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Old 29-05-2013, 00:35
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This thread is NOT a Mac vs PC thread (please don't let it become one).

There are many articles out there about how wonderful Macs are and how they will change your life. What there isn't is good information about the downsides of OS X. Dotnetwill put it nicely when he said Windows has a set of pros and cons and so does OS X, it's up to you which you live with.

For those of us used to Windows and its pros and cons, it will be a nice opportunity for us to learn about the cons of OS X (and Mac hardware where it is experientially relevant in terms of using the software) from those people who have had regular and in depth use of OS X.
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Old 29-05-2013, 00:37
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Let me start off with some I have discovered:

1) In multi-monitor, the OS X menubar only exists on the primary monitor.

2) There is no delete key, only Fn+Backspace

Question: Is there an easy way to tell which programs are active and not (mainly for programs that are running but where their windows are shut)?
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Old 29-05-2013, 00:44
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Question: Is there an easy way to tell which programs are active and not (mainly for programs that are running but where their windows are shut)?
Off the top of my head progs that are running appear in the doc with a wee arrow pointing up under them. Similar to Windows with the taskbar.
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Old 29-05-2013, 01:10
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Let me start off with some I have discovered:

1) In multi-monitor, the OS X menubar only exists on the primary monitor.

2) There is no delete key, only Fn+Backspace

Question: Is there an easy way to tell which programs are active and not (mainly for programs that are running but where their windows are shut)?
2) only applies to some macs, nothing to do with OS X as some keyboards do have a dedicated del key btw

cmd + spacebar to popup spotlight then type act which will bring up activity monitor the mac version of task manager

you can alter the filter to just show windowed apps running or all processes.

All the files are indexed on a mac disk so spotlight will pretty much find anything instantaneously eg cmd + spacebar then ter and enter will bring up the terminal for example.

I'll use this to start more or less any app thats not on the dock, as I don't like the fact that the app drawer takes up 1/3 of the screen, but not as bad as the windows 8 start page taking up the whole screen
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Old 29-05-2013, 01:24
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...with a wee arrow pointing up under them...
ETA: That was old school. I'm now on my Mac and running progs have a little light under them in the dock.
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Old 29-05-2013, 01:58
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I've never been a fan of Finder. But thankfully there are 3rd party options that are far more comprehensive.

Full screen mode on certain built in apps works terribly if you have multiple monitors. In some cases causing the other monitor to just go grey. Dashboard can also behave strangely with multiple monitors.
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Old 29-05-2013, 09:22
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2) only applies to some macs, nothing to do with OS X as some keyboards do have a dedicated del key btw

cmd + spacebar to popup spotlight then type act which will bring up activity monitor the mac version of task manager

you can alter the filter to just show windowed apps running or all processes.

All the files are indexed on a mac disk so spotlight will pretty much find anything instantaneously eg cmd + spacebar then ter and enter will bring up the terminal for example.

I'll use this to start more or less any app thats not on the dock, as I don't like the fact that the app drawer takes up 1/3 of the screen, but not as bad as the windows 8 start page taking up the whole screen
The "forward" delete isn't OS X but it is "Mac hardware that is experientially relevant".

Mred2000 came up with the answer about the programs in the dock having a light. If one had to launch activity monitor to see what applications are running then that would join the list as a con.

ETA: That was old school. I'm now on my Mac and running progs have a little light under them in the dock.
Thanks. I guess this only applies to applications pinned to the dock? In windows, any running application has an icon in the taskbar, is something similar true in OS X?
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Old 29-05-2013, 09:36
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Whilst exploring Intel quick sync recently i discovered that Apple wont open up the API.

So there are no third party tools that take advantage of quick sync on OSX and video conversion takes 10-20x longer than it need do.

I bet this is not the only example.
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Old 29-05-2013, 09:42
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Whilst exploring Intel quick sync recently i discovered that Apple wont open up the API.

So there are no third party tools that take advantage of quick sync on OSX and video conversion takes 10-20x longer than it need do.

I bet this is not the only example.
Thanks. This is an interesting one as many video editor types will use an elgato turbo stick for encoding video to h.264 which is exclusively available for Macs.

Would use of Intel Quick Sync have made such a stick redundant?
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Old 29-05-2013, 09:59
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Thanks. This is an interesting one as many video editor types will use an elgato turbo stick for encoding video to h.264 which is exclusively available for Macs.

Would use of Intel Quick Sync have made such a stick redundant?
I have never heard of that. but QS, in it's latest form produces good quality h264 in a fraction of the time. like a minute or two for an sd movie.

Apple do use it themselves. a mate of mine has a new i7 MBP and they use it for the screen mirroring to other devices like the apple TV. so it's encoding something like 2550x1600 video at 60fps and it doesn't touch the sides, like you literally can't tell it's doing anything.
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:04
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In windows, any running application has an icon in the taskbar, is something similar true in OS X?
Yep, similarly in OSX, you can have stuff pinned in the dock but anything running also appears in the dock to the right of everything else.
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:07
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Thanks. I guess this only applies to applications pinned to the dock? In windows, any running application has an icon in the taskbar, is something similar true in OS X?
If you run a program that is not on the Dock normally it's icon will appear on the Dock temporarily. And if you minimise a running window it too appears on the Dock.
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:30
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or if you want a list look at 'force quit' in the apple menu
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:47
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The "forward" delete isn't OS X but it is "Mac hardware that is experientially relevant".

Mred2000 came up with the answer about the programs in the dock having a light. If one had to launch activity monitor to see what applications are running then that would join the list as a con.



Thanks. I guess this only applies to applications pinned to the dock? In windows, any running application has an icon in the taskbar, is something similar true in OS X?
Sorry but it's totally illogical to say there is no delete key for OS X, that is specific to hardware, but you can say that a mac book pro laptop keyboard doesn't have a dedicated delete key.

The con that most people coming from the windows world take a while to get used to is the maximise button, which doesn't necessarily maximise the window. the idea is that it maximises the content according to context and it's up to the application to decide how to resize itself.
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:49
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Sorry but it's totally illogical to say there is no delete key for OS X, that is specific to hardware, but you can say that a mac book pro laptop keyboard doesn't have a dedicated delete key.

The con that most people coming from the windows world take a while to get used to is the maximise button, which doesn't necessarily maximise the window. the idea is that it maximises the content according to context and it's up to the application to decide how to resize itself.
The maximise thing - i think this was a problem for ex windows users when we were running windows on lower res displays. now we're all on 1080p monitors we are used to not running apps full screen.

do any apple keyboards come with a delete key?
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:01
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Yep, similarly in OSX, you can have stuff pinned in the dock but anything running also appears in the dock to the right of everything else.
If you run a program that is not on the Dock normally it's icon will appear on the Dock temporarily. And if you minimise a running window it too appears on the Dock.
What about applications that are:

a) running
b) have no windows open
c) not pinned to the Dock

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Old 29-05-2013, 11:02
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The maximise thing - i think this was a problem for ex windows users when we were running windows on lower res displays. now we're all on 1080p monitors we are used to not running apps full screen.

do any apple keyboards come with a delete key?
My iMac keyboard certainly did, although it's a few years ago.
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:04
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The maximise thing - i think this was a problem for ex windows users when we were running windows on lower res displays. now we're all on 1080p monitors we are used to not running apps full screen.

do any apple keyboards come with a delete key?
I reckon the vast majority of people are still running sub-1080p screens.

Isn't 1366x768 still the most common resolution on a Windows laptop? At work I have 1366x768 on my laptop, 1280x1024 on the external monitor and 1280x800 on my home laptop.

Most of my time is spent with maximised windows and the remainder with snapped windows. Never overlapping windows.

I do use non-maximised windows on my Dad's 23-inch 1080p monitors however but only one large hi-res monitors like those.

I refuse to buy another laptop with anything less than 1600x900.
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:06
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What about applications that are:

a) running
b) have no windows open
c) not pinned to the Dock

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Yes! They appear in the dock to the right of everything else and, if they're not pinned to the dock, will disappear once the prog has been quit. Sorry, I thought we'd made that clear...

do any apple keyboards come with a delete key?
My big Apple keyboard does, my little Apple keyboard doesn't
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:09
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Yes! They appear in the dock to the right of everything else and, if they're not pinned to the dock, will disappear once the prog has been quit. Sorry, I thought we'd made that clear...
I only asked because chris said about minimising windows as opposed to closing windows. (The default behaviour of closing all windows not quitting an application being unique to Mac).
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:12
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The maximise thing - i think this was a problem for ex windows users when we were running windows on lower res displays. now we're all on 1080p monitors we are used to not running apps full screen.

do any apple keyboards come with a delete key?
Yes the standard 'big' apple keyboard with numeric key pad does
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:15
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What about applications that are:

a) running
b) have no windows open
c) not pinned to the Dock

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the Icon AFAIK will appear temporarily in the dock. I can't remember what happens if the dock overflows
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:28
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I only asked because chris said about minimising windows as opposed to closing windows. (The default behaviour of closing all windows not quitting an application being unique to Mac).
Sorry, didn't mean to be short tempered, didn't get much sleep.

Yeah, minimized windows also appear in the dock... as well as the progs that are running. If a window is actually closed then just the prog will appear in the dock.

Basically, all* running progs will appear in the dock whether they're pinned or not.



*waiting for someone to come along and say that 'not' all progs necessarily appear in the dock but I'm not counting stuff like Little Snitch/firewall type stuff and DropBox etc...
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Old 29-05-2013, 12:09
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The main one i come across is the price for spares....can remember looking at a PSU for an old PPC machine and they wanted 200 and the old PSU as well and these days getting into some of the machines to swap out the part can be as much of a pain as the fruity one loves inventing new screwheads so Applecare is essential these days (along with flogging it just before the Applecare expires )
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Old 29-05-2013, 12:14
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The main one i come across is the price for spares....can remember looking at a PSU for an old PPC machine and they wanted 200 and the old PSU as well and these days getting into some of the machines to swap out the part can be as much of a pain as the fruity one loves inventing new screwheads so Applecare is essential these days (along with flogging it just before the Applecare expires )
Indeed, two of the old bulky, plastic laptops in the house have been either upgraded or saved by being able to easily open them and replace components. (RAM and HDD upgrades).

But whatever device I buy next will be thin, lightweight and portable and thus not user-replaceable. Good tip about selling just before Applecare expiry - but surely buyers aren't mugs and you have to adjust your price accordingly anyway?
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