YouView in 400,000 homes now

1andrew1 · 30-05-2013, 13:04

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...rt-of-comments

Not unexpected based on what we've heard from TalkTalk and BT - I still expect 1m base by the end of the year.

MostynDS · 30-05-2013, 13:54

I think it's a very positive start. The platform has had to contend with two serious self-inflicted disadvantages.

Firstly BT were very slow out of the blocks on this and still has a very confusing offering, even for BT enthusiasts. It must be completely unfathomable for casual buyers.

Secondly I have been surprised that since YouView boxes went on sale, I have still seen far more TV advertising for Freeview/Freeview+ boxes. Given that Freeview is now the universal (UK) method of receiving a terrestrial TV signal, why continue to promote it? And why promote FV+? It will only damage YV box sales. Better to let FV+ die and allow YV to replace it, this would also put downward pressure on YouView box prices.

I know YV and FV are both consortiums but the BBC and Arquiva are common to both. You'd think they'd stop one from competing with the other.

But given those problems I think they've done well, but when they can price a PVR box at sub £200 including WiFi and advertise it without hindrance (and BT get their act together), they'll really take off IMO...

David Waine · 30-05-2013, 16:29

400,000 in nine months. That is not bad at all. A million by the end of the year seems a reasonable estimate. For a platform that was thought by some to be dead in the water on arrival (because it had been so delayed), they seem to be making up for lost time. I seem to remember reading somewhere that BT intend to transfer their BT Vision customers to YouView in due course - or did I imagine that? If it is true, a couple of million is quite likely. Certainly enough to have its own section on the Digital Spy forums.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that Freeview HD and YouView will effectively become the same thing eventually as new Freeview boxes get Internet access and catch-up services built in.

The thing that confuses me somewhat is how people are calling YouView boxes expensive. I disagree. The Humax 500Gb box costs about £260 from Richer Sounds, which is about average among the better quality PVRs, of which it is one. All right, you can get Freeview HD PVRs for less than that, but of the same quality? TalkTalk advertise their Huawei box as being 'worth £299', which is nonsense really because they give them away and make their money on the subscription and additional packages, just like Sky. As far as I can tell the only significant difference between the two brands is that the Huawei box has a rather smaller hard disc.

VisionMan1 · 30-05-2013, 16:53

400,000 is impressive saying the full services haven't launched yet. And YouView from BT not at all (its just Vision, atm). But they are going too launch their new services in just two months -

http://recombu.com/digital/news/youv...mpaign=website

With more to follow...

The Sack · 30-05-2013, 23:43

I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature.

TelevisionUser · 31-05-2013, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...rt-of-comments

Not unexpected based on what we've heard from TalkTalk and BT - I still expect 1m base by the end of the year.

Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services.

VisionMan1 · 31-05-2013, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services.

Agree. But at the end of ones contract, one ends up with a 320GB or 500GGB Freeeview HD box that is yours to keep.

The offer is enticing, to say the least.

David Waine · 31-05-2013, 06:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services.

Isn't that how Sky built their customer base?

wwwebber · 31-05-2013, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Waine

Isn't that how Sky built their customer base?

Correct lol.

Also, Youview will never have built in wifi. Its just too ropey to maintain a constant quality stream. Especially if you intend to have iptv. Ethernet or powerline are the only choices.

I like the way Bt intend to fully integrate thier iptv offerings into the epg with now/next, replay etc and to be able to record 3 channels at once (mixture of terrestrial and iptv).

Winston_1 · 31-05-2013, 11:15

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Correct lol.

Ethernet or powerline are the only choices.

No. Ethernet is the only responsible choice. Power line causes interference to your neighbours.

BKM · 31-05-2013, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sack

I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature.

I would disagree! The way that Sky and Virgin do this is NOT built into the EPG - and is no harder to use!

BKM · 31-05-2013, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services.

Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc

Technix · 31-05-2013, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

I would disagree! The way that Sky and Virgin do this is NOT built into the EPG - and is no harder to use!

It is in on the Virgin TiVo and its a great and much more convenient feature.

VisionMan1 · 31-05-2013, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc

Currys have actually sold out all their retail boxes. So they've now shipped in new models. Seen them? -

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...54532-pdt.html

And -

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...59530-pdt.html

Hup_73 · 31-05-2013, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc

Cheers for posting, really interesting article. Although this part made me scratch my head a little...

"Could the "Freeview" name and concept could be applied – in marketing terms at least – to a new, much simpler service that offers Freeview plus all the catchup players – and which could be easily integrated into new TVs and other set-top boxes?"

Surely the only problem is that the retail boxes are quite expensive, but surely this is the case will all new technology (the first freeview boxes weren't exactly cheap). Surely at some point other manufacturers outside Humax will be allowed to start making retail YV boxes and then at that point the prices will come down.
If you could pick up a retail YV box for £120, then people will start buying them instead of a freeview+ box - then the BBC will have their mass market product.

BKM · 31-05-2013, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hup_73

Surely the only problem is that the retail boxes are quite expensive, but surely this is the case will all new technology (the first freeview boxes weren't exactly cheap). Surely at some point other manufacturers outside Humax will be allowed to start making retail YV boxes and then at that point the prices will come down.

Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings.

A second point it makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the cost!

VisionMan1 · 31-05-2013, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings.

A second point it makes its makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the high cost!

You do know that this was always the way it was meant to be? After all, who wouldn't want a YouView box included in their package from their ISP?

And TalkTalk and BT aren't going to be the only ISP's providing YouView boxes to their customers.

BKM · 31-05-2013, 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

You do know that this was always the way it was meant to be?

Have you actually READ any of the Guardian article??????

It was according to it that this was NOT the way that the BBC (and the BBC Trust) envisaged it working!

VisionMan1 · 31-05-2013, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Have you actually READ any of the Guardian article??????

It was according to it that this is NOT the way that the BBC (and the BBC Trust) envisaged it working!

That 'article' is just an anti-BBC rant. How dare the BBC be at the forefront of new technology (again)! The darstards!

In fact, I found the blog's user comments after the 'article' to be far more even and balanced.

BKM · 31-05-2013, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

That 'article' is just an anti-BBC rant.

Strange - it is mostly the Daily Mail which gets accused of that! Pointing out that licence payers paid for something that BT and TalkTalk should perhaps have paid for is, many would think, an interesting point!

Your opinions seem not exactly balanced!

Egg The Goth · 31-05-2013, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sack

I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature.

To some of us ex TalkTalk (Tiscali) TV users this is a big yawn. It's not new to us.
We already had integrated epg. We already had one streaming recording whilst also having two further available for non streaming channels.(Three recording at the same time)
We already had rewind and fast forward on all channels.

It's not genius, it is just waiting for the new (TalkTalk) Youview to catch up to certainly what we already have had from our old service for the past few years. The delay has been frustrating.

1andrew1 · 31-05-2013, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings.

A second point it makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the cost!

To be fair, sales of Freeview PVRs are not exactly flying off the shelves...and indeed never really have apart from a short flurry around DSO. Only 20% of Freeview households presently have a PVR. PVR users by and large are those with subsidised or leased boxes from Sky and Virgin. To which we can soon add TalkTalk and BT.

For HD boxes, I genuinely don't see the YouView boxes as being over-specified. In fact most criticisms seem to be that they are under-specified by not having DNLA or WiFi and are currently unable to receive the Connect TV IPTV channels!

I can see a gap in the market for a non-PVR YouView receiver and indeed TalkTalk plans to release one in the next 10 months. With the advent of more pay-tv services on the platform I can see this being a great retail product too, especially if a wifi dongle was bundled in. If Blinkbox came to the platform, I could see Tesco selling a lot of these boxes and cross-promoting its broadband and on-demand services.

VisionMan1 · 31-05-2013, 15:20

That TalkTalk announcement was interesting, to say the least. Because (eventually) any and all TT broadband users with a sufficient line speed will just get given a YouView non-PVR box automatically upon renewal. So theres another 4m users. And I would expect BT to be reciprocal, too.

Resonance · 31-05-2013, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Correct lol.

Also, Youview will never have built in wifi. Its just too ropey to maintain a constant quality stream. Especially if you intend to have iptv. Ethernet or powerline are the only choices.

I like the way Bt intend to fully integrate thier iptv offerings into the epg with now/next, replay etc and to be able to record 3 channels at once (mixture of terrestrial and iptv).

You must have some strange WiFi and I've heard others say the same about WiFi on here, but mine delivers a constant 30Mb+ on a 40Mb fttc connection.

wwwebber · 31-05-2013, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

No. Ethernet is the only responsible choice. Power line causes interference to your neighbours.

Sorry, but not here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resonance

You must have some strange WiFi and I've heard others say the same about WiFi on here, but mine delivers a constant 30Mb+ on a 40Mb fttc connection.

My wifi is fine and so is yours by the sound of it. But guess what? theres far too many folks out there that struggle due to interference, long distances, old houses etc etc. Far too many variables.

30-05-2013, 13:04	#1
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	YouView in 400,000 homes now http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...rt-of-comments Not unexpected based on what we've heard from TalkTalk and BT - I still expect 1m base by the end of the year.

30-05-2013, 13:54	#2
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	I think it's a very positive start. The platform has had to contend with two serious self-inflicted disadvantages. Firstly BT were very slow out of the blocks on this and still has a very confusing offering, even for BT enthusiasts. It must be completely unfathomable for casual buyers. Secondly I have been surprised that since YouView boxes went on sale, I have still seen far more TV advertising for Freeview/Freeview+ boxes. Given that Freeview is now the universal (UK) method of receiving a terrestrial TV signal, why continue to promote it? And why promote FV+? It will only damage YV box sales. Better to let FV+ die and allow YV to replace it, this would also put downward pressure on YouView box prices. I know YV and FV are both consortiums but the BBC and Arquiva are common to both. You'd think they'd stop one from competing with the other. But given those problems I think they've done well, but when they can price a PVR box at sub £200 including WiFi and advertise it without hindrance (and BT get their act together), they'll really take off IMO...

30-05-2013, 16:29	#3
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	400,000 in nine months. That is not bad at all. A million by the end of the year seems a reasonable estimate. For a platform that was thought by some to be dead in the water on arrival (because it had been so delayed), they seem to be making up for lost time. I seem to remember reading somewhere that BT intend to transfer their BT Vision customers to YouView in due course - or did I imagine that? If it is true, a couple of million is quite likely. Certainly enough to have its own section on the Digital Spy forums. This is pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that Freeview HD and YouView will effectively become the same thing eventually as new Freeview boxes get Internet access and catch-up services built in. The thing that confuses me somewhat is how people are calling YouView boxes expensive. I disagree. The Humax 500Gb box costs about £260 from Richer Sounds, which is about average among the better quality PVRs, of which it is one. All right, you can get Freeview HD PVRs for less than that, but of the same quality? TalkTalk advertise their Huawei box as being 'worth £299', which is nonsense really because they give them away and make their money on the subscription and additional packages, just like Sky. As far as I can tell the only significant difference between the two brands is that the Huawei box has a rather smaller hard disc.

30-05-2013, 16:53	#4
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	400,000 is impressive saying the full services haven't launched yet. And YouView from BT not at all (its just Vision, atm). But they are going too launch their new services in just two months - http://recombu.com/digital/news/youv...mpaign=website With more to follow...

30-05-2013, 23:43	#5
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature.

31-05-2013, 00:19	#6
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Quote: Originally Posted by 1andrew1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...rt-of-comments Not unexpected based on what we've heard from TalkTalk and BT - I still expect 1m base by the end of the year. Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services.

31-05-2013, 00:32	#7
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by TelevisionUser Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services. Agree. But at the end of ones contract, one ends up with a 320GB or 500GGB Freeeview HD box that is yours to keep. The offer is enticing, to say the least.

31-05-2013, 06:52	#8
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Quote: Originally Posted by TelevisionUser Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services. Isn't that how Sky built their customer base?

31-05-2013, 10:11	#9
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by David Waine Isn't that how Sky built their customer base? Correct lol. Also, Youview will never have built in wifi. Its just too ropey to maintain a constant quality stream. Especially if you intend to have iptv. Ethernet or powerline are the only choices. I like the way Bt intend to fully integrate thier iptv offerings into the epg with now/next, replay etc and to be able to record 3 channels at once (mixture of terrestrial and iptv).

31-05-2013, 11:15	#10
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Correct lol. Ethernet or powerline are the only choices. No. Ethernet is the only responsible choice. Power line causes interference to your neighbours.

31-05-2013, 11:16	#11
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature. I would disagree! The way that Sky and Virgin do this is NOT built into the EPG - and is no harder to use!

31-05-2013, 11:22	#12
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by TelevisionUser Yes, it's primarily those two broadband suppliers that are driving uptake by giving away the free boxes which serve as an inducement to sign up to the broadband services. Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc

31-05-2013, 12:12	#13
Technix Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Birmingham Posts: 2,530	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM I would disagree! The way that Sky and Virgin do this is NOT built into the EPG - and is no harder to use! It is in on the Virgin TiVo and its a great and much more convenient feature.

31-05-2013, 13:00	#14
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc Currys have actually sold out all their retail boxes. So they've now shipped in new models. Seen them? - http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...54532-pdt.html And - http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...59530-pdt.html

31-05-2013, 13:14	#15
Hup_73 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 301	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Interesting alternative slant on YouView - also from the Guardian - suggesting that, BT and TalkTalk are doing very well out of it - and may have been given a free ride at the BBC's expense. It points out the "non-ISP bundled" sales are so dismal that it is turning into by no means what the BBC wanted or expected for its investment! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...w-freeview-bbc Cheers for posting, really interesting article. Although this part made me scratch my head a little... "Could the "Freeview" name and concept could be applied – in marketing terms at least – to a new, much simpler service that offers Freeview plus all the catchup players – and which could be easily integrated into new TVs and other set-top boxes?" Surely the only problem is that the retail boxes are quite expensive, but surely this is the case will all new technology (the first freeview boxes weren't exactly cheap). Surely at some point other manufacturers outside Humax will be allowed to start making retail YV boxes and then at that point the prices will come down. If you could pick up a retail YV box for £120, then people will start buying them instead of a freeview+ box - then the BBC will have their mass market product.

31-05-2013, 13:26	#16
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by Hup_73 Surely the only problem is that the retail boxes are quite expensive, but surely this is the case will all new technology (the first freeview boxes weren't exactly cheap). Surely at some point other manufacturers outside Humax will be allowed to start making retail YV boxes and then at that point the prices will come down. Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings. A second point it makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the cost!

31-05-2013, 13:32	#17
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings. A second point it makes its makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the high cost! You do know that this was always the way it was meant to be? After all, who wouldn't want a YouView box included in their package from their ISP? And TalkTalk and BT aren't going to be the only ISP's providing YouView boxes to their customers.

31-05-2013, 13:38	#18
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 You do know that this was always the way it was meant to be? Have you actually READ any of the Guardian article?????? It was according to it that this was NOT the way that the BBC (and the BBC Trust) envisaged it working!

31-05-2013, 13:41	#19
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Have you actually READ any of the Guardian article?????? It was according to it that this is NOT the way that the BBC (and the BBC Trust) envisaged it working! That 'article' is just an anti-BBC rant. How dare the BBC be at the forefront of new technology (again)! The darstards! In fact, I found the blog's user comments after the 'article' to be far more even and balanced.

31-05-2013, 13:49	#20
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 That 'article' is just an anti-BBC rant. Strange - it is mostly the Daily Mail which gets accused of that! Pointing out that licence payers paid for something that BT and TalkTalk should perhaps have paid for is, many would think, an interesting point! Your opinions seem not exactly balanced!

31-05-2013, 13:49	#21
Egg The Goth Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 895	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack I couldn't really see the point in YouView until I got it, although catch up tv is nothing new integrating out into the EPG is a stroke of genius, I think if people could try that rather than just being told about it the numbers would rocket as its a killer feature. To some of us ex TalkTalk (Tiscali) TV users this is a big yawn. It's not new to us. We already had integrated epg. We already had one streaming recording whilst also having two further available for non streaming channels.(Three recording at the same time) We already had rewind and fast forward on all channels. It's not genius, it is just waiting for the new (TalkTalk) Youview to catch up to certainly what we already have had from our old service for the past few years. The delay has been frustrating.

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YouView in 400,000 homes now

31-05-2013, 13:56	#22
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Certainly! - but few people are buying YouView boxes. The article makes the point that 95% of "sales" so far have been boxes supplied "free" by either BT or TalkTalk as part of their IPTV offerings. A second point it makes is that the YouView boxes are probably way over-specified for the "simple and mass-market" purposes that the BBC most wanted - and this is contributing to the cost! To be fair, sales of Freeview PVRs are not exactly flying off the shelves...and indeed never really have apart from a short flurry around DSO. Only 20% of Freeview households presently have a PVR. PVR users by and large are those with subsidised or leased boxes from Sky and Virgin. To which we can soon add TalkTalk and BT. For HD boxes, I genuinely don't see the YouView boxes as being over-specified. In fact most criticisms seem to be that they are under-specified by not having DNLA or WiFi and are currently unable to receive the Connect TV IPTV channels! I can see a gap in the market for a non-PVR YouView receiver and indeed TalkTalk plans to release one in the next 10 months. With the advent of more pay-tv services on the platform I can see this being a great retail product too, especially if a wifi dongle was bundled in. If Blinkbox came to the platform, I could see Tesco selling a lot of these boxes and cross-promoting its broadband and on-demand services.

31-05-2013, 15:20	#23
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	That TalkTalk announcement was interesting, to say the least. Because (eventually) any and all TT broadband users with a sufficient line speed will just get given a YouView non-PVR box automatically upon renewal. So theres another 4m users. And I would expect BT to be reciprocal, too.

31-05-2013, 19:28	#24
Resonance Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 9,212	Quote: Originally Posted by wwwebber Correct lol. Also, Youview will never have built in wifi. Its just too ropey to maintain a constant quality stream. Especially if you intend to have iptv. Ethernet or powerline are the only choices. I like the way Bt intend to fully integrate thier iptv offerings into the epg with now/next, replay etc and to be able to record 3 channels at once (mixture of terrestrial and iptv). You must have some strange WiFi and I've heard others say the same about WiFi on here, but mine delivers a constant 30Mb+ on a 40Mb fttc connection.

31-05-2013, 19:38	#25
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 No. Ethernet is the only responsible choice. Power line causes interference to your neighbours. Sorry, but not here. Quote: Originally Posted by Resonance You must have some strange WiFi and I've heard others say the same about WiFi on here, but mine delivers a constant 30Mb+ on a 40Mb fttc connection. My wifi is fine and so is yours by the sound of it. But guess what? theres far too many folks out there that struggle due to interference, long distances, old houses etc etc. Far too many variables.