Lord Sugar made it perfectly clear at the time that he wasn't giving her any credit whatsoever for the win and she'd been very lucky with a couple of her teamates.

She really is coming across as very dislikeable - rude, bitchy, vain and abrasive. Even Karen looked like she wanted to bash her around the head last night.

The whole "I work better with men" and "I'm too pretty" made everyone here literally LOL. I've known plenty of young girls who have acted like that in the first years of their career. Only gets you so far before time catches up on you. Or the wives.

She's a sexual harrassment case waiting to happen.

The whole "anti-corporate" rant was a mistake if you are trying to get investment from the corporate world.

She's a silly young girl who has nice breasts and a decent looking face. Once her looks and youth fade away she will start having problems in business. Oh, and stop stooping/hunching love. You will hurt your back like that.

Not remotely comparable, as I said and as you conveniently ignored, though not the most engaging activity ever it is relatable back to business, the wine tasting was not and completely at odds with the theme. But let's not that get in the way of a good baseless bash.

It's all very well saying that with hindsight from your sofa, but on task they don't have the time or, under pressure to just get it done, the inclination. to go seeking out industry standard piping tips that you, someone who works in the industry, incorrectly named, for one day's amateur use. It's not a valid enough criticism to place any blame on her, it's bizarre micro-nitpicking that even Lord Sugar would frown and laugh at.

Ha ha, I just KNEW that DS would be full of outraged comments re Luisa today, especially after she had the gall to comment on her own looks and for saying she works better with men than women!

She's no way near as bad as a lot of people on here make out but she certainly didn't do herself any favours last night.

Despite how obvious it all is, well to us good DS viewers anyway- the baby doll voice and the preference for working with men whilst flattering her eyelashes etc.. the sad reality is that clearly this approach doesn't do her too much harm either in the show or real life.

I for one hope she stays in and makes the last 4- as a TV character she is great- the vitriol she stirs up on this place alone must have the TV execs rubbing their hands in glee!!

This part of the discussion was about Luisa rather than Leah - agree with your comments about the latter.

Yes I was talking about Luisa as well. When her team won LS took the wind out of her sails very quickly by making it clear that her team won despite, not because of, her leadership skills.
All of my comments referred to Luisa.

This is exactly why she is still in. I don't think its "vitriol", just slight amazement that her act isn't completely obvious to those around her. TBF, most of the guys around her probably aren't using their heads to think with.

Keep hearing about this Louisa, don't know who she is?

Her name is Luisa, at least get it right if your going to criticise her

Obvious to us good DS users = in our reactionary heads

And to baselessly write off her external achievements as down to flattering her eyelashes at men is at best down right insulting and at worst down right sexist. Has this place always been so laughably bitter and spiteful?

Hmm, yeah maybe vitriol was a tad OTT, but you know what I mean! People were lining up to have a go at her even before the series started having seen some of the tabloid 'saucy snaps'.

To be fair, as I say she hasn't really done anything to change this perception with how she comes accross- in fact she's just added to it. I think she's actually pretty good at what she does, and is a master manipulator, especially with the guys. Natalie also seems to be under her spell to an extent. I was a bit gutted Rebecca went as I think she saw though her from the off and I wanted to see them kick off.

Luisa actually reminds me of a girl I used to work with who used her sexuality/ played off her looks ALL the time. Like Luisa, she was always happier working with men rather than women.
Even though I saw through it, it used to amaze me how many guys (usually bright and sensible chaps at that), were wrapped round her little finger.

She did the 'baby doll voice' and 'Puss in Boots from Shrek' eyes also!

I would hate to work with Luisa, but for TV entertainment, she's gold.

Get back in your box Digital Sid. 'Baselessly write off her external achievements'? Sexist?

You my good man (or woman) are wrong on both counts.

If you're going to accuse me of these things, at least have the decency to get the gist of what I'm saying first before wading in with your clumsy accusations.

Or they can look past their prejudices to see she's actually a decent candidate? Nope, clearly they're the ones deluded, they've only worked with her, you're users of an angry internet forum, and when were they ever deluded?

Well said.

Personally I don't think she is that pretty. She thinks she is ... but she is not. She come across as a nasty, ugly , talent less Katie Price Wannabe.

She has no ideas of her own. Waits for the other to attack and then puts in the knife in and twists.

FIRE THE BITCH.

Agree.
Its a shame there is not a strong female conestant that could bring her down a peg or five. Karen did a good job last night.

Now look here Sidney, I'm not sure I'm liking the cut of your jib old boy!
I also don't know why you've chosen to single my posts out? Odd, given the overwhelming negativity towards her certainly hasn't come from me. I've actually been a supporter of hers in the face of the haterz (yes, I'm spelling this with a z) in recent weeks.

I have actually been one of the rare ones giving her some credit where others have given none.
Having said that, i am perfectly entitled to play Devil's Advocate and as a result can call it how I see it from week to week.

I believe she has many qualities that make her an asset in certain ways and have stated this in the past.

Perhaps you and I should combine our forces and start up the Luisa fan club instead...?
Either that or perhaps you should take the time to actually read some of the posts on here properly and then make a judgement on who is being fair or unfair to her, and address those people instead.

Just a friendly suggestion.

I am aware of the gist of what you were saying (and I didn't accuse you of being sexist, only what you said), I know (and commend the fact) that you are partly defending her, but you did seem to suggest (given that others have openly accused her of such on several occasions) that flirting payed some part in her success, which a part from being baseless bullshit is belittling and simply wouldn't be suggested if she was a flirty male.

On this you will have no disagreement with me!

I have said before that the double standards on DS are quite frankly outrageous.

I actually think we are coming from the same (or at least similar) places on this topic my good man.

When I talk about Luisa using her sexuality, I believe this is 100% the case. It's probably more a sleight on those that can be influenced/ swayed by her, than a slight on Luisa.

The only time I've seen her do it, was the time all the girls did it, in Dubai, negotiating with an undecided customer which pretty much every attractive candidate to pass through that boardroom, male and female, has done at some point, she doesn't do it with Lord Sugar and doesn't do it with the team and it has nothing to do with her success in the process as many here like to suggest. If you meant the same I apologise, it was ambiguous and on a forum like this that is bitter to the point of being genuinely unpleasant, the natural assumption to make is that it's more of the same. Especially given that this is a showbiz site and the types that that attracts.

There is no need to apologise to me Sid. As I say I largely agree with where you are coming from.

Me saying she uses her sexuality doesn't mean I think it is wrong 100% of the time, OR that she does it all the time, OR that this has been a factor in her success in business up to now.

She largely get's zero credit on here, and despite having many qualities that I can see and admire, these will get overlooked by most of DS due to how she has been shown on tv, and her appearance.

I see people (both male and female) do this all the time and yet it's usually women who get the rough end of the stick.

IMO there is a glaring lack of perspective/ equality at times on DS.

There are some naughty pictures circulating too. She is a woman who manipulates men (with sex) and doesn't get on with other women.

I dont think we are talking about the same thing. I cannot call a M1 a industry standard piping tip when it's not one. In fact, it is for personal use. It is the most basic piping nozzle you can get for cupcake decorating, very affordable and easy to find, and the results are amazing. It would've taken her the same effort to find the nearest Wilkinsons instead of the nearest Home Bargains to buy the disposable ones. And about the price well... for the same price you can get one for every 4 persons. It's not that hard as you try to paint it.

She's brilliant!

That's a huge generalisation! I'm a girl (well, woman now) but I've always got on better with the lads than girls and I still do. Not because I think I'm 'better' than the girls or anything like that, and I certainly don't think I'm pretty (and I don't own or use any make-up - what little I had my daughter nicked!). It's for the simple (to me) reasons that a) I am a natural tomboy; b) with only a brother, and no sisters, I hung around a lot with his friends, gate-crashed his Scout camps because they were more interesting that my Guide camps (they did things like canoeing, whereas the Guides didn't!); c) I'm just not 'girly' - I don't like chocolate, I hate shopping for clothes and shoes (after two big ops on both feet shoes hurt me anyway - where's the fun in them?) and I don't (as mentioned before) wear make up (don't see the point, don't need it in my field of teaching, no need to dress up and look good!) and had no interest in sitting around bitching pointlessly about who fancied who etc when I was younger.

I'm sure I could come up with other reasons, but I've never had any of the accusations leveled at me that I've read here being leveled at Luisa, never had anyone's wife or partner have a go at me because I happen to work with their husband/partner (which, as a tutor in a F.E. college, I do every day), just as they've never had anyone have a go at them because they happen to work with me. So clearly Luisa and I must be different in some important respects! Therefore, how can all girls who say they prefer to/do get on better with boys/men than other women all be 'assholes', to quote your charming phrase? My eldest daughter, at the age of 18, is exactly like I was at her age - lots of friends who are boys, no interest in clothes, shoes ofr fashion (although she does like chocolate!) but has never had an actual boyfriend and doesn't want one yet. When she got her little Saturday job at the local library she was thrilled because all the other teenagers taken on were boys because she felt relieved (yes, relieved) that she wouldn't have to talk about the 'girly' stuff on their breaks! Does that make my daughter an 'asshole' too? Or the men who of this world who are truthful enough to admit that they get on better with women than men?

If you don't like Luisa, fine, but please don't tar us all with the same brush, and don't make sweeping generalisations that have no basis in fact!

The point I'm making is that when you've got just a few hours to prepare for a day's worth of activities, one that consists of more than just baking, on which your chance on quarter of a million investment is at steak if you don't get it done, the last thing on your mind is a bloody piping tip, it's a minor, unimportant criticism, a piping tip wouldn't have saved them the task and neither would not have suggesting the cup cake making at all, the idea that Francesca was planning to go with instead would still have involved piping and would have still seen them pipeless, which would still, like here, have had no baring at all on the outcome.

Or just prefers men..