Lol, the irony. Ashleigh was a foul mouthed, skanky fishwife!

I was going to add something to my post about Nikki but ended up deleting most of it without realizing and now I cant edit to add it back Ah well at least it is quoted here!

What I was going to add was that Nikki's dislike of Aisleyne was worsened when Nikki came out the house as she was saying pretty harsh things about Ash in the HND. I imagine there were a few interviews etc painting Aisleyne out to be worse than what she was and a threat to Nikki and Pete's relationship.

BB10 was a nasty series in general;I found it uncomfortable to watch at times,especially as I was aware we weren't getting the full picture from the House so were generally relying on the edit.

Sophie managed to win because she distanced herself from Kris reasonably early on and kept her head down.

Sadly, it wasn't just about Rachel and Darnell.

With Luke, (and this is something I've recently thought of), as well as his frequent "hundred gwand" comments, but also him saying that people had gameplans, I think it's because he was guilty of it himself. Because he wanted the prize money and had a gameplan, he was convinced that others were like it too. Jeremy Kyle has referred to something like this on his shows, where some guests have previously cheated on their partner, and that makes them paranoid that their partner is now cheating on them.

I've been looking for that scene for years. i remember Mikeys hilarious reaction and i need to see it again

The opinion that Luke a was the nastiest and most hurtful housemate in the entire 13 series seems plain silly to me. Who were his distressed victims? Why did they never realize that he was hurting their feelings? Did he anaesthetise them first? Why do you think that Luke S, afterwards, said that he was "a nice lad" but that they just didn't get on? Why do you think Sheivonne said he had "really saved me"? Why do you think Ashleigh said "he's probably the nicest person in here"? Were they all utterly deluded? Do you honestly think he hurt more peoples' feelings than Jade? Than Charley? Than Bea?


Of course not. They only see what they see and feel what they feel. In the case of BB13, with the single exception of Becky coming out to pick a fight with Luke and finding out that he was not going to roll over, there was not one single time when a housemate was hurt by him. So your perceptions are 100% yours, and have nothing to do with anything that actually happened in the house.


In this case there is the perception of those actually in the house, the perception of almost everyone watching BB (some of whom found Luke boring, some of whom found him loveable, but none of whom found him the nastiest housemate ever) and there are your perceptions, which are exclusive to you. Since you are refusing to justify them, I feel entitled to regard them as nothing but ridiculous and inexplicable prejudice.

I recall Luke A having a nasty side to him in the first few weeks when he bitched about the other Luke for no reason at all. From what we was giving the other Luke didn't do or say anything bad to Luke A but Luke A was a coward and just bitched about him for weeks without having the guts to go sort the problem out. I get the two might not off had anything in common but even on night one Luke A was quick to make his mind up on Luke S without giving him a chance. Someone mentioned Luke S as a nasty person which is shocking as he hardly done anything nasty.

I cant recall because I stopped watching early on last season but I think the two Luke's had a talk to talk in the end, but it was a few weeks into the show so I was disappointed it took Luke A that long to go talk to other Luke.

Look at bbarchivefullepisode on YouTube. They've uploaded several BB series in full, including BB9.

a) He didn't say much about Luke; he was annoyed at being talked over and interrupted, which we got not from Luke A but from Sheivonne and Ashleigh. I'm pretty sure that counts as a reason. I can't understand what is the motivation behind a few people so massively exaggerating how hostile Luke A was to Luke S in a house where several housemates were much, much more hostile and bitchy. Why, one wonders, do people single out Luke for a small number of angry remarks, and fail to notice the kind of thing that Conor constantly said about Deana, Caroline and Ashleigh about Lauren? Could there possibly be some other reason why Luke A is judged 1000 times more severely?

b) Luke A was a much less confident person than Luke S, and it was clearly hard for him to approach him to sort things out, but he did do so, which I thought was rather brave; having done so, he never said anything against him again, never nominated him again (unfortunately Luke S nominated him every time, but he couldn't know that) and was noticeably compassionate and kind to him after the white room, while Ashleigh barely seemed to care.

refusing to justify them? haha have you lost your memory? we've had like at least 10 conversations on the subject in which i went into great detail in explaining myself on the matter, and there's many other times i've explained myself on the subject.

you forget so soon, how you said he absolutely never called anyone evil and it was proven he did? an example of one of our previous convos.

no, there's your opinion (perspective/perception) and mine... the big difference being i seem to be ok with you having your opinion, i don't try and wipe out your opinion every time you speak on it.. i completely realize that you think luke-a is without fault and that's ok with me.
we've already been down this road before, not going to go down it again.

Luke A has been mentioned. I watched a video on YouTube the other day when Becky and him had that chat in the garden with Scott and Adam looking on. And he didn't give a hoot what Becky thought and although I wasn't a big fan of Becky at all and found her to be rather manipultiative like when she hated Conor and then got on with him.

But Luke A did come across as some one who wasn't as nice as we might think but the competition wasn't the best in terms who could win it.

Perhaps if Lauren had lasted longer, then she might have won it because she is a lovely person.

You actually think Luke A was worse than Donor? I can't be having that. He did have a.mean streak in him but not on the same planet as Conor.

Stuart in BB2 and Derek in BB6 were both sly and despicable. There are plenty more I could choose as well!

The reason why things picked up pace so dramatically in the BB3 house was due to pre-existing tensions from the audition process.
One thing people tend to forget about Elizabeth was that she thought she was a bit better than everyone else. She seemed to enjoy any opportunity to be condescending.

Grace - BB7
Sezer - BB7
Alexandra - BB9
Stuart - BB9
Dale - BB9
Rebecca - BB8
Dennis - BB9
Noirin - BB10
Caoimhe - BB11
Anton - BB12
Aden - BB12
Arron - BB13
Science - BB6
Maxwell - BB6
Stuart - BB5
Victor -BB5

I thought that incident was the one time Luke A looked a winner to me. He didn't start the argument, Becky was all "Right I'm gonna sort him out", and stormed to the garden looking for a fight. IMO she got her comeuppance.

I'd say apart from the obvious, Conor being one of the worst HMs ever, and all of them being pretty mean, the one that stood out in the mean stakes for me was Scott. He couldn't wait to go tell one group what the others had said about them. There's something about the slyness that annoys me.

It's also been mentioned on here many times that Luke Scrase had no respect for Luke Anderson's ability as a professional chef, convinced that he knew more about catering and ordering provisions for large numbers of people with differing tastes.

Then there is the fact that, according to Luke Anderson's own words, Luke Scrase would offer to help him work out the day before nominations then once nominations were over virtually ignore him for the rest of the week.

So the animosity, such as it was, was definitely not without foundation.

Stewart BB2
Jade BB3/CBB5
Lesley BB6
Craig BB6
Derek BB6
Richard BB7
Grace BB7
Bea BB10
Caroline BB13
Conor BB13

Never liked Alex but I can't remember him being nasty to Sophie, Tim was quite a bit though.

I found Luke S pretty forgettable apart from his showmance with the easiest and most deranged 'bird' in the house.Plus of course his tears at being betrayed by his 'best mate' Conor and then there was his 2min and 13 seconds adventure over Trashleighs belly.Actually I suppose he did have his moments! (literally)

As far as Luke A goes he did make this comment about Becky -'respects him as much as she respects her BMI'.

Which is clearly an observation based in truth.
A.) She didn't respect him
B.) She didn't respect her BMI -being as her audition tape more or less says 'watch out I'm a jolly old fatty and I will eat all the pies and entertain you all with my wobbly antics'

All in all in a series so jam packed with vile characters Luke A was probably ,along with Adam and Lauren the least offensive by a long march.

Oooh yes! Stuart from BB2 I remember him he was a really arrogant business man who thought he was a cut above,nasty piece of work.

No, the big difference is that mine is based on the actual Luke A and yours is based on some fictional creation that does not resemble him in the least. And nothing will convince me that anyone could even 1% justify saying he was the meanest and nastiest housemate of 13 series. That just is plain silly. Of course I don't think he was without fault, I just think he was a decent and likeable person, which he was and is.

Why would she? He beat her in a one to one. There was no reason why anyone who had voted for him then would have stopped voting for him later. He is also a lovely person, and did a lot to support Lauren, far more than she did to support him. I'm sure she would admit that herself. I'm not getting at her: he was 10 years older, and it was right for him to help her through it all. But that is what he did.

Mikey BB9 - his mean-spirited side occasionally came through.

But the two who really get me (mainly because they are almost revered for their nastiness) are Richard (BB7) and Marcus (BB10).

Lesley BB6 - she didn't know how to express her chip on her shoulder about Sam without being as nasty as possible. I was thinking 'get a grip, girl'.

Conor BB13 - the look of sheer hatred in his eyes and in his tone of voice was sometimes quite intimidating and perplexing.

Jason BB5 - he sat from the sidelines all bitter and envious, making harsh comments. He had tried to be an extreme housemate (claiming he's bisexual, wearing a thong ect) but then realized he couldn't compete with some of the other housemates and was nursing his wounded ego and pride. As was said on the psychology show - the men are making over two-thirds of the bitchy comments and Jason is the biggest 'bitch' in the BB house.

Tim (BB3) and his behaviour towards Sophie was very school playground - leave them out of the group while making mocking comments about them while they're in listening distance.
Plus I didn't like the bitching methods adopted by people like Grace BB7, Ben BB11, many of the BB6 housemates (lol) it got way too personal for my liking. It's okay to vent once in a while, but they went way overboard with an unattractive snarl thrown in. Plus it's not exactly a smart tactic because every housemate will see it when they get out and in the meantime everyone's friends and family can watch everything they say. Not particularly clever.

Someone like Jade BB3 I always felt she just didn't have the common sense to know what she was doing, though there's no excuse for her behaviour.
I think Nikki BB7 went too far in regards to Aisleyne. I don't know if that is what inspired Jayne to break the rules by reassuring Nikki of Aisleyne's portrayal in the outside world, or if it was Jayne who was fueling Nikki's paranoia.
Caroline BB13 had a rather strange way of making things personal. She'd be as horrible as possible and then laugh it off like she was a naughty child in class.

Ugh Anton,but he and Jay never disguised their horrible nature they wore it like a badge of honour.