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The change of format makes a nonsense of the show. Who cares if you can sell? Who cares if you can impress a load of tossers in a room? You are going to be in a FIFTY-FIFTY partnership with LS, he can't tell you what to do, he can't do anything. The show should be re-named 'Business-Partner' because the winners aren't apprentices.
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It isn't the same show though? The fundamental aim of the show is different.
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It isn't the same show though? The fundamental aim of the show is different.
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Which was proven by Tom winning the show despite losing about 90% of his tasks. Sugar liked his plan the best and refused to fire him, simple as that.
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Which was proven by Tom winning the show despite losing about 90% of his tasks. Sugar liked his plan the best and refused to fire him, simple as that.
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He's an inventor - what entrepreneur couldn't use one of those on staff
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He's an inventor - what entrepreneur couldn't use one of those on staff
Business plans did play a huge role in that final, but more in the result of Helen not winning than Tom winning. Lord Sugar chose Tom because he liked him and he liked his creativity and eccentricity. If it was totally on business plans, then it probably would have been Susan who was chosen. The reason she wasn't chosen was that at the time, she wasn't experienced enough and was too naive in business, but she did have undoubtedly the best plan out of the four. |
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Yet Helen who won almost every week and 'proved' herself - went home due to a crap business proposition. Which proves my point about the show being a waste of time
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Yet Helen who won almost every week and 'proved' herself - went home due to a crap business proposition. Which proves my point about the show being a waste of time
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Yet Helen who won almost every week and 'proved' herself - went home due to a crap business proposition. Which proves my point about the show being a waste of time
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I don't think that Tom was as dreadful on the tasks as people pointed out. He was extremely unlucky to be on the losing team so frequently. I think it's telling that he was on the losing team on the first five tasks, but was not in the final boardroom for any of them. I think that that says more about him that if he was on the winning team. If you're on the winning team, you could just be lucky; if you're on the losing team but aren't brought into the final boardroom, you must at least have impressed your Project Manager.
Business plans did play a huge role in that final, but more in the result of Helen not winning than Tom winning. Lord Sugar chose Tom because he liked him and he liked his creativity and eccentricity. If it was totally on business plans, then it probably would have been Susan who was chosen. The reason she wasn't chosen was that at the time, she wasn't experienced enough and was too naive in business, but she did have undoubtedly the best plan out of the four. |
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If it's a waste of time stop watching and more importantly, stop posting....
Either state your views on the topic, or you be the one to stop posting. But to address your 'comment' - While I feel the ultimate prize for winning the show does not correlate with the arduous 12 process...its still ceaselessly entertaining, and that's why I watch it! It's one of the only current shows I do watch. To broaden my point about the change of format, you can use the show 'Dragons Den'...in that show, you front up to the Millionaires with a business plan, asking for an investment, Duncan Bannatyne doesn't say 'Sure, you can have me money, but first you have to go and sell seafood on Romford market and make a huge profit, and then after that you have film an advert for suntan lotion'. The Apprentice candidates are doing the same thing as The Dragon's Den participants, they are getting an investment in their business idea. Anyone can apply for Dragon's Den.... |
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To broaden my point about the change of format, you can use the show 'Dragons Den'...in that show, you front up to the Millionaires with a business plan, asking for an investment, Duncan Bannatyne doesn't say 'Sure, you can have me money, but first you have to go and sell seafood on Romford market and make a huge profit, and then after that you have film an advert for suntan lotion'.
The Apprentice candidates are doing the same thing as The Dragon's Den participants, they are getting an investment in their business idea. Anyone can apply for Dragon's Den.... Secondly, I think that the format is a bit different. Lord Sugar owns 50% of the companies that he invests in; there is no negotiation on that. The dragons' share varies, but it's generally not more than 49% as the person pitching wants to be in charge. I think that Sugar is far more invested in the companies that he invests in than the dragons are; this is reflected in that he only invests in a small number of people per year (I was going to say one a year, but then I remembered Susan Ma.) Therefore, it makes sense that he wants to get to know more about the person and what they are like first. Plus, we don't know what the process is outside of what we see on Dragon's Den. We just see the person come up, pitch, and then see the Dragons discuss it. We don't know how long the process of deciding is. They may do very thorough checks on the person and what they're all about. |
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There are some differences - I never said there wasn't - but the ethos is very similar.
Also, someone could ask for £250,000 on the den, there's no limit to what you can ask for, though the ones asking for such a huge investment don't get it. |
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There are some differences - I never said there wasn't - but the ethos is very similar.
Also, someone could ask for £250,000 on the den, there's no limit to what you can ask for, though the ones asking for such a huge investment don't get it. |
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Ok - what's the beef here? You have clearly got a strong dislike of me, but I'm getting a little bored of your flippant blanket posts, which fail to address the topic in hand, a topic in which I and the other posters on this thread are discussing eloquently.
Either state your views on the topic, or you be the one to stop posting. But to address your 'comment' - While I feel the ultimate prize for winning the show does not correlate with the arduous 12 process...its still ceaselessly entertaining, and that's why I watch it! It's one of the only current shows I do watch. To broaden my point about the change of format, you can use the show 'Dragons Den'...in that show, you front up to the Millionaires with a business plan, asking for an investment, Duncan Bannatyne doesn't say 'Sure, you can have me money, but first you have to go and sell seafood on Romford market and make a huge profit, and then after that you have film an advert for suntan lotion'. The Apprentice candidates are doing the same thing as The Dragon's Den participants, they are getting an investment in their business idea. Anyone can apply for Dragon's Den.... |
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So - not due to almost all the 'apprentices' in his employ either having left him or sued him?
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The successful apprentices were supposed to leave him. They were supposed to learn from him, and then set up on their own. That was the point.
And going by Stella's experience...they were hardly learning from him |
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Interesting you develop an argument for the program being 'a waste of time' only after your theory that the programme format changed due to the Stella English fiasco fails miserably.:yawn: As someone who has consistently failed to formulate any reasonable argument or evidence to support your theories, not sure how you have the neck to accuse others of being ineloquent. Toodle pip.
And I stand fully behind my assertion that the format was altered after Stella began to act up. I think LS may have tired of giving people jobs, but I think Stella was the last straw, I cannot prove it, but I think it's likely as I say. The argument didn't fail, I stand by it. Clearly you are someone who has had it against me for quite some time, not sure how long you've monitored me or if you have gone under multiple names, but I think my arguments are usually pretty reasoned and I'm happy with most of the things I've said down the years. I'm not interested in your opinion of me, though, feel free to insult me at will, I'll still say my views just the same. Toodles. |
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And I stand fully behind my assertion that the format was altered after Stella began to act up. I think LS may have tired of giving people jobs, but I think Stella was the last straw, I cannot prove it, but I think it's likely as I say. The argument didn't fail, I stand by it.
They do film two endings to the series, with both the winner and the runner-up working for Lord Sugar in the meantime, so I suppose that Stella could have started clashing with Lord Sugar and his associates before she officially started working there after it was all announced - but I can't see why that would happen. Surely if she was dissatisfied then, she could have left and Chris could have won? |
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The tasks set are ultimately a waste of time if the candidate hired didn't excel at them. This is irrefutable.
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And I stand fully behind my assertion that the format was altered after Stella began to act up. I think LS may have tired of giving people jobs, but I think Stella was the last straw, I cannot prove it, but I think it's likely as I say. The argument didn't fail, I stand by it. So he doesn't have a company for people to be apprentices in. |
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Didn't it change because Sugar sold Amstrad to Sky?
So he doesn't have a company for people to be apprentices in. |
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Everyone seems to be blaming Stella. Has anyone heard her side of the story ? Remember Stella would only pursue her claim on the advice of a lawyer .
Has Stella given an interview anywhere ? ![]() Lord Sugar is within his rights, I would do the same. |
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Hopefully however, if he wins, he'll give the winnings to charity
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