products, is simply not true. And you were able to confirm that the asked for example I gave applies just as much to the specific model being discussed as to others in their range.
grahamlthompson
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I was rebutting the assertion that Humax were the best make for usability which, based on my experience across a range of their products, is simply not true. And you were able to confirm that the asked for example I gave applies just as much to the specific model being discussed as to others in their range.”

And your comment about not being able to delete anything else while an existing delete was under way. Did I dream that ?. It was incorrect and not relevant to the HDT FOX T2 in any way.

I don't believe there is a Freeview-HD pvr on the market that will match the HDR FOX T2 especially with the CF installed. If there is I would like to know which box it is ?
evil c
06-06-2013
OP, you enquired about Which? PVR recommendations, and against the criteria TV Service Received - Freeview HD, Receive and Record HD channels - Yes, Record 2 channels and watch a 3rd live - Yes, here are the results.

In 1st place and a Best Buy Humax HDR Fox T2 78%, 2nd Philips HDT8520 62%, 3rd YouView DTR-T1000 61%, 4th Icecrypt T2400 60%, 5th Digital Stream DHR8203U 48%, last place Bush Freeview+ HD Digital TV Recorder 44%.
Jameseh.
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by evil c:
“OP, you enquired about Which? PVR recommendations, and against the criteria TV Service Received - Freeview HD, Receive and Record HD channels - Yes, Record 2 channels and watch a 3rd live - Yes, here are the results.

In 1st place and a Best Buy Humax HDR Fox T2 78%, 2nd Philips HDT8520 62%, 3rd YouView DTR-T1000 61%, 4th Icecrypt T2400 60%, 5th Digital Stream DHR8203U 48%, last place Bush Freeview+ HD Digital TV Recorder 44%.”

Not one of those can record two while you watch another live.
evil c
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Jameseh.:
“Not one of those can record two while you watch another live.”

You are wrong.
chrisjr
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Jameseh.:
“Not one of those can record two while you watch another live.”

Don't know about the others but that is completely wrong about the Humax HDR Fox-T2 as I have personally recorded two channels and watched a third on it.
call100
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Jameseh.:
“Not one of those can record two while you watch another live.”

Why would you even post that nonsense....?
grahamlthompson
06-06-2013
Not only can you watch a third channel live you can also record it from the buffer after one of the two recordings finishes using a HDR FOX T2.

If both recordings are from the same mux then any 3rd channelis viewable (eg recording any pair of HD channels then any other channel can be viewed).

If from different mux then any channel on the same mux as either recording can be viewed.
gomezz
06-06-2013
The Youview box and the Digitalstream let you record two and watch a third.
1andrew1
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“The Youview box and the Digitalstream let you record two and watch a third.”

Indeed and all six do. evil c's post is quite correct and Jameseh's unsubstantiated challenge is erroneous.
gomezz
06-06-2013
In fact I have to go back to my old Humax 8000T for a PVR I have used that did not. But that model had the slight disadvantage of having only a single tuner.
grahamlthompson
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“In fact I have to go back to my old Humax 8000T for a PVR I have used that did not. But that model had the slight disadvantage of having only a single tuner. ”

The HD FOX T2 has only a single tuner but you can still watch a channel sharing a mux with the current recording.
Winston_1
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Mine don't affect my neighbours nor their ones don't affect me.

Don't think much of your English, or your perpesctive , what happened to may or might ?.

Out of the millions in use a tiny tiny percentage actually cause any problems.”

Maybe you and your neighbours are not using the frequencies affected.

However may or might does not come into it. Homeplugs cause your wiring to radiate interference which WILL affect anyone using those frequencies. This applies to all the millions in use. Just because many people are not using those frequencies does not change the laws of physics.
grahamlthompson
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Winston_1:
“Maybe you and your neighbours are not using the frequencies affected.

However may or might does not come into it. Homeplugs cause your wiring to radiate interference which WILL affect anyone using those frequencies. This applies to all the millions in use. Just because many people are not using those frequencies does not change the laws of physics.”

Indeed but you are making the exact point. WiFi is just the same, too many users in close proximity makes it harder to find a clear channel where performance isn't seriously compromised. I don't see you getting on your soap box about this

Others using the same frequencies do not have any more rights than anyone else. In the end in the remote possibility that problems are found then a solution isn't normally too hard to find.

For some hard wired connections are simply impractical.

I use DAB FM LW radio without any issues. The range of the potential interference is very small.

Virtually no RF frequencies are without potential interference possibilities. Quite why you pick on just one is very hard to understand We all have to share the available spectrum, what right have you to claim that a legally licensed and useful technology should not be used to protect a tiny tiny majority of others who may have problems.
The vast majority of users have no problems, give us all a break and and stop posting vastly exaggerated postings about the so called massive interference caused by homeplug devices.

It's patently absurb, the number of actual reported problems are miniscule compared to the technology take up. The very few that do may well require hard wired or other solutions.

I wonder how many of your neighbours have these which you don't know about.
call100
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Winston_1:
“Maybe you and your neighbours are not using the frequencies affected.

However may or might does not come into it. Homeplugs cause your wiring to radiate interference which WILL affect anyone using those frequencies. This applies to all the millions in use. Just because many people are not using those frequencies does not change the laws of physics.”

I'm surprised the UK Radio Hams haven't worked with manufacturers to resolve the problem as they did in the US. I suppose they'd just rather complain and expect someone to sort it for them over here.....
ixHellstormx
08-06-2013
Originally Posted by call100:
“Why would you even post that nonsense....?”

(A) He clearly hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
(B) He's looking for some kind of argument
(C) He's a moron.


*press the appropriate button to vote now*
call100
08-06-2013
Originally Posted by ixHellstormx:
“(A) He clearly hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
(B) He's looking for some kind of argument
(C) He's a moron.


*press the appropriate button to vote now* ”

Can I press all three?
TVPaulD
09-06-2013
My favourites are the TVonics by Pulse-Eight boxes and the Humax YouView box, which is even better paired with BT Vision.
captainkremmen
11-06-2013
Originally Posted by Jameseh.:
“Not one of those can record two while you watch another live.”

Rubbish.

My friends Humax and my Digitalstream both can do exactly that.

Indeed, as has been pointed out already, all of the boxes you mention can do the same thing.

Back to drawing board for you I reckon.
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