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Old 30-05-2013, 15:16
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22714048

Oh dear, Microsoft really got it wrong with 8.
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Old 30-05-2013, 15:22
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They did - and they haven't fixed it, they have fudged it.

However, it will not offer all the functionality previously associated with the feature.

Instead it will bring users to the recently-introduced "Metro" interface.
Therefore, I will steer clear of it unless I can still use Classic Shell to bring back the classic Start Menu.
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Old 30-05-2013, 15:22
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Hardly a U-turn. They just added one button, start screen stays as it is.
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Old 30-05-2013, 15:23
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There's a boot to desktop mode but that's not going to satisfy the critics without a classic Start Menu under the Start Button, or the ability to customise the Start Screen to make it look and act more like the classic Start Menu (with folders, smaller closer spaced icons/names, separating programs from apps, ditching the charms etc.)

I guess we'll have to wait until Windows 8.2 for that. *sigh*.
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Old 30-05-2013, 15:49
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There's a boot to desktop mode but that's not going to satisfy the critics without a classic Start Menu under the Start Button, or the ability to customise the Start Screen to make it look and act more like the classic Start Menu (with folders, smaller closer spaced icons/names, separating programs from apps, ditching the charms etc.)

I guess we'll have to wait until Windows 8.2 for that. *sigh*.
I'd rather they just didn't do anything at all than this fudge. The sooner this idiot goes the better.
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Old 30-05-2013, 15:55
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They just don't get it do they?

The main problem is (or not problem for them) is that few people will move away from Windows and therefore they can do what the hell they want.

They have basically got fed up with people moanng about no Start button so have given one...just not the one people wanted and one that adds no true useful functionality.

Presumably, the update screen when it has been loaded will say: "THERE...THERE'S YOUR DAMN START BUTTON..NOW SHUT THE *"& UP!"
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:02
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They just don't get it do they?

The main problem is (or not problem for them) is that few people will move away from Windows and therefore they can do what the hell they want.

They have basically got fed up with people moanng about no Start button so have given one...just not the one people wanted and one that adds no true useful functionality.

Presumably, the update screen when it has been loaded will say: "THERE...THERE'S YOUR DAMN START BUTTON..NOW SHUT THE *"& UP!"
I think they are desperate to get people to buy into the metro interface I guess which lets face it has been a flop.

It's a knee jerk reaction to the success of the android/iOS tablets.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:03
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It's going to look very strange having 2 start buttons. 1 taking you to the shitty Metro screen, and 1 from Classic Shell which attempts to make your computer normal again.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:12
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Whatever they do those who have become obsessed with the dislike won't be happy. It was obvious they were only going to add a button for dummies and not a full blown start menu. In general there is no need for one. For those that need one for their work(?) there is W7 (at least for another couple of years)
There is no indication that they are going to break the 3rd party apps being used, so I don't really see what the pathological objections are about...
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:17
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What is the point of adding a button just for that purpose? Moving the mouse just a little further down and to the left already brings up the link to the Start screen.

This 'solution' won't please anyone.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:27
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What is the point of adding a button just for that purpose? Moving the mouse just a little further down and to the left already brings up the link to the Start screen.

This 'solution' won't please anyone.
The complaints were that you have to know something is there. With the button you see there's something there.

What I rather think can be improved is how the charms and other metro stuff are activated. Now you go into the corner because you need to click something there and instead charms jump at you.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:30
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I think they are desperate to get people to buy into the metro interface I guess which lets face it has been a flop.

It's a knee jerk reaction to the success of the android/iOS tablets.
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...-at-windows-81

Well, yes, however as the link above shows, this site thinks it is not Microsoft's fault it is ours:

Antoine Leblond, corporate vice president for Windows Program Management, explained in a blog post today that "Windows 8 has been a bold, necessary move towards mobility for the PC industry, pushing ourselves and our industry ahead with a touch-first approach that is redefining the PC as we know it." Microsoft's problem so far appears to have been that its users haven't been ready or willing to accept that kind of change, and the language that the company has used in recent weeks to define its approach to the feedback it's received has been telling.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:35
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Whatever they do those who have become obsessed with the dislike won't be happy.
What youi mean if they brought back the 'classic' start menu that would not please people who want the 'classic' start menu back..hmmmm...

It was obvious they were only going to add a button for dummies and not a full blown start menu.
Really? And how did you come to that conclusion?


For those that need one for their work(?) there is W7 (at least for another couple of years)
Hmmm, not if you've just bought a PC with Win 8 on it... ... ...

There is no indication that they are going to break the 3rd party apps being used, so I don't really see what the pathological objections are about...
Possibly because a) we would like a fit for purpose system delivered from the supplier and b) not everyone knows about 3rd party software etc.
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Old 30-05-2013, 16:36
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It's going to look very strange having 2 start buttons. 1 taking you to the shitty Metro screen, and 1 from Classic Shell which attempts to make your computer normal again.
I think Classic Shell will be updated to optionally hide the new Windows start button, or to hijack it into displaying a proper start menu.

Microsoft (and some of the media) just don't get it. Metro in its entirety is the problem on non-touchscreen PCs - it's not just a start button issue!
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Old 30-05-2013, 18:17
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I'm pleased they're bringing the Start button back, but if it's only another way to get to that stupid tile screen then there's not much point. They should have brought back the good ol' Start menu as well. Where oh where did Microsoft go wrong?
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Old 30-05-2013, 18:22
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The start menu I use will not work with windows 8.1, I am not sure if it will be updated. so i will be staying with windows 8. I don't think 8.1 will offer anything different for me anyway.

If the metro UI is not used then no point in updating as it seems most of the update is for that part, plus IE 11, which I would not use anyway.
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:06
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I love the metro UI, works well with a mouse and kayboard, I really don't understand the moaning and groaning about the start button which a lot of us use once in a blue moon
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:10
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It will boot to desktop again as well. I like innovation but MS just need to understand most of us still use a mouse to control our PCs and not touchscreen. That's their problem. From what I've heard it's great on their tablets.
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:12
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There is no indication that they are going to break the 3rd party apps being used.
The author of StartIsBack has said that W8.1 will break his program unless he completely rewrites it. This is (he says) because W8.0 still includes the Start Menu coding but W8.1 won't.
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:13
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It will boot to desktop again as well. I like innovation but MS just need to understand most of us still use a mouse to control our PCs and not touchscreen. That's their problem. From what I've heard it's great on their tablets.
Pefectly fine with a mouse as well
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:22
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This is the most pointless update ever.

When will they release that the metro UI and Desktop do not work together. It's either one or the other.
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Old 30-05-2013, 19:35
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This is the most pointless update ever.

When will they release that the metro UI and Desktop do not work together. It's either one or the other.
Microsoft are greedy. Dominating the PC market is not enough; they now want to muscle in on the mobile market too. Well, that's their prerogative, however it doesn't explain why desktop/laptop users need to have a mobile OS bolted to their working environment. All it has achieved is annoying their core customer base.
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Old 30-05-2013, 20:09
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What youi mean if they brought back the 'classic' start menu that would not please people who want the 'classic' start menu back..hmmmm...
No, that's not what I meant and you know it. Argument for argument sake is pointless

Really? And how did you come to that conclusion?
Just reading the reports from MS..



Hmmm, not if you've just bought a PC with Win 8 on it... ... ...
Well those that should know better will have done the research. Those that didn't will probably get on and use it..


Possibly because a) we would like a fit for purpose system delivered from the supplier and b) not everyone knows about 3rd party software etc.
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I take that as the Royal we.....Don't buy W8 in that case..
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Old 30-05-2013, 20:10
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What is the point of adding a button just for that purpose? Moving the mouse just a little further down and to the left already brings up the link to the Start screen.

This 'solution' won't please anyone.
Having no start button or similar is a nightmare if you are trying to do anything on a virtual screen via a remote log in - you have to be so precise with the mouse.

Whilst 8 may be fine on a touch device, when you put it on a large desktop screen, it really does become infuriating to use.

Many people I know who bought PCs with Windows 8 have since moved to Windows 7 as the have found it next to unusable in a desktop environment.
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Old 30-05-2013, 20:10
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The author of StartIsBack has said that W8.1 will break his program unless he completely rewrites it. This is (he says) because W8.0 still includes the Start Menu coding but W8.1 won't.
A couple more weeks and we'll know one way or the other..
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