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Old 06-06-2013, 14:29
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If they'd lost, she probably would have tactically brought Natalie back because she's on her last warning. Maybe it would have been a double firing though.
Yep, probably...but on this task, Natalie did everything she was asked to do. So shouldnt have got fired. Then again there is much logic to Sugars firings.
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Old 06-06-2013, 14:35
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Yep, probably...but on this task, Natalie did everything she was asked to do. So shouldnt have got fired. Then again there is much logic to Sugars firings.
That's the point, though, isn't it? Natalie does what she's asked to do, but there's no real initiative or her actively stepping up to the plate, as Luisa and Neil both did on this task. She and Kurt cooked some beef stew which people didn't like - that's hardly a positive contribution. (I accept that she may have done stuff we didn't see, but her lack of contribution is a recurring theme pretty much every week.)

In fact, I can't easily remember one positive contribution Natalie has made to any task. She caved on the flat-pack task when she was PM. And the only times she has really come to life have been when she has been cornered in the boardroom.
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Old 06-06-2013, 14:44
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That's the point, though, isn't it? Natalie does what she's asked to do, but there's no real initiative or her actively stepping up to the plate, as Luisa and Neil both did on this task. She and Kurt cooked some beef stew which people didn't like - that's hardly a positive contribution. (I accept that she may have done stuff we didn't see, but her lack of contribution is a recurring theme pretty much every week.)

In fact, I can't easily remember one positive contribution Natalie has made to any task. She caved on the flat-pack task when she was PM. And the only times she has really come to life have been when she has been cornered in the boardroom.
In the first task, she sold some china cats or something to one of the shops. It was Sophie's pitch, but she messed it up and Natalie stepped in and saved it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 14:49
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If they'd lost, she probably would have tactically brought Natalie back because she's on her last warning. Maybe it would have been a double firing though.
I think she would've brought back Natalie for doing nothing APU, and Alex in a delicious ironic twist for being a dissenting voice on the sub-team.

Now I wish it had happened because Alex telling her she shut him down like Zee did to her the week before would've been golden.
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Old 06-06-2013, 14:51
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She was right, the back to school theme was tacky and she was also right to be against the sumo suits, for being a bit low brow for top bank exec's Which turn out to be Lord Sugar's opinion to, but she still ended up carrying the can for the sumo thing in the boardroom even though it was the boys idea . I don't know why she didn't say it wasn't her idea
Probably because she was told about going with her instincts last week, so to admit that she agreed to the sumo suits even though she thought it was a bad idea would have been an example of her not going with her instincts again.
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Old 06-06-2013, 15:06
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In the first task, she sold some china cats or something to one of the shops. It was Sophie's pitch, but she messed it up and Natalie stepped in and saved it.
Yes, you're right - although from memory it's arguable whether Natalie stepped in or butted in. It's not much to hang a hat on for six weeks of tasks though, is it?
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Old 06-06-2013, 15:16
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Yes, you're right - although from memory it's arguable whether Natalie stepped in or butted in. It's not much to hang a hat on for six weeks of tasks though, is it?
I think she stepped in, because Sophie was failing. I think Natalie was the reason they made that particular sale.

I'm probably a lone voice, but I actually think that she was a decent PM. Her big mistake was trying to go with everyone's ideas - but I like it that she at least tried, it shows that she was listening to people. The initial concept of the idea that was brought up wasn't so bad, and she recognised that and went with it. She also knew who the right people to pitch were, and she didn't insist on pitching herself like the PMs often do on that task. When asked if she was a good PM, before they found out the results, her team were generally positive. She wasn't the best PM, but I think she was at least decent.

I hope she survives at least long enough to be Project Manager a second time. If she fails at that it would be fair to fire her, but I'd like her to have one more shot at it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 15:24
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I think she stepped in, because Sophie was failing. I think Natalie was the reason they made that particular sale.

I'm probably a lone voice, but I actually think that she was a decent PM. Her big mistake was trying to go with everyone's ideas - but I like it that she at least tried, it shows that she was listening to people. The initial concept of the idea that was brought up wasn't so bad, and she recognised that and went with it. She also knew who the right people to pitch were, and she didn't insist on pitching herself like the PMs often do on that task. When asked if she was a good PM, before they found out the results, her team were generally positive. She wasn't the best PM, but I think she was at least decent.

I hope she survives at least long enough to be Project Manager a second time. If she fails at that it would be fair to fire her, but I'd like her to have one more shot at it.
We'll agree to disagree on Natalie's performance as PM. I understand what you're saying - she definitely wasn't the worst PM we've ever seen - but the end result was disastrous and the "designed by committee" criticisms she received were a direct consequence of her indecision - in much the same way Leah was criticised this week.

She looked that much worse for two reasons, I guess: firstly, the team's idea was so bad (not directly her fault) and secondly that Jordan's style as PM was so good and well-organised. The contrast between the two was painful.

(Also, during the recording of YF - this was the one I was at in person - Natalie was hammered much more than we saw in the broadcast show, which understandably focussed more on that week's firee Sophie. The industry expert, whose name I've forgotten, spoke very eloquently about the importance of having a clear vision in product innovation rather than multiple committee voices.)
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Old 07-06-2013, 00:10
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There is a big difference you seemed to have missed. When Leah got the hump with Zee, she did nothing apart from slag him of, and bitch to the guys about him. The boys last night might not have been happy with her. But they got on with the task, and in the end were the strongest on that team last night.

Leah was one of my favourites at the start, but after last week and this week..she has gone way down in my estimation. If her team lost yesterday, she would have been fired. There was no way any of the biys would have been fired and woman on the team, did what she was told. Even though she is just as useless.
I suspect that poster missed that big difference because it didn't really exist. Yes, Leah did slag Zee off, as did Neil and Alex (who got far less criticism for it). But there's nothing to suggest that the three of them weren't putting a lot of effort into the task as well.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:55
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I suspect that poster missed that big difference because it didn't really exist. Yes, Leah did slag Zee off, as did Neil and Alex (who got far less criticism for it). But there's nothing to suggest that the three of them weren't putting a lot of effort into the task as well.
...apart from the sub-team results, of course. Leah was criticised more because she seemed to be more focused on Zee than doing her job. she had shown promise early on so many of us were disappointed by her petulance getting in the way of her performance.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:06
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All can say is I am glad Leah is not my GP, with that immobile expressionless face, big lips and strange voice ... no thanks.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:44
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What I want to know is where did the Sumo suits come from?
We were told they were rejected, then hey presto it rains and 2 suits appear!
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:46
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What I want to know is where did the Sumo suits come from?
We were told they were rejected, then hey presto it rains and 2 suits appear!
Didn't Leah say that they could get them as a last resort if they had no other activities but that they wouldn't be getting the clients to put them on and wrestle.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:48
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Didn't Leah say that they could get them as a last resort if they had no other activities but that they wouldn't be getting the clients to put them on and wrestle.
Hmm....think your right, so another spend that wasn't really needed.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:50
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Leah is still a contender. She has done nothing to make Lord Sugar (or any existing customers or potential investors) think she is a total numpty,
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:57
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She is probably only has Natalie behind her now.

She doesnt listen makes poor decisions and is a poor speaker
you will be accused of sexism soon
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:23
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I'm not so keen after the last 2 weeks. And that awful pink lipstick needs to go!
It's not just the kipstick - it is also the fact they have been tampered with by bodged plastic surgery - she is horrible looking and not a nice woman.
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Old 07-06-2013, 23:44
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It's not just the kipstick - it is also the fact they have been tampered with by bodged plastic surgery - she is horrible looking and not a nice woman.
Agreed Luisa's personality takes a kicking on here but Leah just seems so unpleasant.

Yet to see her have a smile or a laugh about anything, you dont ever see any focus on her in the house before and after the tasks either
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Old 08-06-2013, 00:33
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I think she'll be a finalist, but the edit ATM is justifying to the audience the reasons why she'll eventually lose.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:59
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really disappointed in Leah. can't believe its the same girl I saw in the first couple of weeks
This.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:57
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...apart from the sub-team results, of course. Leah was criticised more because she seemed to be more focused on Zee than doing her job. she had shown promise early on so many of us were disappointed by her petulance getting in the way of her performance.
I don't think the sub-team results show that Leah's half of the team weren't trying, unless you believe that of Zee's half of the team too, as both sub-teams did equally badly, bringing back only two items each. Of course, one of Leah's sub-team's purchases was wrong, but I'm sure she didn't know that.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:10
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Terrible, terrible PM.
Her team certainly intended to show her to be a bad PM

And it's seems they fooled a lot of fools.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:11
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Agreed Luisa's personality takes a kicking on here but Leah just seems so unpleasant.

Yet to see her have a smile or a laugh about anything, you dont ever see any focus on her in the house before and after the tasks either
I see nothing unpleasant.
It's hard to be joyful when you are competing with people who are so unscrupulous.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:12
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This thread suggests that the thing people most dislike about Leah is her lips.

How meaningful.
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:02
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Sorry but if she is telling the truth about her age (24) how on earth has she completed a 5 year medical degree plus 2 years post grad qualification and surgical training?
This is the sort of thing that Claude Littner pulls to pieces in the interview stage.

Cannot see Sugar going for plastic surgery as a business venture - PIP implants scandal would put anyone off investing.

He dismissed Jade's plans for telemarketing in last year's final in seconds, as he did not like the image it would project.
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