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FM Lover
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What's your definition of a chart flop 80sfan? Dinner With Gershwin just missed top ten, making No13. Some flop.
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Donna made some great songs in the 80's. A particular favourite of mine is The Woman In Me which didn't make the Top 40 when released in 1982 as the follow up to the equally excellent Love Is In Control.

Then we had stiff like Unconditional Love, Dinner With Gershwin and then onto the SAW stuff in 1989.

It's not about needing to go to SAW to have a hit, they were the flavour of the time, just like every other song these days has to be produced by Pharrell Williams. Donna, like Cliff probed she could move with the times and it paid off for both artist.
The Gatherer
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What have cassettes got to do with it Gatherer? I know that Walkman's were all the latest rage at that point. However I'm meaning nothing to do with what music is listened on, but through. What the heck do you think people are walking around listening to their iPods through nowadays exactly? WIRES dear boy!

That is why it's still utterly relevant in 2014 as in 1981. Most of us are all still as "Wired For Sound" as ever.
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Cassettes are mentioned in the lyrics. Surprised you didn't know that!
The Gatherer
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“I was 14 in 1983. Why would I have needed some artist to suddenly release a song to "open up" their back catalogue to interest me, or suddenly find out they even existed? Of course you should have heard of Donna Summer in 1989 at the age of 14, even without her big Waterman produced "comeback" to the top ten hit early that year. You'd never heard I Feel Love by age 14 for instance? I do not understand your logic here. I respect your opinion, but disagree strongly with it about Donna Summer's 80's hits.

Have you not heard her two fantastic 1982 top twenty singles....Love Is In Control (Finger On The Trigger) or State Of Independence? What about 1983's She Works Hard For The Money? All vastly superior to her late 80's sell out.

As for Cliff Richard, the despair I felt when discovering he'd fallen into the clutches of Waterman! I mean, he never even needed to do it. He was having enormous hit singles right up until that moment. The previous 2 singles up until his Waterman effort, had been his 100th single that made No2, The Best Of Me, only kept off the top by a dreary Jason Donovan cover when they both debuted at the top two spots in the same week of June 1989, unheard of then other than the Band Aid/Wham chart that did it. The single before that by Cliff was his major 4 week long 1988 Christmas No1. He'd had one of his best singles and a No3 with Some People in late 1987 too. So the hits were still coming and were big ones. He did not need to look towards Waterman to aid him for a moment, in the same way that Donna Summer had been through a leaner spell which you could make excuses for.

Bananrama's best singles were all in the early 80's from 1982 to 1986. Cruel Summer beats everything.

Kylie's best singles have all come with her second wind after her mid 90's lull.


The Gatherer need not start snarling at me over this post. Talking Donna Summer and SAW is a flammable combination with me and him. It's my opinion, and I respect what other's think but am also happy to argue my own corner.


Nobody has yet commented on why they think Tony has missed the obvious chance to celebrate his 50th anniversary on radio this weekend by doing 1964 on POTP.”

You're correct about no need to argue about this again, but SO wrong with most of your other comments. You really do have a bad case of anti SAW rage teetering on the obsessive.
The Gatherer
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What's your definition of a chart flop 80sfan? Dinner With Gershwin just missed top ten, making No13. Some flop.

I'm not going to buy into your other point that Donna Summer could not have had another top three hit without Waterman. Why exactly? Not too long before this, Bee Gees had not charted or had a big hit since '79, also when Donna was at her peak. Did they need to go running to Waterman to get them another big hit? No. In summer 1987 you could likely have said they are finished, never will they have another notable or sizable hit. Yet by that autumn, without Waterman, they had returned to the top with a massive No1. At the same time, another unfancied artist who had not had a hit in years, former Beatle George Harrison shot to No2 for a month stay. Even 70's icon Barry White at the same time grabbed his biggest hit since the 70's. So to suggest that Donna Summer "needed" Waterman to ever stand another chance of a big hit is being rather disingenuous to her as an artist.”

Really? So, apart from a re-release of a 1977 Number 1 can you name any Donna Summer Top 10 hit from 1980 (yes, as far back as 1980) onwards that wasn't produced by SAW? No? Thought not.
Jedikiah
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Really? So, apart from a re-release of a 1977 Number 1 can you name any Donna Summer Top 10 hit from 1980 (yes, as far back as 1980) onwards that wasn't produced by SAW? No? Thought not.”

I agree with much of what Rich Tea has to say, and although some of her early eighties songs were good ('State Of Independence', 'Love Is In Control' etc.), overwhelmingly i get the feeling that Donna was a (still) great singer, but in desperate need of the right material. 'Dinner With Gershwin' wasn't bad of course, but to a degree it makes the Stock-AItken-Waterman collaboration a little more forgiveable, because it wasn't her most memorable piece of work. Although 'Dinner With Gershwin' was some way from a typical Stock-Aitken-Waterman sound, she was also a long way from the greatness of her seventies work and especially a song like I Feel Love.
Mr&MrsRR
24-07-2014
Originally Posted by Jedikiah:
“I agree with much of what Rich Tea has to say, and although some of her early eighties songs were good ('State Of Independence', 'Love Is In Control' etc.), overwhelmingly i get the feeling that Donna was a (still) great singer, in desperate need of the right material. 'Dinner With Gershwin' wasn't bad of course, but to a degree it makes the Stock-AItken-Waterman collaboration a little forgiveable, because it wasn't her most memorable piece of work. Although it was some way from a typical Stock-Aitken- Waterman sound, she was also a long way from the seventies work and especially a song like I Feel Love.”

I liked Donna's earlier singles

Love to love you baby( banned by the BBC)
winter melody
could it be magic

But nothing wrong with her SAW songs , they were good radio pop and club records
SAW got a lot of stick but in the 80s most of their songs filled the dancefloors like them or not SAW were genius producers who were there at the right time during the 80s who made hit records with unknown and established artists
Jedikiah
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Mr&MrsRR:
“I liked Donna's earlier singles

Love to love you baby( banned by the BBC)
winter melody
could it be magic

But nothing wrong with her SAW songs , they were good radio pop and club records
SAW got a lot of stick but in the 80s most of their songs filled the dancefloors like them or not SAW were genius producers who were there at the right time during the 80s who made hit records with unknown and established artists”

Yes, but it's hard not to admit those early successes, were very much pioneering songs, and much different in character to the formulaic processed pop of the Stock, Aitken and Waterman 'hit' factory. The early Donna Summer-Georgio Moroder collaborations set an early template which those electronic influenced artists would feel in awe of, for decades
I think Donna, in common with fellow singers like Martha Reeves, and Jean Terrell, despite being deemed 'the queen of disco', she was perhaps a little underrated, and especially when put alongside someone like Diana Ross, who possessed bags of charisma, both as a person, and as a singer, but who perhaps wasn't possessed with technically the best voice. Diana seemed to get the cream of the best songs both with motown, and for a large spell as a sold artist. However, Diana's more pop/soul voice, as opposed to a richer, and more rootsy gospel soul style, gave her the greater opportunity to crossover to a white audience. Donna, like the others benefitted from Diana immensely, but that did not necessarily prevent her from living in Diana's shadow, which is a shame, i feel. Donna was a great singer right up to her final days. 'Queen Of Disco' is too narrow a term to describe her singing talents.
Mr&MrsRR
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Jedikiah:
“Yes, but it's hard not to admit those early successes, were very much pioneering songs, and much different in character to the formulaic processed pop of the Stock, Aitken and Waterman 'hit' factory. The early Donna Summer-Georgio Moroder collaborations set an early template which those electronic influenced artists would feel in awe of, for decades
I think Donna, in common with fellow singers like Martha Reeves, and Jean Terrell, despite being deemed 'the queen of disco', she was perhaps a little underrated, and especially when put alongside someone like Diana Ross, who possessed bags of charisma, both as a person, and as a singer, but who perhaps wasn't possessed with technically the best voice. Diana seemed to get the cream of the best songs both with motown, and for a large spell as a sold artist. However, Diana's more pop/soul voice, as opposed to a richer, and more rootsy gospel soul style, gave her the greater opportunity to crossover to a white audience. Donna, like the others benefitted from Diana immensely, but that did not necessarily prevent her from living in Diana's shadow, which is a shame, i feel. Donna was a great singer right up to her final days. 'Queen Of Disco' is too narrow a term to describe her singing talents.”

I do agree Donna was a great singer I have her 1977 "I remember yesterday" album it has a couple of singles on it apart from " I feel love" " Love's unkind " and " I remember yesterday" was a single as well.

The above mentioned was on the GTO label , I have her " Once upon a time" album on Cassablanca label good tracks including " Rumour has it" " I love you" all Georgio -morroder produced , I also have her " Down deep inside" single ( title theme for " The deep" movie) I know Donna was very talented and had hits before S A W , but I suspect when the hits dried up S A W were there at the right time to raise her profile again!
80sfan
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What's your definition of a chart flop 80sfan? Dinner With Gershwin just missed top ten, making No13. Some flop.

I'm not going to buy into your other point that Donna Summer could not have had another top three hit without Waterman. Why exactly? Not too long before this, Bee Gees had not charted or had a big hit since '79, also when Donna was at her peak. Did they need to go running to Waterman to get them another big hit? No. In summer 1987 you could likely have said they are finished, never will they have another notable or sizable hit. Yet by that autumn, without Waterman, they had returned to the top with a massive No1. At the same time, another unfancied artist who had not had a hit in years, former Beatle George Harrison shot to No2 for a month stay. Even 70's icon Barry White at the same time grabbed his biggest hit since the 70's. So to suggest that Donna Summer "needed" Waterman to ever stand another chance of a big hit is being rather disingenuous to her as an artist.”

For an act like Donna Summer who had a string of top 10 hits from
1976-1979, I'd expect a 'flop' for her to be anything less than a top 10 single.

Donna had no top ten singles from 1980 to 1988. I'd say that was quite disappointing for someone who was releasing track after track a few years earlier and them being hits. The Bee Gees can't really be put in the same bracket as they were writers and had penned successful songs for others. Whatever your own personal feelings towards SAW, it would have been highly unlikely Donna Summer would have been in the top 3 in spring 1989 with a few equally great hits in that summer had she not been given the material SAW gave her.

What if she had recorded 'Happening all over again' in 1990 which was written for her? The lyrics and production were made for Donna's sound and it would have gone top 5 I imagine. But for whatever reason, Donna declined and it was Lonnie Gordon who scored the hit & what a great song it is too
Jedikiah
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Mr&MrsRR:
“I do agree Donna was a great singer I have her 1977 "I remember yesterday" album it has a couple of singles on it apart from " I feel love" " Love's unkind " and " I remember yesterday" was a single as well.

The above mentioned was on the GTO label , I have her " Once upon a time" album on Cassablanca label good tracks including " Rumour has it" " I love you" all Georgio -morroder produced , I also have her " Down deep inside" single ( title theme for " The deep" movie) I know Donna was very talented and had hits before S A W , but I suspect when the hits dried up S A W were there at the right time to raise her profile again!”

Yes, i agree. Had it not been for Stock, Aitken and Waterman it is doubtful she would have enjoyed a number 3 hit. It is the Stock, Aitken and Waterman sound that ensured its success and not the presence of a Donna Summer vocal (although it obviously helped). Donna had often liked to have a creative hand in the writing of a number of her songs, and she also shares a credit on 'This Time I Know It's For Real'. How much she actually contributed is very much open to debate. On its own merits the song and arrangement isn't all bad. However, the over familiarity with the Stock Aiken and Waterman sound, really was beginning to become a little trying.
Rich Tea.
25-07-2014
Donna Summer should be getting a play on tomorrow's POTP, as she was rising up the charts to a peak No14 this week back in 1979 with Bad Girls. Quite amazing that even in this period, her solo singles like that one and Hot Stuff failed to break into the UK top ten. Yet over in the States, both were chart toppers, and Bad Girls was enjoying 5 weeks at No1 on the Billboard Hot 100 at this very time in '79.

Rather ironically her UK No1, I Feel Love, only made No6 on the American Charts. Too European maybe?
Robbie01
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“Donna Summer should be getting a play on tomorrow's POTP, as she was rising up the charts to a peak No14 this week back in 1979 with Bad Girls. Quite amazing that even in this period, her solo singles like that one and Hot Stuff failed to break into the UK top ten. Yet over in the States, both were chart toppers, and Bad Girls was enjoying 5 weeks at No1 on the Billboard Hot 100 at this very time in '79.

Rather ironically her UK No1, I Feel Love, only made No6 on the American Charts. Too European maybe?”

In the US, for 'I Feel Love' it was also possibly due a lack of airplay. The US Hot 100 from its outset in 1958 has always been based on a mixture of sales and airplay (and in recent years streaming) and from mid 1973 onwards airplay contributed the majority of "chart points" which counted in the Hot 100. In 1977 it was a 55-45 split between airplay v sales. Unless the record was very popular with radio stations its position would be lower in the overall chart.

I think in the case of the Hot 100 'I Feel Love' just wasn't a massive radio hit - it certainly was a big seller, with sales of over 1.5m in the US.
Rich Tea.
26-07-2014
CONGRATULATIONS TONY BLACKBURN ON YOUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY ON THE RADIO THIS WEEK!

Long may it continue. But why not the obvious 1964 today to mark it?

Pick Of The Pops today playing the hits this week back in 1979 and 1986.
alcockell
26-07-2014
Hiya... just opening all the tabs up..
alcockell
26-07-2014
Hour 1 - http://www.officialcharts.com/archiv.../1/1979-07-28/

TOTP is the Yewtree'd 800th one.


26-7-79: Presenter: Jimmy Savile O.B.E. (800th TOTP)

(50) SHOWADDYWADDY – Sweet Little Rock ‘N’ Roller
(30) JUDIE TZUKE – Stay With Me Till Dawn
(35) BUZZCOCKS – Harmony In My Head
(27) ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA – The Diary Of Horace Wimp (video)
(39) THE UNDERTONES – Here Comes The Summer
(10) SUPERTRAMP – Breakfast In America (video)
(41) TELEX – Rock Around The Clock
(13) PATRICK HERNANDEZ – Born To Be Alive (danced to by Legs & Co)
(23) CLIFF RICHARD – We Don’t Talk Anymore
(15) THE POLICE – Can’t Stand Losing You ®
(43) SPYRO GYRA – Morning Dance
(1) THE BOOMTOWN RATS – I Don’t Like Mondays (video)
(18) RICKIE LEE JONES – Chuck E.’s In Love (and credits)
Rich Tea.
26-07-2014
Donna Summer getting played with Bad Girls as predicted.
alcockell
26-07-2014
And up to 11 for ABBA...
alcockell
26-07-2014
And The Knack... already ramped uip the bass and volume..
david1956
26-07-2014
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“And The Knack... already ramped uip the bass and volume..”

The Sex Pistols got missed.... Shock Horror.
Rich Tea.
26-07-2014
Originally Posted by david1956:
“The Sex Pistols got missed.... Shock Horror.”

It was rubbish anyway, a world away from Sex Pistols 1977/8. One best ignored. Did see the promo on TOTP 1979 recently, not so much Sex Pistols but Sid Vicious solo.
Robbie01
26-07-2014
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“And The Knack... already ramped uip the bass and volume..”

Same here! What a song! Even if the lyrics are slightly dodgy...

This an excellent top 20 from 1979, 'Are Friends Electric' is currently playing.
Robbie01
26-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“It was rubbish anyway, a world away from Sex Pistols 1977/8. One best ignored. Did see the promo on TOTP 1979 recently, not so much Sex Pistols but Sid Vicious solo.”

Steve Jones and Paul Cook are also featured on the single...
Rich Tea.
26-07-2014
15 to No1 for the Boomtown Rats I Don't Like Mondays.

Certainly there was a Monday in April this year that Sir Bob really didn't like that's for sure.

Why is nobody seemingly capable of making such sweepingly grand and memorable songs like this anymore?
alcockell
26-07-2014
Hour 2 - http://www.officialcharts.com/archiv.../1/1986-07-26/
TOTP -
24/07/86 (Gary Davies & Peter Powell)
Hollywood Beyond – “What’s The Colour Of Money?” (8)
Sinitta – “So Macho” (16) (video)
Audrey Hall – “Smile” (19)
Robert Palmer – “I Didn’t Mean To Turn You On” (11) (video)
Spandau Ballet – “Fight For Ourselves” (30) (breaker)
Five Star – “Find The Time” (25) (breaker)
The Jesus & Mary Chain – “Some Candy Talking” (20) (breaker)
Haywoode – “Roses” (14) WATCH
Madonna – “Papa Don’t Preach” (1) (video)
Katrina & The Waves – “Sun Street” (33) (video/credits)
Robbie01
26-07-2014
Up to 1986. And a bit of SAW for RT! With a pinch of Simon Cowell thrown in for good measure... 'So Macho'!
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