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Old 09-06-2013, 00:36
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What about changing it to 'Are You Not Entertained?'.

The quote from Gladiator.
Or maybe "You can vote now but all phone lines outside Britain will be disconnected" Oh wait, they have already done that.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:38
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I'm not overly bothered but it would make more sense if the acts were at least based in Britain. On Sky's Got to Dance, a Canadian won but he was based in London so no argument there. I think there would be more of a fuss if say an American based in the US won X Factor UK.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:38
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They were entering a talent contest. If you class that as work, were Pre School working, or Asanda, Arixsandra?

I don't think a salary was being paid to them, just a prize for the winner of the talent contest.

I'm certain they aren't on a salary whilst they compete in a competition.

I agree they were not paid a salary. But thats not what your criteria set out! YOU said that they did not work here. I am pretty sure I watched a group of people WORK very hard to win!
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:39
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Or maybe "You can vote now but all phone lines outside Britain will be disconnected" Oh wait, they have already done that.
Have they?.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:40
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£250k will go far in Hungary I imagine.

Lets hope the floods pass them by.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:41
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I agree they were not paid a salary. But thats not what your criteria set out! YOU said that they did not work here. I am pretty sure I watched a group of people WORK very hard to win!
Work as in earn a wage, pay NI and taxes. Working hard to prepare yourself for your performances isn't exactly what was meant.

Living here, does not mean stay in a hotel whilst you compete in a talent contest either and then go home again.

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Old 09-06-2013, 00:41
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£250k will go far in Hungary I imagine.

Lets hope the floods pass them by.
Do you speak for all of the EDl or just your own branch?
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:45
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Do you speak for all of the EDl or just your own branch?
Steady on Chief.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:47
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Steady on Chief.
You just made a little sarcastic remark basically aluding to the fact you'd find it amusing or whatever if the floods hit Hungary and also seem to be casting your judgement on the place as somewhere of a load of peasants where £250K will "go far".

Have you ever bothered to travel beyond these tiny insignificant islands?
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:51
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Work as in earn a wage, pay NI and taxes. Working hard to prepare yourself for your performances isn't exactly what was meant.

Living here, does not mean stay in a hotel whilst you compete in a talent contest either and then go home again.

Firstly - The child acts you mentioned do not pay these taxes. Should we not allow them until they have?

Secondly, do you think they will just "go home again", or will they set up a show in the UK showcasing their talent, and in doing so pay all the taxes that com with that to the UK, knowing that they are so popular?

I have to say, this tax argument is so week
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:56
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You just made a little sarcastic remark basically aluding to the fact you'd find it amusing or whatever if the floods hit Hungary and also seem to be casting your judgement on the place as somewhere of a load of peasants where £250K will "go far".

Have you ever bothered to travel beyond these tiny insignificant islands?
You'll read your post in the morning and realise how ridiculous you sound.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:57
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Why oh why oh why is this so complex for some to get their tiny heads around.

It's so mind-numbingly simple: I'll even do it in big grown up writing for you:

BRITAIN'S (Meaning something BELONGING TO BRITAIN)

It is therefore misrepresentation and false advertising.

Change the name or the policy as both just can't exist with people with even a basic grasp of English.
Actually, Britain's in this sense is a contraction of 'Britain' and 'has'. The 'Got' does not belong to Britain. The only way it could mean belonging to Britain is if it was 'Britain's Talent'. What you're saying is the equivalent of 'His Got Talent' and not 'He's Got Talent'.
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Old 09-06-2013, 00:59
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Firstly - The child acts you mentioned do not pay these taxes. Should we not allow them until they have?

Secondly, do you think they will just "go home again", or will they set up a show in the UK showcasing their talent, and in doing so pay all the taxes that com with that to the UK, knowing that they are so popular?

I have to say, this tax argument is so week
LOL! I can't take you seriously, I really can't.

I think you know full well what I'm saying. No, now they have won they won't just go home again. I was simply covering my options in case that was bought up.

You alluded to the fact that they were working, when I state it was not work (as we know it Jim) it is rehearsing......they do not get paid for rehearsing, therefore it is not classed as 'work.'

For the record, as I've stated many times, I have wanted Attraction to win from their first audition, I think they are brilliant. BUT.........given the title of the show I do think it's a tad 'odd' for want of a better word that the winning act of Britains got talent is an act that lives and works in Hungary. They had simply flow in from Hungary to compete, and had they not have won, would simply have flown back home again to continue to live in their own country.

I have no problem at all that they weren't born on these shores of ours, none whatsoever.........but I would normally expect whoever entered to actually live here, given the title of the show. As it stands now BGT...........live in Hungary. It doesn't make sense to me.

Nothing more to it than that.

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:18
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Not really, the show's title could easily mean - Britain's Got Talent On Their TV Screens.
Is the show called "Britain's Got Talent On Their TV Screens"

No, no it isn't

The word is "Britain's" - A possessive noun with only one meaning: Something belonging to Britain.

Really some on here take the pee and would argue that water is dry just to draw attention to themselves.

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:18
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Actually, Britain's in this sense is a contraction of 'Britain' and 'has'. The 'Got' does not belong to Britain. The only way it could mean belonging to Britain is if it was 'Britain's Talent'. What you're saying is the equivalent of 'His Got Talent' and not 'He's Got Talent'.
That's how I see it too. Let's face it, the programme isn't called "Talent that is British" so does it really matter?

And at the end of the day, it was the British public who phoned in and voted for the winner, so they got what they wanted. If that many people were so offended that a Hungarian act was in the final, they only had to vote for the other acts to ensure they got a British winner. They didn't.

I think people would do better to complain about the lack of British talent .... honestly, if that is the best we have to offer, I'm glad we let in foreign acts! Especially after last year, when nobody could even beat the dog!
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:18
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LOL! I can't take you seriously, I really can't.

I think you know full well what I'm saying. No, now they have won they won't just go home again. I was simply covering my options in case that was bought up.

You alluded to the fact that they were working, when I state it was not work (as we know it Jim) it is rehearsing......they do not get paid for rehearsing, therefore it is not classed as 'work.'

For the record, as I've stated many times, I have wanted Attraction to win from their first audition, I think they are brilliant. BUT.........given the title of the show I do think it's a tad 'odd' for want of a better word that the winning act of Britains got talent is an act that lives and works in Hungary. They had simply flow in from Hungary to compete, and had they not have won, would simply have flown back home again to continue to live in their own country.

I have no problem at all that they weren't born on these shores of ours, none whatsoever.........but I would normally expect whoever entered to actually live here, given the title of the show. As it stands now BGT...........live in Hungary. It doesn't make sense to me.

Nothing more to it than that.

Well quite! You have clearly made your mind up on that.. But lets analyse it a bit -

1. They may not get paid for their rehearsing, but lets not cheat them from the fact they were working. They may not have been paid or paid taxes, but hey were working.

2. The title of the show is Britain's Got Talent... Well from my sofa, Britain had the talent! They were from Hungary, but we had them. I am proud that they chose our county to enter. Like another poster said, the show is not called Britons Talent. Now I know you're going to be pedantic about that, but is your whole argument not based on the shows title?

3. Out of curiosity, how would you deal with a group that has one member who lives outside if the UK?
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:23
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Is the show called "Britain's Got Talent On Their TV Screens"

No, no it isn't

The word is "Britain's" - A possessive noun with only one meaning: Something belonging to Britain.

Really some on here take the pee and would argue that water is dry just to draw attention to themselves.

The entertainment belongs to Britain.

And water can be dry...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:31
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[quote=tv-enthusiast;66311812]Well quite! You have clearly made your mind up on that.. But lets analyse it a bit -

1. They may not get paid for their rehearsing, but lets not cheat them from the fact they were working. They may not have been paid or paid taxes, but hey were working.

2. The title of the show is Britain's Got Talent... Well from my sofa, Britain had the talent! They were from Hungary, but we had them. I am proud that they chose our county to enter. Like another poster said, the show is not called Britons Talent. Now I know you're going to be pedantic about that, but is your whole argument not based on the shows title?

3. Out of curiosity, how would you deal with a group that has one member who lives outside if the UK?[/QUOTE]

Probably as the majority lived in Britain, then I suspect I wouldn't find it as 'odd.'

Yes, my whole argument as you put it is about the shows title. From my sofa Britain showcased a remarkable talent that came from Hungary and worthy winners they were too.

Whether you call it BGT or Britain's Talent, one would normally assume that the contestants would hail from Britain.

As we seem to have thrashed this out to the nth degree we will possibly have to agree to disagree on this matter, otherwise we will be going around in ever decreasing circles.

They do not work in this country, they came over to enter a talent contest. Whichever way you dress it up that is not classed as work and neither is rehearsing for said contest classed as work otherwise if it were, the children would be classed as working and that may cause problems with how many hours they would be allowed to work given some are only 6. Rehearsing however, they can put in as many hours as their teachers/parents deem acceptable.

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:36
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No more German Shepherd dog acts..
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:10
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Actually, Britain's in this sense is a contraction of 'Britain' and 'has'. The 'Got' does not belong to Britain. The only way it could mean belonging to Britain is if it was 'Britain's Talent'. What you're saying is the equivalent of 'His Got Talent' and not 'He's Got Talent'.
Is the show called "Britain's Got Talent On Their TV Screens"

No, no it isn't

The word is "Britain's" - A possessive noun with only one meaning: Something belonging to Britain.

Really some on here take the pee and would argue that water is dry just to draw attention to themselves.

You're wrong Roland Mouse. See my explanation above - which you conveniently ignored.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:19
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Our German Queen and her Greek consort are outraged
so the queen, a woman born in london, england, is german simply because she has german ancestors, are you saying that a person has to have a purely british family tree to be considered british, the nazi's had a similar philosophy, sounds like you are the one who is racist...
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:35
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Why oh why oh why is this so complex for some to get their tiny heads around.

It's so mind-numbingly simple: I'll even do it in big grown up writing for you:

BRITAIN'S (Meaning something BELONGING TO BRITAIN)

It is therefore misrepresentation and false advertising.

Change the name or the policy as both just can't exist with people with even a basic grasp of English.
Why oh why oh why is this so complex for some to get their tiny heads around.

It's so mind-numbingly simple: I'll even do it in big grown up writing for you:

BRITAIN'S MEANS WHATEVER THE BGT PRODUCTION COMPANY CHOSE IT TO MEAN. They have an entrance criteria that they will have made public and which they will apply to all entrants. You may not agree with it but the entrants will have signed up to. So based on that, as ticked off as you may be, Attraction have met the criteria and are worthy winners. Is that clear now?
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:11
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The 'Got' does not belong to Britain. The only way it could mean belonging to Britain is if it was 'Britain's Talent'. What you're saying is the equivalent of 'His Got Talent' and not 'He's Got Talent'.
Confusing! So are you saying that the title equates to "There is talent in Britain", which could refer to foreigners in the country, rather than "There is British talent"?
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:17
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Do you pay the same respects to Premier League football teams with foreign born players? Should only British born players play in British sports?
That's an excellent point not to mention that we have a multicultural society in Britain.
Attraction won regardless of where they came from. They were the most popular act and got the most votes. The Queen is going to love their act.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:48
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Our German Queen and her Greek consort are outraged
Would that be our German Queen Elizabeth II that was born in Mayfair, London perchance?

Agreed. Or her father, who was born in Norfolk, her grandfather who was born at Marlborough House in Westminster or her great grandfather who was born in Buckingham Palace, which takes us back to Queen Victoria born in 1819 at Kensington Palace whose father was born at Buckingham Palace in 1767.

We could go on but that's 246 years of lineage. And you claim the Queen is German.

By that logic no-one should worry who enters the contest.
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