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Leah - what a sourpuss
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Ray_Smith
29-05-2013
I know Zee was a bit annoying but she was a bit of a misery guts. If she cracked a smile it would be a miracle.

I tell you, I wouldn't want to go to her surgery. I'd leave feeling more miserable and ill than when I went in!
fireemblemcraze
29-05-2013
Leah was my favorite until this episode. What the hell came over her? She was completely right up until then! And then that whole sexism thing - I didn't agree with it all. Zee wasn't being sexist, if anything Leah was being a real bully and a bitch.
WhyHelloWorld
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“Leah was my favorite until this episode. What the hell came over her? She was completely right up until then! And then that whole sexism thing - I didn't agree with it all. Zee wasn't being sexist, if anything Leah was being a real bully and a bitch.”

That's ridiculous. We have seen Zee being a bit 'iffy' towards woman before this week, and posters have commented on it.

But calling Leah a bully is absolutely ridiculous.
fireemblemcraze
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by WhyHelloWorld:
“That's ridiculous. We have seen Zee being a bit 'iffy' towards woman before this week, and posters have commented on it.

But calling Leah a bully is absolutely ridiculous.”

He's been a bit iffy to some of the guys too, are you going to start saying he's being sexist to the guys too?

It's convenient to label anything you want as sexism. But it didn't seem anything like he was dismissing Natalie because she's a woman. Natalie didn't contribute to the task at all, that's why she was brought back in. At least Kurt does something. Natalie was great in Weeks 1 to 3 but she hasn't done anything noteworthy since her time as PM.

And I loved Leah from the start - she was my favorite to win - but she showed a really ugly rebellious side of her this week. And let's face it her attitude stank of uncooperativeness this episode. Every time Zee mentioned anything, Leah told him aggressively what she's going to do.
troynuncdicit
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“He's been a bit iffy to some of the guys too, are you going to start saying he's being sexist to the guys too?”

He's been iffy to Jason who isn't "a lad's lad" or whatever you wanna call it. Zee had a blatant boy's club mentality and a bias towards anyone with a Y chromosome and it bit him in the ass by not bringing the right people back, enough said.
j4Rose
29-05-2013
A good drinking game - someone on here uses "vile" or "bully" in a totally inappropriate way :yawn:

Zee was arrogant and a bit useless. Kurt messed up with the flag, so why wasn't he brought in? Natalie tried to do something in the car, but Zee dismissed her.

I'm not convinced about Leah. She does pout very well though
WhyHelloWorld
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“He's been a bit iffy to some of the guys too, are you going to start saying he's being sexist to the guys too?

It's convenient to label anything you want as sexism. But it didn't seem anything like he was dismissing Natalie because she's a woman. Natalie didn't contribute to the task at all, that's why she was brought back in. At least Kurt does something. Natalie was great in Weeks 1 to 3 but she hasn't done anything noteworthy since her time as PM.

And I loved Leah from the start - she was my favorite to win - but she showed a really ugly rebellious side of her this week. And let's face it her attitude stank of uncooperativeness this episode. Every time Zee mentioned anything, Leah told him aggressively what she's going to do.”

I believe the following post answers yours....

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit:
“He's been iffy to Jason who isn't "a lad's lad" or whatever you wanna call it. Zee had a blatant boy's club mentality and a bias towards anyone with a Y chromosome and it bit him in the ass by not bringing the right people back, enough said.”

mema32
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
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I'm not convinced about Leah. She does pout very well though ”

hopefully she will enter a pouting lips competition next year, her negative attitude together with grating accent, sealed her fate for me
tiggerspp
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by mema32:
“together with grating accent, sealed her fate for me ”

Yep, much rather listen to Luisa's lovely accent
fireemblemcraze
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by troynuncdicit:
“He's been iffy to Jason who isn't "a lad's lad" or whatever you wanna call it. Zee had a blatant boy's club mentality and a bias towards anyone with a Y chromosome and it bit him in the ass by not bringing the right people back, enough said.”

How do you know Jason isn't a lad's lad? Lads tend to like people with his sort of funny personality.

Natalie didn't contribute. Kurt contributed. It's as simple as that. Kurt made a mistake because he was actually doing something. Natalie also made the mistake. When Zee was on the phone about the proportions, if Natalie had a bit of sense she would have realized that the proportions were wrong. It wasn't just Kurt's fault. It was all three of their's really.

I'd rather have someone on my team who's doing something, made the odd mistake than someone who isn't doing anything at all!
troynuncdicit
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“How do you know Jason isn't a lad's lad? Lads tend to like people with his sort of funny personality.

Natalie didn't contribute. Kurt contributed. It's as simple as that. Kurt made a mistake because he was actually doing something. Natalie also made the mistake. When Zee was on the phone about the proportions, if Natalie had a bit of sense she would have realized that the proportions were wrong. It wasn't just Kurt's fault. It was all three of their's really.

I'd rather have someone on my team who's doing something, made the odd mistake than someone who isn't doing anything at all!”

Uh it's clear as day Jason isn't "one of the boys" if you can't see that you're blind. How masculine can someone be when they announce "clickity boo" as they're assembling a chair, come on now.

All Kurt contributed was an error. Even if Natalie piped up and corrected him do you think Zee really would've listened? No he would've dismissed her like he did all day, as far as he was concerned she's worthless. She didn't contribute but she wasn't detrimental like Kurt and Neil were so that's definitely worth something.
fireemblemcraze
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by troynuncdicit:
“Uh it's clear as day Jason isn't "one of the boys" if you can't see that you're blind. How masculine can someone be when they announce "clickity boo" as they're assembling a chair, come on now.

All Kurt contributed was an error. Even if Natalie piped up and corrected him do you think Zee really would've listened? No he would've dismissed her like he did all day, as far as he was concerned she's worthless. She didn't contribute but she wasn't detrimental like Kurt and Neil were so that's definitely worth something.”

What has masculinity got to do with being a lad's lad? As long as you're funny, they love it. We're not in 1980's Britain where cliques were separated based on athletic prowess into the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds/geeks. Humour goes a long way especially in Britain, which is why comedians here are so revered.

Anyway, the fact is that on the show we're watching Natalie didn't correct him. If Nat had corrected him and Zee dismissed that then don't you think that this show (which has already milked out the sexist angle thing) would milk it out even more by showing Zee actually properly dismissing Natalie even though she was right?

She wasn't detrimental because she did nothing the whole task. Kurt made the phone calls, bargained well and organized. Neil has been passionate since the process started. I think a businessman would rather invest with a person who's doing something and make a few mistake on the way than someone who's not. And do you honestly think Alan is basing his decisions off who failed in the task or rather who's business skills are the weakest??

And Kurt wasn't the biggest reason the task failed - his mistake costed this team around £40 more when they lost by £90. Even without his mistake - they would have still lost.

Do you honestly think from a business minded perspective that Kurt (someone who made a mistake but actually contributed to the task) should be brought back over someone like Natalie (who as well as overlooking Kurt's error, did not contribute to the task?).
Tracy_Klein
30-05-2013
I didn't like the way Leah acted to be honest, I had her for a more reasonable person. First she gets a tantrum because she wanted to be PM and she didn't. Then she is just rolling her eyes at Zee speaking on the phone when he's asking for explanations of why she didn't do as agreed (Which is a bit immature IMHO). She also refuese to pass the phone to (I think it was) Alex, which I don't think there's any problem with that, and still she did refuse.

Is it a good idea to go on a business with someone that goes all borderline when something is not as they wanted?
slick1two
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“He's been a bit iffy to some of the guys too, are you going to start saying he's being sexist to the guys too?

It's convenient to label anything you want as sexism. But it didn't seem anything like he was dismissing Natalie because she's a woman. Natalie didn't contribute to the task at all, that's why she was brought back in. At least Kurt does something. Natalie was great in Weeks 1 to 3 but she hasn't done anything noteworthy since her time as PM.

And I loved Leah from the start - she was my favorite to win - but she showed a really ugly rebellious side of her this week. And let's face it her attitude stank of uncooperativeness this episode. Every time Zee mentioned anything, Leah told him aggressively what she's going to do.”

I think Leah is done to be honest. This ugly side, probably reminds LS of Stella's recent behaviour. He's probably thinking a potential trouble maker, accusations, law suits etc, if she doesn't get her way.
troynuncdicit
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“What has masculinity got to do with being a lad's lad? As long as you're funny, they love it. We're not in 1980's Britain where cliques were separated based on athletic prowess into the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds/geeks. Humour goes a long way especially in Britain, which is why comedians here are so revered.

Anyway, the fact is that on the show we're watching Natalie didn't correct him. If Nat had corrected him and Zee dismissed that then don't you think that this show (which has already milked out the sexist angle thing) would milk it out even more by showing Zee actually properly dismissing Natalie even though she was right?

She wasn't detrimental because she did nothing the whole task. Kurt made the phone calls, bargained well and organized. Neil has been passionate since the process started. I think a businessman would rather invest with a person who's doing something and make a few mistake on the way than someone who's not. And do you honestly think Alan is basing his decisions off who failed in the task or rather who's business skills are the weakest??

And Kurt wasn't the biggest reason the task failed - his mistake costed this team around £40 more when they lost by £90. Even without his mistake - they would have still lost.

Do you honestly think from a business minded perspective that Kurt (someone who made a mistake but actually contributed to the task) should be brought back over someone like Natalie (who as well as overlooking Kurt's error, did not contribute to the task?).”

It has to do with the fact that he's the only other guy that Zee has given shit too. He looks up to Neil and Kurt (arguably the two most masculine) and always seeks their approval, it's pathetic really.

She didn't correct him, but would her correction even change things? Given Zee's treatment of her that we've seen, absolutely not.

Natalie didn't get the opportunity to do any of the stuff Kurt did because Zee wouldn't let her. And Neil's passion doesn't matter if he still messed up. Natalie's clearly shown her passion in the Boardroom the past two weeks.
LIZALYNN
30-05-2013
It is odd that Leah goes through all that training to become a doctor then switches to wanting to make money in the business world.
She came across as very aggressive from the start of that task. There is no way Lord Sugar will choose her for his Apprentice now.
Yvie123
30-05-2013
From what I've seen of Leah until now, her personality seemed to change completely in this week's task - she adopted that aggressive assertiveness that, to me, always seems just plain rude.
I thought at the time that Leah was setting out to deliberately sabotage Zee, but I've changed my view now and I think that she simply really disliked him even before the task began and came across as agressive because she was determined not to be sidelined. I think she found it hard to take orders from him and to keep her dislike in check but she did try to keep it professional; when Alex was getting sidetracked into a rant about Zee, she was more interested in focussing on the task, but when she got the chance to vent against him in the Boardroom, she took it.
I'm interested to see whether I'm right, and she comes across
as less agressive from here on, or whether she just felt the time
was right to step up her game, and it happened to coincide with Zee being PM.
jiroos
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by troynuncdicit:
“It has to do with the fact that he's the only other guy that Zee has given shit too. He looks up to Neil and Kurt (arguably the two most masculine) and always seeks their approval, it's pathetic really.”

Don't completely agree with this as Zee had a previous set-to with Neil over speaking on the phone in Week 1 (just after they did the cat litter deal).

I personally don't feel that Zee is sexist...but he does size everybody up before setting out to dominate those he feels are 'beneath' him in whatever way. 'Team player' does not register in his brain which is reason enough to be fired in my book.
whedon247
30-05-2013
appaling behavior in last episode, had an issue with zee and then accused him of having issues with her because shes a women!

hope shes gone soon
DiamondDoll
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by Ray_Smith:
“I know Zee was a bit annoying but she was a bit of a misery guts. If she cracked a smile it would be a miracle.

I tell you, I wouldn't want to go to her surgery. I'd leave feeling more miserable and ill than when I went in! ”

Originally Posted by mema32:
“ hopefully she will enter a pouting lips competition next year, her negative attitude together with grating accent, sealed her fate for me ”

Originally Posted by Tracy_Klein:
“I didn't like the way Leah acted to be honest, I had her for a more reasonable person. First she gets a tantrum because she wanted to be PM and she didn't. Then she is just rolling her eyes at Zee speaking on the phone when he's asking for explanations of why she didn't do as agreed (Which is a bit immature IMHO). She also refuese to pass the phone to (I think it was) Alex, which I don't think there's any problem with that, and still she did refuse.

Is it a good idea to go on a business with someone that goes all borderline when something is not as they wanted?”

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“appaling behavior in last episode, had an issue with zee and then accused him of having issues with her because shes a women!

hope shes gone soon”

What they've said.
Dreadful example of total lack of professionalism and I personally would have no problem in giving her a boot up the backside.
Imagine that being in the caring profession.
Swanandduck2
30-05-2013
Her behaviour was very disappointing this week. Up until then she had stood out among the girls as being calm and professional. But she was really aggressive towards Zee and seemed to be allowing her personal dislike of him get in the way of things right from the start. She also just informed him that she was going to be the leader of the sub-group which was a bit arrogant.
thenetworkbabe
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by Yvie123:
“From what I've seen of Leah until now, her personality seemed to change completely in this week's task - she adopted that aggressive assertiveness that, to me, always seems just plain rude.
I thought at the time that Leah was setting out to deliberately sabotage Zee, but I've changed my view now and I think that she simply really disliked him even before the task began and came across as agressive because she was determined not to be sidelined. I think she found it hard to take orders from him and to keep her dislike in check but she did try to keep it professional; when Alex was getting sidetracked into a rant about Zee, she was more interested in focussing on the task, but when she got the chance to vent against him in the Boardroom, she took it.
I'm interested to see whether I'm right, and she comes across
as less agressive from here on, or whether she just felt the time
was right to step up her game, and it happened to coincide with Zee being PM.”

The candidates have been living and watching each other for weeks. They know who is good, they know who is a waste of space, and even if some people inbetween have been stereotyped and others discounted, they will successfully have identified the worst cases.

Zee had clearly been identified as a liability and not someone to lead, or be believed, by many of the smarter people .Luisa is heard early on a previous episode saying she hopes she's not on the same team as Zee because she doubts his ability. Alex jumps in early this week and is as negative as Leah. Its unlikely Natalie has reached her conclusions solely on one task.When someone whose judgement you don't trust grabs control and boasts he knows everything, its jsrdly surprising if people with foresight start seeing defeat threatening.
hownwbrowncow
30-05-2013
I do think the edit tried to make Zee look worse than he was- I think Leah and Natalie overreacted. It was like they were in kahoots.
TrustFundBaby
30-05-2013
Leah was very much a woman scorned after losing the pm vote to Zee. She thought she could do a better job herself and tried to take matter into her own hands. So fired up were her sub team they came back with one item. Impressive.
tiggerspp
30-05-2013
Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow:
“I do think the edit tried to make Zee look worse than he was- I think Leah and Natalie overreacted. It was like they were in kahoots.”

Conversely maybe the edit didn't show the half of it..... just a thought! Bear in mind Leah is a doctor probably quite skilled indealing with awkward people not some wannabe 22 year old with a business in her back bedromm and a CV claiming it is something akin to Microsoft. I can only imagine she was the way she was on this task as she was driven to it! Now I wonder who would have done that?
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