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HMs who you thought were undeservedly disliked by people on here
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Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I think Cameron's dislike on here is undeserved. I've just finished rewatching BB4, (yes, I am a confirmed BB4 fan and I'm not ashamed to admit it), and to me, he still comes across as a really lovely gentleman. IMO, I think the dislike for him stems from the fact that he beat Jon in an eviction. It wasn't his fault that he got less votes to evict than Jon did.”
“I think Cameron's dislike on here is undeserved. I've just finished rewatching BB4, (yes, I am a confirmed BB4 fan and I'm not ashamed to admit it), and to me, he still comes across as a really lovely gentleman. IMO, I think the dislike for him stems from the fact that he beat Jon in an eviction. It wasn't his fault that he got less votes to evict than Jon did.”
I'm a big fan of BB4 too still think its underrated.
Cameron I never hated at all just disliked the fact he zapped the fun out of everything. He won for me cause of that Africa trip, I still stand by that even today. Beating Jon and Fed in the double eviction wasn't his fault but he should have gone for the good of the show. Nice but dull man.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
And the fact he was using Sophie plus he was a jerk of the biggest order with all the stuff he said outside the house about Sophie. Deserves the hate he gets
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
He was horrible about Freddie - really nasty, he deserved to be thoroughly disliked !
Anton.
The guy got a lot of grief in his status as the BB12 panto baddie but I never got the impression there was ever any malice or genuine nastiness in anything he did, rather he was just playing up to the Victor wannabe persona that production had carved for him, added to that was the way that all of his plans ended up backfiring on him, which in my eyes made him come across as funny.
The guy got a lot of grief in his status as the BB12 panto baddie but I never got the impression there was ever any malice or genuine nastiness in anything he did, rather he was just playing up to the Victor wannabe persona that production had carved for him, added to that was the way that all of his plans ended up backfiring on him, which in my eyes made him come across as funny.
I am utterly blinded by Jen. Best looking housemate ever.
Also Maxwell BB6 is probably my favourite housemate.
Also Maxwell BB6 is probably my favourite housemate.
Originally Posted by stephen_cheever:
“And the fact he was using Sophie plus he was a jerk of the biggest order with all the stuff he said outside the house about Sophie. Deserves the hate he gets”
“And the fact he was using Sophie plus he was a jerk of the biggest order with all the stuff he said outside the house about Sophie. Deserves the hate he gets”
I'm talking about his time as a hm in the BB house, not what he said or did once he'd left the house becuase that's a seperate issue.
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“He was horrible about Freddie - really nasty, he”
“He was horrible about Freddie - really nasty, he”
Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.
Originally Posted by Damien.:
“Noirin also, she did very little wrong considering how hated she was on here. I think people were sick of the airtime she got and the drawn out storylines rather than her as a person though..”
“Noirin also, she did very little wrong considering how hated she was on here. I think people were sick of the airtime she got and the drawn out storylines rather than her as a person though..”
This - all day long. Thank God I wasn't on here at the time as I wouldn't still be here, I'd imagine.
She was a perfectly pleasant and very beautiful young woman. I didn't like the way she treated Siavash when handsome arrived; but the whole Marcus/Shree thing - she was completely blameless and, apparently, villified.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
He did bark at him to go and do the washing up once. I think Freddie really struggled with people like Kris: he was used to articulate people who valued eccentricity, his cultural references were all retro, and he did not know how to stand up for himself without (as we later saw) sounding 12 years old; and he clashed with a vain, culture-free lowest-common-denominator conformist who did not know how to factor even the basics of tolerance into his outlook on life. In Kris's world, if you were different, you must be lesser.
Personally don't get the dislike for...
Science BB6
Kemal BB6
Anthony BB6
Nikki BB7
Lea BB7
Chanelle BB8
Sylvia BB9
Charlie BB10
Lisa BB10
Norin (sp?) BB10
Shievonne BB13
HMs I dont personallythink deserve the dislike because they were such great housemates, but can see why people do dislike them are Makosi and Grace. Very intelligent people playing the game IMO. Made for brilliant housemates.
Science BB6
Kemal BB6
Anthony BB6
Nikki BB7
Lea BB7
Chanelle BB8
Sylvia BB9
Charlie BB10
Lisa BB10
Norin (sp?) BB10
Shievonne BB13
HMs I dont personallythink deserve the dislike because they were such great housemates, but can see why people do dislike them are Makosi and Grace. Very intelligent people playing the game IMO. Made for brilliant housemates.
Originally Posted by stephen_cheever:
“I'm a big fan of BB4 too still think its underrated.
Cameron I never hated at all just disliked the fact he zapped the fun out of everything. He won for me cause of that Africa trip, I still stand by that even today. Beating Jon and Fed in the double eviction wasn't his fault but he should have gone for the good of the show. Nice but dull man.”
“I'm a big fan of BB4 too still think its underrated.
Cameron I never hated at all just disliked the fact he zapped the fun out of everything. He won for me cause of that Africa trip, I still stand by that even today. Beating Jon and Fed in the double eviction wasn't his fault but he should have gone for the good of the show. Nice but dull man.”
I don't think Cameron was wanting to stop the other HMs having fun. I don't think he had a problem with others doing this. He just got uncomfortable when the others played rowdy drinking games because it wasn't him. I can personally relate to that as I can get uncomfortable around that sort of thing too.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
I can remember Kris looked down at Freddie, as if he was beneath him. Whenever Freddie tried sticking up for himself, Kris would just rudely walk away, not giving him a chance to speak.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I don't think Cameron was wanting to stop the other HMs having fun. I don't think he had a problem with others doing this. He just got uncomfortable when the others played rowdy drinking games because it wasn't him. I can personally relate to that as I can get uncomfortable around that sort of thing too.
I can remember Kris looked down at Freddie, as if he was beneath him. Whenever Freddie tried sticking up for himself, Kris would just rudely walk away, not giving him a chance to speak.”
“I don't think Cameron was wanting to stop the other HMs having fun. I don't think he had a problem with others doing this. He just got uncomfortable when the others played rowdy drinking games because it wasn't him. I can personally relate to that as I can get uncomfortable around that sort of thing too.
I can remember Kris looked down at Freddie, as if he was beneath him. Whenever Freddie tried sticking up for himself, Kris would just rudely walk away, not giving him a chance to speak.”
He treated Freddie like a piece of sh*t, was vile to and about him
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“He did bark at him to go and do the washing up once. I think Freddie really struggled with people like Kris: he was used to articulate people who valued eccentricity, his cultural references were all retro, and he did not know how to stand up for himself without (as we later saw) sounding 12 years old; and he clashed with a vain, culture-free lowest-common-denominator conformist who did not know how to factor even the basics of tolerance into his outlook on life. In Kris's world, if you were different, you must be lesser.”
“He did bark at him to go and do the washing up once. I think Freddie really struggled with people like Kris: he was used to articulate people who valued eccentricity, his cultural references were all retro, and he did not know how to stand up for himself without (as we later saw) sounding 12 years old; and he clashed with a vain, culture-free lowest-common-denominator conformist who did not know how to factor even the basics of tolerance into his outlook on life. In Kris's world, if you were different, you must be lesser.”
Ah, the old myth that HMs are disliked by other HMs just for being different.
Still, I agree with you and Dixon that Kris didn't actually do anything very bad to Freddie.
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“He was horrible about Freddie - really nasty, he deserved to be thoroughly disliked !”
“He was horrible about Freddie - really nasty, he deserved to be thoroughly disliked !”
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
“Can you give one example of the "really nasty" things Kris did to Freddie.”
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“...
I can remember Kris looked down at Freddie, as if he was beneath him. Whenever Freddie tried sticking up for himself, Kris would just rudely walk away, not giving him a chance to speak.”
“...
I can remember Kris looked down at Freddie, as if he was beneath him. Whenever Freddie tried sticking up for himself, Kris would just rudely walk away, not giving him a chance to speak.”
That's not very nasty, though. Freddie tended to go on in a way that could try one's patience. By leaving, Kris avoided doing anything worse.
And what's supposed to show Kris "looked down at Freddie"?
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“He treated Freddie like a piece of sh*t, was vile to and about him”
“He treated Freddie like a piece of sh*t, was vile to and about him
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So what specifically constituted that treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“yes, I agree with all of that. He was a vain person, but there are far worse things than being vain. And the reaction to Angel having water thrown at her was massively over the top. You would have thought he had thrown acid at her. And his Nana act was not particularly witty, but he was attempting to create a bit of entertainment in a house where there is often literally nothing to do. It's not as if we were forced to sit through it: it was never shown on the highlights, so you actively had to click on a link to watch it at all.”
“yes, I agree with all of that. He was a vain person, but there are far worse things than being vain. And the reaction to Angel having water thrown at her was massively over the top. You would have thought he had thrown acid at her. And his Nana act was not particularly witty, but he was attempting to create a bit of entertainment in a house where there is often literally nothing to do. It's not as if we were forced to sit through it: it was never shown on the highlights, so you actively had to click on a link to watch it at all.”
Or be watching live.
Indeed, was there even a link?
Originally Posted by Veri:
“That's not very nasty, though. Freddie tended to go on in a way that could try one's patience. By leaving, Kris avoided doing anything worse.”
“That's not very nasty, though. Freddie tended to go on in a way that could try one's patience. By leaving, Kris avoided doing anything worse.”
Leaving whilst Freddie was talking was certainly ruder than other things he could do. The very least he could have done is sit and wait for him to finish speaking. Deliberately walking out in the middle of a conversation is rude, no matter who it is.
And what's supposed to show Kris "looked down at Freddie"?[/quote]
IIRC, wasn't he the one that started off the "I don't think so, Sonny Jim" remarks? I remember the clip of him saying it one time, and to me, the look on his face as he said it was meant in a derogatory way.
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“So what specifically constituted that treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?”
“So what specifically constituted that treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?”
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...-face-off.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1052253
There's probably other threads on here about it, but that's all I can find at the moment. You might be better at finding them, I'm sure they're out there somewhere. The whole of BB10 is on YouTube, so there'll be clips of it on there.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
“Kris.
His 'crime' was not being to keen on Saint Freddie.
Bit of a twonk for sure! But nothing more than that!”
Kris and Lisa were pretty unpleasant to Sree as well.
IMO neither Noirin nor her boyfriend did anything to deserve the vitriol on here.
I also think that Maxwell and Saskia did nothing wrong apart from over-react to Makosi's task - which, I presume, was BB's plan.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“Leaving whilst Freddie was talking was certainly ruder than other things he could do.”
“Leaving whilst Freddie was talking was certainly ruder than other things he could do.”
Ruder than some, but not than others.
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“The very least he could have done is sit and wait for him to finish speaking. Deliberately walking out in the middle of a conversation is rude, no matter who it is.”
“The very least he could have done is sit and wait for him to finish speaking. Deliberately walking out in the middle of a conversation is rude, no matter who it is.”
I didn't say it wasn't rude. How was it 'really nasty'? (That's what Dixon asked, and you gave that as an answer.)
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IIRC, wasn't he the one that started off the "I don't think so, Sonny Jim" remarks? I remember the clip of him saying it one time, and to me, the look on his face as he said it was meant in a derogatory way.”
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“And what's supposed to show Kris "looked down at Freddie"?”
“And what's supposed to show Kris "looked down at Freddie"?”
IIRC, wasn't he the one that started off the "I don't think so, Sonny Jim" remarks? I remember the clip of him saying it one time, and to me, the look on his face as he said it was meant in a derogatory way.”
So how's that mean he looked down on him?
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“http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...-face-off.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1052253
There's probably other threads on here about it, but that's all I can find at the moment. You might be better at finding them, I'm sure they're out there somewhere. The whole of BB10 is on YouTube, so there'll be clips of it on there.”
“http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...-face-off.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1052253
There's probably other threads on here about it, but that's all I can find at the moment. You might be better at finding them, I'm sure they're out there somewhere. The whole of BB10 is on YouTube, so there'll be clips of it on there.”
What specifically in it is supposed to be treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Ruder than some, but not than others.
I didn't say it wasn't rude. How was it 'really nasty'? (That's what Dixon asked, and you gave that as an answer.)”
“Ruder than some, but not than others.
I didn't say it wasn't rude. How was it 'really nasty'? (That's what Dixon asked, and you gave that as an answer.)”
I personally think that it was rude AND nasty. That's my point.
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“So how's that mean he looked down on him?”
“So how's that mean he looked down on him?”
The fact that it was done in a derogatory way says to me, that he looked down on him. You wouldn't be derogatory about someone that you didn't look down on, surely?
What specifically in it is supposed to be treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?[/quote]
A couple of the examples are in the links above I mentioned. TBH, my memory of BB10 isn't totally up to scratch, which is why I suggested looking through some episodes of the series, because I think that would give better examples.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“I personally think that it was rude AND nasty. That's my point.”
“I personally think that it was rude AND nasty. That's my point.”
What's nasty about walking away? You seem to think everyone should have endless patience with Freddie, and if they don't, it's really nasty. Freddie could be very, very irritating, and the HMs are stuck in a fairly small space with him.
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“The fact that it was done in a derogatory way says to me, that he looked down on him. You wouldn't be derogatory about someone that you didn't look down on, surely?”
“The fact that it was done in a derogatory way says to me, that he looked down on him. You wouldn't be derogatory about someone that you didn't look down on, surely?”
Is "I don't think so, Sonny Jim" supposed to be the derogatory remark?
Anyway, if one HM makes a derogatory remark about another, it's not normally described as looking down.
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A couple of the examples are in the links above I mentioned. TBH, my memory of BB10 isn't totally up to scratch, which is why I suggested looking through some episodes of the series, because I think that would give better examples.”
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“What specifically in it is supposed to be treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?”
“What specifically in it is supposed to be treating Freddie like a piece of **** or being vile to and about him?”
A couple of the examples are in the links above I mentioned. TBH, my memory of BB10 isn't totally up to scratch, which is why I suggested looking through some episodes of the series, because I think that would give better examples.”
What do you think are the examples in those links?
The first is to Brian Belo's opinion. It doesn't contain any specifics about what Kris did or said.
The 2nd tells me something about how some viewers reacted, but it's hard to tell how bad (or not) it really was. One poster in the thread said:
Originally Posted by cah:
“Why is Kris the only one at fault here ? Freddie came out and made his point Kris answered him by saying in a bit and instead of Freddie leaving it at that he went on about it. Yes it was a fair point Freddie was making but to keep trying to drive his point home after he had been answered i'd have told him to f-off as well
As for people saying yes but he did it straight away for Marcus ,due to editing we don;t really know how long it was .It could've been straight away like shown but = it could've been 15-20 mins after”
Originally Posted by Timalloy84:
“I am utterly blinded by Jen. Best looking housemate ever.
Also Maxwell BB6 is probably my favourite housemate.”
“I am utterly blinded by Jen. Best looking housemate ever.
Also Maxwell BB6 is probably my favourite housemate.”
Brilliant
I still don't get why there was so much hatred thrown in her direction. She might not have been a hyper-active housemate, but her presence in the house was probably one of the most influential ones. The State of Susie task, the water thrown in her face, her having to solely nominate 2 people (remember: she didn't know it, nor anyone did...they had her go in first and never called any of the others), and the magnificent "automated big brother" moment.
I really liked Susie.
I really liked Susie.
My one is probably Grace-a good housemate and I ended up arguing in her defence because of the lack of even handedness in her last week.It seemed like do one thing and get accused of 10 other things no matter what.
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