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Old 06-06-2013, 20:56
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That's a huge generalisation! I'm a girl (well, woman now) but I've always got on better with the lads than girls and I still do. Not because I think I'm 'better' than the girls or anything like that, and I certainly don't think I'm pretty (and I don't own or use any make-up - what little I had my daughter nicked!). It's for the simple (to me) reasons that a) I am a natural tomboy; b) with only a brother, and no sisters, I hung around a lot with his friends, gate-crashed his Scout camps because they were more interesting that my Guide camps (they did things like canoeing, whereas the Guides didn't!); c) I'm just not 'girly' - I don't like chocolate, I hate shopping for clothes and shoes (after two big ops on both feet shoes hurt me anyway - where's the fun in them?) and I don't (as mentioned before) wear make up (don't see the point, don't need it in my field of teaching, no need to dress up and look good!) and had no interest in sitting around bitching pointlessly about who fancied who etc when I was younger.

I'm sure I could come up with other reasons, but I've never had any of the accusations leveled at me that I've read here being leveled at Luisa, never had anyone's wife or partner have a go at me because I happen to work with their husband/partner (which, as a tutor in a F.E. college, I do every day), just as they've never had anyone have a go at them because they happen to work with me. So clearly Luisa and I must be different in some important respects! Therefore, how can all girls who say they prefer to/do get on better with boys/men than other women all be 'assholes', to quote your charming phrase? My eldest daughter, at the age of 18, is exactly like I was at her age - lots of friends who are boys, no interest in clothes, shoes ofr fashion (although she does like chocolate!) but has never had an actual boyfriend and doesn't want one yet. When she got her little Saturday job at the local library she was thrilled because all the other teenagers taken on were boys because she felt relieved (yes, relieved) that she wouldn't have to talk about the 'girly' stuff on their breaks! Does that make my daughter an 'asshole' too? Or the men who of this world who are truthful enough to admit that they get on better with women than men?

If you don't like Luisa, fine, but please don't tar us all with the same brush, and don't make sweeping generalisations that have no basis in fact!
It's weird that your defense of women that prefer male company against what you perceived was a generalised assault is in turn very generalised itself.

Women / girls aren't all shopaholics with too many shoes and an addiction to make up and chocolate who swoon all day over boys. Maybe it's because you've spent such little time with them that you have such a prejudiced view.

Despite groaning at some of Luisa's comments and the 'I'm too pretty and only get on with men' being very much groaned at I actually like her. Though that may be as a reality TV contestant rather than personally.
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Old 06-06-2013, 21:07
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That's a huge generalisation! I'm a girl (well, woman now) but I've always got on better with the lads than girls and I still do. Not because I think I'm 'better' than the girls or anything like that, and I certainly don't think I'm pretty (and I don't own or use any make-up - what little I had my daughter nicked!). It's for the simple (to me) reasons that a) I am a natural tomboy; b) with only a brother, and no sisters, I hung around a lot with his friends, gate-crashed his Scout camps because they were more interesting that my Guide camps (they did things like canoeing, whereas the Guides didn't!); c) I'm just not 'girly' - I don't like chocolate, I hate shopping for clothes and shoes (after two big ops on both feet shoes hurt me anyway - where's the fun in them?) and I don't (as mentioned before) wear make up (don't see the point, don't need it in my field of teaching, no need to dress up and look good!) and had no interest in sitting around bitching pointlessly about who fancied who etc when I was younger.

I'm sure I could come up with other reasons, but I've never had any of the accusations leveled at me that I've read here being leveled at Luisa, never had anyone's wife or partner have a go at me because I happen to work with their husband/partner (which, as a tutor in a F.E. college, I do every day), just as they've never had anyone have a go at them because they happen to work with me. So clearly Luisa and I must be different in some important respects! Therefore, how can all girls who say they prefer to/do get on better with boys/men than other women all be 'assholes', to quote your charming phrase? My eldest daughter, at the age of 18, is exactly like I was at her age - lots of friends who are boys, no interest in clothes, shoes ofr fashion (although she does like chocolate!) but has never had an actual boyfriend and doesn't want one yet. When she got her little Saturday job at the local library she was thrilled because all the other teenagers taken on were boys because she felt relieved (yes, relieved) that she wouldn't have to talk about the 'girly' stuff on their breaks! Does that make my daughter an 'asshole' too? Or the men who of this world who are truthful enough to admit that they get on better with women than men?

If you don't like Luisa, fine, but please don't tar us all with the same brush, and don't make sweeping generalisations that have no basis in fact!
I understand girls who get on better with guys than with other girls. I think some girls just have personalities that don't really click with other girls. I have a close female friend, and nearly all of her close friends are guys. She just doesn't get on very well with girls. It doesn't make her an 'asshole' and it doesn't mean that she flirts with all the guys. I see Luisa's point in that there is a lot more rivalry in The Apprentice with the girls than with the guys, and there always is. It's the same every year. She doesn't like the personality clashes and the rivalry that tends to happen when there are a lot of females in the same room, which is why she works better with men. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 06-06-2013, 21:49
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I understand girls who get on better with guys than with other girls. I think some girls just have personalities that don't really click with other girls. I have a close female friend, and nearly all of her close friends are guys. She just doesn't get on very well with girls. It doesn't make her an 'asshole' and it doesn't mean that she flirts with all the guys. I see Luisa's point in that there is a lot more rivalry in The Apprentice with the girls than with the guys, and there always is. It's the same every year. She doesn't like the personality clashes and the rivalry that tends to happen when there are a lot of females in the same room, which is why she works better with men. Nothing wrong with that.
Luisa? She seems to set out to CAUSE those clashes in the first place a lot of the time (her incredibly rude and patronising comment of ''you're just a doctor'' being a typical example.)

I'm someone who has always had close friends of both sexes. I tend to take people as individuals rather than judging them by idiotic stereotypes (not aimed at you, OP, just a general comment.)
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Old 06-06-2013, 22:02
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Luisa? She seems to set out to CAUSE those clashes in the first place a lot of the time (her incredibly rude and patronising comment of ''you're just a doctor'' being a typical example.)

I'm someone who has always had close friends of both sexes. I tend to take people as individuals rather than judging them by idiotic stereotypes (not aimed at you, OP, just a general comment.)
Actually, that is a fair point about Luisa. I think any individual girl can avoid being bitchy at certain times though, it's just when there are a lot of girls together that it sometimes gets out of hand. It usually happens with the girls' team before they get mixed up, the most memorable probably being the 'create a holiday product' in Series 6.
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Old 06-06-2013, 22:57
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Find girls who say stuff like 'I get on more with boys' to be incredibly annoying. As if all guys are one type of person and all girls are another type of person
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Old 06-06-2013, 23:02
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Luisa? She seems to set out to CAUSE those clashes in the first place a lot of the time (her incredibly rude and patronising comment of ''you're just a doctor'' being a typical example.)

I'm someone who has always had close friends of both sexes. I tend to take people as individuals rather than judging them by idiotic stereotypes (not aimed at you, OP, just a general comment.)
Exactly. IMO any female that makes a point of saying they get on with men better than women has an axe to grind. In Luisa's case she is clearly saying she is so good looking that girls are jealous and difficult with her. I get her point though find it facile and vacuous.
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Old 06-06-2013, 23:29
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Find girls who say stuff like 'I get on more with boys' to be incredibly annoying. As if all guys are one type of person and all girls are another type of person
I don't think that's what their saying, just some people do naturally get on better with people of a certain gender. Do you find girls who say that they get on better with other girls than they do with boys annoying?
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Old 06-06-2013, 23:50
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As each week passes Luisa just becomes more waspish and LAS isn’t doing his job, she needs swotting.
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Old 06-06-2013, 23:51
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The point I'm making is that when you've got just a few hours to prepare for a day's worth of activities, one that consists of more than just baking, on which your chance on quarter of a million investment is at steak if you don't get it done, the last thing on your mind is a bloody piping tip, it's a minor, unimportant criticism, a piping tip wouldn't have saved them the task and neither would not have suggesting the cup cake making at all, the idea that Francesca was planning to go with instead would still have involved piping and would have still seen them pipeless, which would still, like here, have had no baring at all on the outcome.
Details are important aswell. But yea, I agree with you in that the whole was product of the incompetence of the group from start to end, the tip thing is just one more thing from many that went wrong.
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Old 07-06-2013, 15:05
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She will make ££££ out of this whether she wins or not
I can't see it myself.
That is a heck of a lot of spiteful rubbish to extrapolate from some mildly embarrassing but really quite tame Facebook photos.
That's your view, however I'm discussing a person on the show and you are discussing me, that's not what this is for.
Additionally I formed my opinion on far more than you have assumed.

I'm not interested in anything further you have to say on the matter so I shall take steps not to see it
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:02
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That's your view, however I'm discussing a person on the show and you are discussing me, that's not what this is for.
Additionally I formed my opinion on far more than you have assumed.

I'm not interested in anything further you have to say on the matter so I shall take steps not to see it
Nope, I'm discussing something you said. Feel free to pretend otherwise and completely miss the point of a discussion forum to avoid giving me the other reasons you claim to have for being so needlessly nasty and personal though.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:14
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What I don't understand is why would Luisa date Jordan?

I mean Jordan seems like an awfully nice fellow but let's be brutally honest he's never in Luisa's league. Plus when it comes to intelligent, attractive girls like Luisa you need to be more than an awfully nice fellow.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:31
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As each week passes Luisa just becomes more waspish and LAS isn’t doing his job, she needs swotting.
This ^. She is an awful person.
Her "you're just a doctor" comment was jaw-droppingly chavvy and indicative of Luisa's dubious scale of what can be achieved in life.
And yes,of course she gets on better with 'boys'. Many are happy to be led around by a part of their anatomy other than their hand . You only have to read some comments on here to see that.
We get it,she looks pretty. Not as pretty as she thinks though.
Add her willingness to pose in raunchy FB pics and she automatically qualifies for support from a certain percentage of the male viewers uninterested in her business capabilities.
Sex sells, such is life .
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:31
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What I don't understand is why would Luisa date Jordan?

I mean Jordan seems like an awfully nice fellow but let's be brutally honest he's never in Luisa's league. Plus when it comes to intelligent, attractive girls like Luisa you need to be more than an awfully nice fellow.
Maybe not if you're on the same show and can guarantee publicity when it's being aired.

I am aware that I may sound a little cynical here.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:14
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Keep hearing about this Louisa, don't know who she is?

Her name is Luisa, at least get it right if your going to criticise her
We'll take the "o" out of "Louisa" when she puts the "t" back in "event". Incredibly irritating woman.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:43
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Keep hearing about this Louisa, don't know who she is?

Her name is Luisa, at least get it right if your going to criticise her
As if it it matters, it's clear who people are referring to.

I keep seeing lads defending her on here like they are her boyfriend.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:46
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And yes,of course she gets on better with 'boys'. Many are happy to be led around by a part of their anatomy other than their hand . You only have to read some comments on here to see that. .
Indeedy, it's making me laugh that we have people upset that their girl is being 'dissed'
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Old 08-06-2013, 21:16
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What I don't understand is why would Luisa date Jordan?

I mean Jordan seems like an awfully nice fellow but let's be brutally honest he's never in Luisa's league. Plus when it comes to intelligent, attractive girls like Luisa you need to be more than an awfully nice fellow.
Emotions inside a reality show feel stronger. A lot of people that has been in one agree. You go to live with 15 strangers and bonds are formed very quickly, but you never manage to know them 100% in the show, maybe if they met in normal circumstances they would've never been involved. You just have to see how long it took her to dump him after the show was over. You see a lot of couples in reality shows snogging like teens in heat and promising eternal love to each other a week after they met... and then when everything is over they put their feet on the ground again and they realise their fairytale is also over...
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Old 09-06-2013, 14:20
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As if it it matters, it's clear who people are referring to.

I keep seeing lads defending her on here like they are her boyfriend.

I'm starting to think that most of them are! They can't seem to find any flaws in anything she has said or done. When in reality there are quite a few!

And just for the record, she's probably the least attractive girl left now, her hair looks like it needs a good wash! Really don't understand all the hype on the way she looks.
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Old 09-06-2013, 17:21
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As each week passes Luisa just becomes more waspish and LAS isn’t doing his job, she needs swotting.
I totally agree. Luisa is a pain in the ar*e. Any time she has been on the winning team, has never had anything to do with her contribution. The week when she was PM was won because the rest of the team didn't listen to what she said. Yet afterwards she swanned around as if she owned the place. and it was all down to her management skills. She's a fake. But one of those dangerous people who can always cover up their failings with bullshit, and by shouting the loudest. She should've went last week. She kept saying she saved money by doing the cupcake workshop herself. Eh..yeah. But all the delegates had no idea why they were sitting decorating cakes, in order to better their communication skills. Pointless. I do believe LS has got his eye on her, and sees her as a troublemaker. She needs to go.
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Old 12-06-2013, 22:10
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cant stand her she is just one big gob
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Old 12-06-2013, 22:25
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It's weird that your defense of women that prefer male company against what you perceived was a generalised assault is in turn very generalised itself.

Women / girls aren't all shopaholics with too many shoes and an addiction to make up and chocolate who swoon all day over boys. Maybe it's because you've spent such little time with them that you have such a prejudiced.
This^. Totally ridiculous.
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