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stephen_cheever
05-06-2013
What's your opinion on the BB10 winner as a housemate?

I never understood the appeal of Sophie and always find her winning BB10 the major minus that stops the show from been up in my top 5 BB's of all time. It's not that she was a bad person, she was a little dim and could be annoying at times but her winning BB10 was so undeserving cause She did nothing but get drunk, pull her hair out and gain weight.

That's not trying to be nasty to her but apart from a little thing she had with Kris, was she ever involved in a major storyline or any storyline at all. Had she any stand out moments? I can't remember any. Did she win BB10 simply cause she was the only likeable Housemate left in the Final?,
marcjay99
05-06-2013
I just remember her being a very nice girl and when she got drunk she was hilarious
CLL Dodge
05-06-2013
Worst
Winner
Ever
stephen_cheever
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“Worst
Winner
Ever”

Agreed 100%
Even most of the boring winners BB had were at least part of a storyline

Cameron BB4- Africa Trip
Anthony BB6- Craig thing
Rachel BB9- Rex

Sophie had nothing, I think the fact she was best choice out of the bad bunch left was the reason she won. Many might disagree on that.
themrdanjames
05-06-2013
I think Siavash would have won if it wasn't for him asking to leave 2 days before the final.

Idiot.
stephen_cheever
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by themrdanjames:
“I think Siavash would have won if it wasn't for him asking to leave 2 days before the final.

Idiot.”

I also add on that he was cheating on his Girlfriend.
disneylover
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by themrdanjames:
“I think Siavash would have won if it wasn't for him asking to leave 2 days before the final.

Idiot.”

I agree with you, I wanted him to win, I really liked him.

I didn't like her much, she didn't do much to the show, she was a model and I felt she was there to get a job off the show and I hate that.
TheManWhoLaughs
05-06-2013
Charlie and Siavash are still two of my most hated housemates of all-time, so Sophie winning was at least quite satisfying, if just to watch them lose.

None of the BB10 finalists had good storylines really - Noirin/Freddie/Marcus/Bea/Lisa carried the show and they pretty much left back to back (along with Hira, who was more likeable than any of the finalists). Siavash's pathetic rebellion was dull, as was Charlie/Rodridgo's flirting.

Like Ulrika and Josie, being the only girl in the end-game helped a lot.
WhyHelloWorld
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by themrdanjames:
“I think Siavash would have won if it wasn't for him asking to leave 2 days before the final.

Idiot.”

He lost it weeks before the finale.


I loved Sophie and i am glad she won. She seemed to be one of the more genuine in a house filled with arseholes.
Glimmer
05-06-2013
The moment that stands out for me was when she was in the diary room, talking about how well Charlie and Kris were getting on and having some doubts as to how important she was to Kris and she joked 'am I Kris's beard?'.
I think this was the moment i felt i had 'got to know' Sophie.
There was no arrogance about her - she was in a house with people who seemed to have inflated views of themselves but she was a genuine funloving girl who seemed to think -'viewers will probably be taking the piss out of me...and who could blame them?.' I think a lot of viewers then saw her as someone who would giggle along with their views of the show and not be 'up themselves' and resentful. She took the 'dogface' thing with good humour as well. If the show seemed to have a theme of vanity or delusion, then she stood out from the others by being uncorrupted by that at the end (either by losing confidence or gaining it -she said in the diary room -I'll leave the house just as I came in -happy and single), just as Rachel, in a house of people arrogant about how cool or entertaining they were, didn't let cynicism pressure her to change her personality and behaviour or make her believe she needed to, and those in the house who craved adulation found that difficult to believe. The consistency and charm of Sophie and Rachel -they didn't confuse the audience - as well as being genuine friendly people probably enhanced their popularity.
Maybe viewers who post on forums think -how impressive is that hm? when deciding a winner, or 'how much did they make me laugh/inspire me'
but non-forum viewers might think
'how genuine/likeable/friendly is that hm?'
'how well did they cope -did they take their stress out on others?'
'how would it make me as a voter feel to see them win- would it be such a surprise/boost to the confidence of the hm that it would make me feel I had given a great gift/been part of something magical?' i.e Nadia's acceptance win.
Sort of votes of competitive aspiration -from those who would like to be an impressively witty or talented hm (or on a team of such) if they were there themselves
versus the votes of friendship -from those who enjoy learning about people, how they progress and have fun whilst staying true to their own nature and developing genuine friendship/romance/being fair to others.
Some viewers might watch the show from both these perspectives and vote for the one who suits both most.
emmetmcl
05-06-2013
I really liked Sophie. She was nice, and normal.

My favourite was Marcus though, but he was never going to win.
I really liked Freddy and David too.

And Siavash until he stopped nominating.
dan_
05-06-2013
I liked her personally. Very nice girl who deserved the crown more than Siavash, who was just annoying. My winner was Freddie but as he wasn't in the final, Sophie was my choice of winner.
qwertyell
05-06-2013
It was a weird old series, that one. There was only one stand out front-runner, Freddie, for the longest time, but he imploded and what was left was a bunch of pretty unappealing choices.

Off the top of my head, I think the last week featured token villain Lisa, token geordie twazzock Charlie, Rodrido and his temper tantrums, at least one of the dullards who who airlifted into the show near the end (one of the few who didn't immediately turn around and walk out again) to try and breathe a bit more life into the flatlining series (was it David?), Siavash and Sophie.

I guess it was fair enough the the last two standing were Siavash, who was probably the most involved in the entire narrative of the series of anyone left, albeit a plonker, and Sophie, who was probably the least disagreeable.

In the end, bland won out, but we'd all long since lost by that point.
Reserved
05-06-2013
Sophie was a consistent, genuine housemate in a really odd series and I think she deserved her win.

I loved her friendship with Rodrigo and Karly. I also liked how she got on with Freddie in the first couple of weeks whilst the rest of the group continued to plot against him. It showed she had a mind of her own, however, she did eventually cave in, but I don't blame her. Freddie made it difficult for himself and it would have been dumb of her to continue to defend him to the rest of the house so early on in the series. She could've potentially lost her place in the group had she shown loyalty to him. However, later on in the series, she redeemed herself by sticking by Siavash, whilst the rest of 'em were so obviously gunning for him. At this stage, she had her place within the group and knew that she could speak her opinion without being outcast. She was very smart, socially.

The only thing she did wrong was getting into a relationship. I really go off housemates who get involved with each other and question their motive. However, it was short-lived and she was able to shine without Kris being there.

Sure, more entertaining housemates were in her series, but isn't that nearly always the case with Big Brother winners? Kate, Cameron, Anthony, Pete, Rachel and Luke were no where near the most entertaining of their series, but that clearly doesn't work against them. They were all consistent, decent housemates who had a good balance of good, dull and bad edits, but mainly good. The over the top, in your face housemates are too marmite to win and the likes of the above are good to have in the mix to help keep a balance in the house.

Sophie's definitely one of the better winners, in my opinion.
cas116
05-06-2013
Excellent post Glimmer - you've pretty much summed up my feelings about Sophie. She may not have been the most exciting winner but I always felt she was truly being herself and had a grounded attitiude about what may or may not happen after BB was over.

She had her faults but for me the positives outweighed the negatives.
wonkeydonkey
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by qwertyell:
“It was a weird old series, that one. There was only one stand out front-runner, Freddie, for the longest time, but he imploded and what was left was a bunch of pretty unappealing choices.”

I preferred ALL the finalists to Freddie. I thought it was a good final line-up, and an unusually good final week.
Quote:
“Off the top of my head, I think the last week featured token villain Lisa, token geordie twazzock Charlie, Rodrido and his temper tantrums, at least one of the dullards who who airlifted into the show near the end (one of the few who didn't immediately turn around and walk out again) to try and breathe a bit more life into the flatlining series (was it David?), Siavash and Sophie.”

Lisa had gone. Rodrigo was a great housemate, alternately charming and silly; his visit to the Queen was surely a series highlight. David was also great imo: not sparkling, but absolutely authentic, unpretentious and honest; just a fan who had miraculously got into the house, and I could have killed Bea, in particular, for the snobby way she behaved towards him.

The OP reminds me of how utterly uninterested I am in having a winner who is 'involved in storylines', as if housemates had a moral duty to stir up feuds, rows, romances and tantrums. Sophie just seemed like a nice girl, and unlike Arron, say, who confused 'just being here to enjoy myself' with 'playing unkind pranks on others', she really did seem to be there to enjoy herself. She was utterly unphased by being up for eviction. She had a likeable friendship with Karly, with Rodrigo, with Siavash. She ate and drank too much, then thought it was funny that she had put on weight. She never behaved like a drama queen. She was that relatively unusual thing in BB, a glamour model who made other women feel good about themselves.
stephen_cheever
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by qwertyell:
“It was a weird old series, that one. There was only one stand out front-runner, Freddie, for the longest time, but he imploded and what was left was a bunch of pretty unappealing choices.

Off the top of my head, I think the last week featured token villain Lisa, token geordie twazzock Charlie, Rodrido and his temper tantrums, at least one of the dullards who who airlifted into the show near the end (one of the few who didn't immediately turn around and walk out again) to try and breathe a bit more life into the flatlining series (was it David?), Siavash and Sophie.

I guess it was fair enough the the last two standing were Siavash, who was probably the most involved in the entire narrative of the series of anyone left, albeit a plonker, and Sophie, who was probably the least disagreeable.

In the end, bland won out, but we'd all long since lost by that point.”

Freddie really was the star of BB10 but he really blew it in the end.

Siavash lost it simply cause he became a love sick puppy for Noirin and the fact he was cheating on his Girlfriend, if I remember rightly. He lost it too.

I do think the thing that lets BB10 down is once Freddie and Marcus even Noirin left. It lost its big characters and the ones left were dull as dishwater. Sophie was one of the dullest.
Salv*
05-06-2013
I really liked her, when Freddie and Marcus were evicted, she was my favourite.
stephen_cheever
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I preferred ALL the finalists to Freddie. I thought it was a good final line-up, and an unusually good final week.

The OP reminds me of how utterly uninterested I am in having a winner who is 'involved in storylines', as if housemates had a moral duty to stir up feuds, rows, romances and tantrums. Sophie just seemed like a nice girl, and unlike Arron, say, who confused 'just being here to enjoy myself' with 'playing unkind pranks on others', she really did seem to be there to enjoy herself. She was utterly unphased by being up for eviction. She had a likeable friendship with Karly, with Rodrigo, with Siavash. She ate and drank too much, then thought it was funny that she had put on weight. She never behaved like a drama queen. She was that relatively unusual thing in BB, a glamour model who made other women feel good about themselves.”

Once Freddie left, the show started to freefall, Then Marcus went then the villain in Bea left. It could never withstand those big loses.

I, for one, found the last week god awful cause you were left with the drabs and bores of BB10, that's what I love about BB it splits opinion you taught it was great and I taught it was awful. You really should become Sophie's P.R person cause you make her sound more interesting then what I saw on BB10. She was a nice girl but for me she needs to be entertaining and not once did I find her that imo.
kimotag
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by marcjay99:
“I just remember her being a very nice girl and when she got drunk she was hilarious”

That was my opinion of her too. I loved it when she unleashed 'The Tickle Monster' on the other housemates
meglosmurmurs
05-06-2013
I think the biggest key to success in BB is not to take everything so seriously, especially the game aspect. I think that's where people like Sophie have really benefitted, especially compared to other housemates from the same series who screw themselves over by getting too personal, too paranoid, too bitchy, too resentful ect

She was my second choice to win at the final, and even my first choice Siavash was annoying me to the point where I thought Sophie deserved it more. I'd put the BB10 line-up on a par with BB11 in that it was maybe the weakest ever.
A similar sort of thing was done in BB10 that was done in BB11 by the quadruple eviction, only in BB10 it was done slowly and painfully with head-to-head evictions.

I think the lack of story associated with Sophie's time in the house has possibly caused her to be the most forgettable winner. I can only think of the Kris thing and looking like she's pregnant.
Veri
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by stephen_cheever:
“Once Freddie left, the show started to freefall, Then Marcus went then the villain in Bea left. It could never withstand those big loses.
...”

Actually, Bea went before Marcus. The order was Hira, Freddie, Bea, Marcus, Lisa. After she'd destroyed Freddie, what more was there for Bea to do? Marcus and Lisa went the next two weeks, so Bea wasn't needed to get them out too, and Bea would never have won in any series. What more, indeed, was there for Marcus to do? His Noirin story was over; he couldn't beat Siavash (as we saw). I suppose he might have become friends with Lisa.

(BTW, I think it's Rodrigo who deserves credit for ensuring Lisa finally faced the vote.)
Veri
05-06-2013
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“I think the biggest key to success in BB is not to take everything so seriously, especially the game aspect. I think that's where people like Sophie have really benefitted, especially compared to other housemates from the same series who screw themselves over by getting too personal, too paranoid, too bitchy, too resentful ect

She was my second choice to win at the final, and even my first choice Siavash was annoying me to the point where I thought Sophie deserved it more. I'd put the BB10 line-up on a par with BB11 in that it was maybe the weakest ever.
A similar sort of thing was done in BB10 that was done in BB11 by the quadruple eviction, only in BB10 it was done slowly and painfully with head-to-head evictions.

I think the lack of story associated with Sophie's time in the house has possibly caused her to be the most forgettable winner. I can only think of the Kris thing and looking like she's pregnant.”

A key difference vs the bb11 quad-eviction is that BB decided to depart from the normal pattern in making it a 4-way, something that had never happened before, but for the 2-ways in bb10, BB just let the normal rules apply. When BB did stick a hand in, during bb10, the results were that more than two faced the vote. In one way or another, fully half of the votes in bb10 were among more than two HMs, and all but one of those had more than three.

Anway, I agree with most of what Reserved, Glimmer, and (unusually of late) wonkeydonkey say above; and I'd add that Sophie and Freddie sometimes had fun together.

I don't understand this idea that Sophie had no story. What great stories did the others have, so that Sophie, rather than having stories that were less interesting, or something like that, had none at all?
Pointy
06-06-2013
BB10 was a poor series, and as such deserved a poor winner. My god she was dull!
stephen_cheever
06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I don't understand this idea that Sophie had no story. What great stories did the others have, so that Sophie, rather than having stories that were less interesting, or something like that, had none at all?”

what's not to understand though? Freddie,Marcus,Bea,Noirin, Siavash had great stories and were a major part of the show. What did Sophie do? jerk off Kris and get drunk wow
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