Why do we have to have so many different internet players

MeMeMeI · 09-06-2013, 00:21

Why do we have to have so many different internet players

iPlayer

ITV Player

4OD

Etc

Why can we not have just one player on your box and then just select the channel you want?

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 00:24

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Originally Posted by MeMeMeI

Why do we have to have so many different internet players

iPlayer

ITV Player

4OD

Etc

Why can we not have just one player on your box and then just select the channel you want?

That would be called YouView, then.

Do keep up dear chap.

TVPaulD · 09-06-2013, 02:08

We were going to. It was called Project Kangaroo, and it was going to be awesome. Then regulatory burdens sunk it in its original form, and it emerged as two less impressive things: SeeSaw (Now defunct) and, much later, YouView - which is decent, but the "choice" of boxes leaves a lot to be desired and while the boxes you can get are nice, they're either pricy or require subscription sign-ups.

Quite why the broadcasters are not making more effort to make their catchup services available and of consistent quality on more platforms escapes me though.

Greyowl · 09-06-2013, 10:44

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Originally Posted by TVPaulD

Quite why the broadcasters are not making more effort to make their catchup services available and of consistent quality on more platforms escapes me though.

Simple, money.
BBC get their income via the TV license fee,
Sky TV have their subscription charge.
The others don't have anywhere near the same amount to invest in streaming services.
That's why until quite recently ITV/4/5 catchup services have been mostly browser based rather than expensive custom portals.

ovbg · 09-06-2013, 11:56

It will come, probably in the guise of a Hulu UK. They will do much like what they offer in the US, a free basic service available only on the PC, and a paid version for other devices. Like the US one which accumulates various separate US catch-up services (though not all), it will likely do the same for UK services, so expect 4oD, ITV etc all to have their material available.

Keep in mind a couple of issues they will have though.

1) Unlike our American friends who are used to having to pay for almost anything related in television, how many UK viewers will be willing to pay Hulu a monthly fee just to have what they could have for free from the individual catch-up service?
2) How will the BBC handle Hulu Plus. They would have to be still free on Hulu Plus, due to their regulations and the license fee issue, which will complicate things a little.

Also, let's not be too harsh on the UK system. Sure, there is no congregated system like Hulu (outside of YouView which is similar is some ways, but completely different in others), but the Americans have nothing like the UK's amazing free catch-up services - if you go to individual US catch-up websites from their FTA channels, you get an extremely limited, cut down version with only a fraction of their shows and almost no external platform support outside of a web browser.

The UK actually has the most advanced FTA catch-up service in the world, and not just by a little bit, but by a long shot.

(that said, the US has the most advanced subscription on-demand set-up, with Hulu Plus, Netflix, Amazon prime and more, but that is a different story)

TVPaulD · 09-06-2013, 16:35

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Originally Posted by ovbg

2) How will the BBC handle Hulu Plus. They would have to be still free on Hulu Plus, due to their regulations and the license fee issue, which will complicate things a little.

My guess is, in that eventuality, BBC Worldwide would supply archive content to the Plus tier, with the BBC Catchup stuff entirely free, even on mobile devices.

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 18:11

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Originally Posted by TVPaulD

My guess is, in that eventuality, BBC Worldwide would supply archive content to the Plus tier, with the BBC Catchup stuff entirely free, even on mobile devices.

What a bloody good idea that is. Quite credible too. As the BBC do now offer commercial content within the UK. As well as the free stuff, of course.

*MikeB* · 09-06-2013, 19:03

What's wrong with YouView? It does the job perfectly.

We all have TVs, I'd rather watch YouView on one of my TVs than fire up the laptop and go to a player on the channel's website.

gother · 09-06-2013, 19:17

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Originally Posted by *MikeB*

What's wrong with YouView? It does the job perfectly.

We all have TVs, I'd rather watch YouView on one of my TVs than fire up the laptop and go to a player on the channel's website.

As somebody mentioned you either have to shell out a lot of money or get tied into a 24 month contract at the moment.
Youview is fantastic i agree but it's very expensive at the moment.

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 20:32

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Originally Posted by gother

As somebody mentioned you either have to shell out a lot of money or get tied into a 24 month contract at the moment.
Youview is fantastic i agree but it's very expensive at the moment.

No it isn't.

Its a cracking deal. Even at retail, for what you get for your money. And via TalkTalk its an 18 month contract, and via BT only 12 months. Its a no-brainer, really.

noise747 · 09-06-2013, 22:15

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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

No it isn't.

Its a cracking deal. Even at retail, for what you get for your money. And via TalkTalk its an 18 month contract, and via BT only 12 months. Its a no-brainer, really.

But even on you view it is still separate players, each one still got the problems that they normally got. like ITv picture quality and endless adverts are the same, it you use a Youview box or Ps3.

While the price have come down a bit, you are still looking at over £200, which is a fair bit of money for a glorified PVR, still over £40 more than a digital stream.

It is not a no brainer at all, for a start you need to go with one of these Isps to start with and secondly it cost you more BT is another fiver a month on top of normal broadband and Talk Talk, you got to move up tot he plus package which again costs more than the standard package.

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 22:45

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Originally Posted by noise747

But even on you view it is still separate players, each one still got the problems that they normally got. like ITv picture quality and endless adverts are the same, it you use a Youview box or Ps3.

While the price have come down a bit, you are still looking at over £200, which is a fair bit of money for a glorified PVR, still over £40 more than a digital stream.

It is not a no brainer at all, for a start you need to go with one of these Isps to start with and secondly it cost you more BT is another fiver a month on top of normal broadband and Talk Talk, you got to move up tot he plus package which again costs more than the standard package.

You've not got a clue really, have you? You don't even watch TV. And pay through the nose for your BB services, too.

gother · 09-06-2013, 22:47

i give up lol.

I had talktalk youview box i was a trialist i got rid of it after the trial because talktalk wanted me to sign a 24 month contract. I was a exsisting customer though.

"Subject to status, acceptance & availability in your area. 18 month min term & conditions apply credit check may apply; existing Plus customers subject to 24 month contract. Payment by Direct Debit only. You must take TalkTalk line rental. Plus TV, broadband & phone customers entitled to a free YouView box. £200 charge applies for your YouView TV box if you leave in your minimum term. YouView subject to aerial reception, minimum line speed of 3mbps (5mbps for TV Boosts). Calls to 0871 will cost no more than 10.22p/min & to 070 no more than 48.50p/min. All chargeable calls subject to 13.87p connection fee. If you already have a Set top box and do not want our FREE Set top box we will be unable to process your order online, please call us on the number above. All info and prices correct at time of going to print. For full terms & conditions please visit http://www.talktalk.co.uk/policies & for prices visit http://talktalk.co.uk/pricing. "http://sales.talktalk.co.uk/

BT is a 18 month contract not 12 - http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...ts/tv/packages add on £49 fee for setup too.
Youview itself is a cracking piece of kit but it'd be much much cheaper to buy something such as Roku or a WD streaming device etc.

I personally have my pc connected to my tv direct but that's because it suits me better with using vpns etc.
You can get a netbook cheaper than a Youview box.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1021961.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:6364666262|tsid:41408|cid:130172942|lid:50304415862|nw:g|crid:26276386742|rnd:1213503277857813484|dvc:c|adp:1o1

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 22:55

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Originally Posted by gother

i give up lol. BT is a 18 month contract not 12 - http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...ts/tv/packages add on £49 fee for setup too.

Youview itself is a cracking piece of kit but it'd be much much cheaper to buy something such as Roku or a WD streaming device etc.

I personally have my pc connected to my tv direct but that's because it suits me better with using vpns etc.
You can get a netbook cheaper than a Youview box.

Which is the whole point of YouView. A box for the masses, not the fiddly technical things you do. Connect this, connect that, use this service, use that. It's an all-in-one box. Won't suit some, but will suit many.

And it's the BB contract thats 18 months, not the YouView one.

gother · 09-06-2013, 23:03

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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Which is the whole point of YouView. A box for the masses, not the fiddly technical things you do. Connect this, connect that, use this service, use that. It's an all-in-one box. Won't suit some, but will suit many.

And it's the BB contract thats 18 months, not the YouView one.

Let's agree to different things suit different people

all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol.
I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion.

noise747 · 09-06-2013, 23:26

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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

You've not got a clue really, have you? You don't even watch TV. And pay through the nose for your BB services, too.

I do have a clue. Not watching Tv makes no difference. i have seen a you view box in action and yes it works ok, certainly better than that heap of crap BT failed with before. But it is not integrated as such, once you get out of the guide into the players, they are all different.

i don't pay though the nose, I bet i pay less than many people on here, by the time they pay their line rental.

Talk Talk would cost me about £21 on ADSl and i would not get anywhere near the speed i do now, so paying another £8 for over twice the speed is not so bad. ok I could add on FTTc for another tenner, but then that is costing me more than what I am paying now and I would be giving my money to a company I detest.

noise747 · 09-06-2013, 23:30

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Originally Posted by gother

Let's agree to different things suit different people

all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol.
I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion.

But it is easy to use as long as you don't go outside the main UI, easy enough to watch something on one of the players and easy enough to get back to the guide.
If you go out of the guide it is a different thing.

i myself use a PS3 for the once in a blue moon times I use any of the players. It suits me, the machine can do what i want, play DVDs/blue-rays, Netflix, play music and play the odd game. It is a good media centre.

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 23:43

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Originally Posted by gother

Let's agree to different things suit different people

all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol.
I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion.

Yes, thats fair enough. And thanks for the polite response.

VisionMan1 · 09-06-2013, 23:50

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Originally Posted by noise747

I do have a clue. Not watching Tv makes no difference. i have seen a you view box in action and yes it works ok, certainly better than that heap of crap BT failed with before. But it is not integrated as such, once you get out of the guide into the players, they are all different.

BT Vision a pile of crap?!? Then I shall dump it immediately!

And did you have a mate who had a mate who had a YouView box? Because if you had one, you would know not to go out of the guide to instantly get to the content you want.

Not got a clue. Mind you, being a non-TV user, I wouldn't expect you to.

gother · 10-06-2013, 02:32

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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Yes, thats fair enough. And thanks for the polite response.

You're welcome mate.

noise747 · 10-06-2013, 07:12

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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

BT Vision a pile of crap?!? Then I shall dump it immediately!

When I was looking at BT Vision, it had little content and the box was unreliable. Maybe things have changed a bit now, but it was certainly crap then.

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And did you have a mate who had a mate who had a YouView box? Because if you had one, you would know not to go out of the guide to instantly get to the content you want.

Not got a clue. Mind you, being a non-TV user, I wouldn't expect you to.

I know two people who got youview, one who have got it via Talk Talk and another who paid outright for one as they use it as a second box. i have seen the one from Talk Talk in use.
to get Talk Talk content you need to go to their player, which is not the same UI. unless he was using it wrong.

Still a pretty good system if you want it. If I went back to watching TV, I would just hook up my digital stream again.

alcockell · 10-06-2013, 11:39

As I recall - Kangaroo would have effectively been iPlayer kit playing out all the channels and content that agreed to be carried on it. Collaborative effort between all the broadcasters - the Net equiv of the PAL transmitter network (and DVB-T) that was shared-site between the Beeb and ITV before it was sold off to Arquiva.

It's turned into a common client device - but with multiple player client software...

OFCOM not understanding the concept of shared service...

09-06-2013, 00:21	#1
MeMeMeI Inactive Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 943	Why do we have to have so many different internet players Why do we have to have so many different internet players iPlayer ITV Player 4OD Etc Why can we not have just one player on your box and then just select the channel you want?

09-06-2013, 00:24	#2
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by MeMeMeI Why do we have to have so many different internet players iPlayer ITV Player 4OD Etc Why can we not have just one player on your box and then just select the channel you want? That would be called YouView, then. Do keep up dear chap.

09-06-2013, 02:08	#3
TVPaulD Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 120	We were going to. It was called Project Kangaroo, and it was going to be awesome. Then regulatory burdens sunk it in its original form, and it emerged as two less impressive things: SeeSaw (Now defunct) and, much later, YouView - which is decent, but the "choice" of boxes leaves a lot to be desired and while the boxes you can get are nice, they're either pricy or require subscription sign-ups. Quite why the broadcasters are not making more effort to make their catchup services available and of consistent quality on more platforms escapes me though.

09-06-2013, 10:44	#4
Greyowl Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 354	Quote: Originally Posted by TVPaulD Quite why the broadcasters are not making more effort to make their catchup services available and of consistent quality on more platforms escapes me though. Simple, money. BBC get their income via the TV license fee, Sky TV have their subscription charge. The others don't have anywhere near the same amount to invest in streaming services. That's why until quite recently ITV/4/5 catchup services have been mostly browser based rather than expensive custom portals.

09-06-2013, 11:56	#5
ovbg Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,348	It will come, probably in the guise of a Hulu UK. They will do much like what they offer in the US, a free basic service available only on the PC, and a paid version for other devices. Like the US one which accumulates various separate US catch-up services (though not all), it will likely do the same for UK services, so expect 4oD, ITV etc all to have their material available. Keep in mind a couple of issues they will have though. 1) Unlike our American friends who are used to having to pay for almost anything related in television, how many UK viewers will be willing to pay Hulu a monthly fee just to have what they could have for free from the individual catch-up service? 2) How will the BBC handle Hulu Plus. They would have to be still free on Hulu Plus, due to their regulations and the license fee issue, which will complicate things a little. Also, let's not be too harsh on the UK system. Sure, there is no congregated system like Hulu (outside of YouView which is similar is some ways, but completely different in others), but the Americans have nothing like the UK's amazing free catch-up services - if you go to individual US catch-up websites from their FTA channels, you get an extremely limited, cut down version with only a fraction of their shows and almost no external platform support outside of a web browser. The UK actually has the most advanced FTA catch-up service in the world, and not just by a little bit, but by a long shot. (that said, the US has the most advanced subscription on-demand set-up, with Hulu Plus, Netflix, Amazon prime and more, but that is a different story)

09-06-2013, 16:35	#6
TVPaulD Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 120	Quote: Originally Posted by ovbg 2) How will the BBC handle Hulu Plus. They would have to be still free on Hulu Plus, due to their regulations and the license fee issue, which will complicate things a little. My guess is, in that eventuality, BBC Worldwide would supply archive content to the Plus tier, with the BBC Catchup stuff entirely free, even on mobile devices.

09-06-2013, 18:11	#7
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by TVPaulD My guess is, in that eventuality, BBC Worldwide would supply archive content to the Plus tier, with the BBC Catchup stuff entirely free, even on mobile devices. What a bloody good idea that is. Quite credible too. As the BBC do now offer commercial content within the UK. As well as the free stuff, of course.

09-06-2013, 19:03	#8
MikeB Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 4,807	What's wrong with YouView? It does the job perfectly. We all have TVs, I'd rather watch YouView on one of my TVs than fire up the laptop and go to a player on the channel's website.

09-06-2013, 19:17	#9
gother Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Venus and Mars Posts: 9,027	Quote: Originally Posted by MikeB What's wrong with YouView? It does the job perfectly. We all have TVs, I'd rather watch YouView on one of my TVs than fire up the laptop and go to a player on the channel's website. As somebody mentioned you either have to shell out a lot of money or get tied into a 24 month contract at the moment. Youview is fantastic i agree but it's very expensive at the moment.

09-06-2013, 20:32	#10
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by gother As somebody mentioned you either have to shell out a lot of money or get tied into a 24 month contract at the moment. Youview is fantastic i agree but it's very expensive at the moment. No it isn't. Its a cracking deal. Even at retail, for what you get for your money. And via TalkTalk its an 18 month contract, and via BT only 12 months. Its a no-brainer, really.

09-06-2013, 22:15	#11
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 No it isn't. Its a cracking deal. Even at retail, for what you get for your money. And via TalkTalk its an 18 month contract, and via BT only 12 months. Its a no-brainer, really. But even on you view it is still separate players, each one still got the problems that they normally got. like ITv picture quality and endless adverts are the same, it you use a Youview box or Ps3. While the price have come down a bit, you are still looking at over £200, which is a fair bit of money for a glorified PVR, still over £40 more than a digital stream. It is not a no brainer at all, for a start you need to go with one of these Isps to start with and secondly it cost you more BT is another fiver a month on top of normal broadband and Talk Talk, you got to move up tot he plus package which again costs more than the standard package.

09-06-2013, 22:45	#12
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 But even on you view it is still separate players, each one still got the problems that they normally got. like ITv picture quality and endless adverts are the same, it you use a Youview box or Ps3. While the price have come down a bit, you are still looking at over £200, which is a fair bit of money for a glorified PVR, still over £40 more than a digital stream. It is not a no brainer at all, for a start you need to go with one of these Isps to start with and secondly it cost you more BT is another fiver a month on top of normal broadband and Talk Talk, you got to move up tot he plus package which again costs more than the standard package. You've not got a clue really, have you? You don't even watch TV. And pay through the nose for your BB services, too.

09-06-2013, 22:47	#13
gother Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Venus and Mars Posts: 9,027	i give up lol. I had talktalk youview box i was a trialist i got rid of it after the trial because talktalk wanted me to sign a 24 month contract. I was a exsisting customer though. "Subject to status, acceptance & availability in your area. 18 month min term & conditions apply credit check may apply; existing Plus customers subject to 24 month contract. Payment by Direct Debit only. You must take TalkTalk line rental. Plus TV, broadband & phone customers entitled to a free YouView box. £200 charge applies for your YouView TV box if you leave in your minimum term. YouView subject to aerial reception, minimum line speed of 3mbps (5mbps for TV Boosts). Calls to 0871 will cost no more than 10.22p/min & to 070 no more than 48.50p/min. All chargeable calls subject to 13.87p connection fee. If you already have a Set top box and do not want our FREE Set top box we will be unable to process your order online, please call us on the number above. All info and prices correct at time of going to print. For full terms & conditions please visit http://www.talktalk.co.uk/policies & for prices visit http://talktalk.co.uk/pricing. "http://sales.talktalk.co.uk/ BT is a 18 month contract not 12 - http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...ts/tv/packages add on £49 fee for setup too. Youview itself is a cracking piece of kit but it'd be much much cheaper to buy something such as Roku or a WD streaming device etc. I personally have my pc connected to my tv direct but that's because it suits me better with using vpns etc. You can get a netbook cheaper than a Youview box. http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1021961.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:6364666262\|tsid:41408\|cid:130172942\|lid:50304415862\|nw:g\|crid:26276386742\|rnd:1213503277857813484\|dvc:c\|adp:1o1

09-06-2013, 22:55	#14
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by gother i give up lol. BT is a 18 month contract not 12 - http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...ts/tv/packages add on £49 fee for setup too. Youview itself is a cracking piece of kit but it'd be much much cheaper to buy something such as Roku or a WD streaming device etc. I personally have my pc connected to my tv direct but that's because it suits me better with using vpns etc. You can get a netbook cheaper than a Youview box. Which is the whole point of YouView. A box for the masses, not the fiddly technical things you do. Connect this, connect that, use this service, use that. It's an all-in-one box. Won't suit some, but will suit many. And it's the BB contract thats 18 months, not the YouView one.

09-06-2013, 23:03	#15
gother Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Venus and Mars Posts: 9,027	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 Which is the whole point of YouView. A box for the masses, not the fiddly technical things you do. Connect this, connect that, use this service, use that. It's an all-in-one box. Won't suit some, but will suit many. And it's the BB contract thats 18 months, not the YouView one. Let's agree to different things suit different people all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol. I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion.

09-06-2013, 23:26	#16
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 You've not got a clue really, have you? You don't even watch TV. And pay through the nose for your BB services, too. I do have a clue. Not watching Tv makes no difference. i have seen a you view box in action and yes it works ok, certainly better than that heap of crap BT failed with before. But it is not integrated as such, once you get out of the guide into the players, they are all different. i don't pay though the nose, I bet i pay less than many people on here, by the time they pay their line rental. Talk Talk would cost me about £21 on ADSl and i would not get anywhere near the speed i do now, so paying another £8 for over twice the speed is not so bad. ok I could add on FTTc for another tenner, but then that is costing me more than what I am paying now and I would be giving my money to a company I detest.

09-06-2013, 23:30	#17
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by gother Let's agree to different things suit different people all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol. I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion. But it is easy to use as long as you don't go outside the main UI, easy enough to watch something on one of the players and easy enough to get back to the guide. If you go out of the guide it is a different thing. i myself use a PS3 for the once in a blue moon times I use any of the players. It suits me, the machine can do what i want, play DVDs/blue-rays, Netflix, play music and play the odd game. It is a good media centre.

09-06-2013, 23:43	#18
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by gother Let's agree to different things suit different people all my pc is connected to tv by is a hdmi cable but in youviews defence not all pcs have a HDMI socket so what works for one person may not work for another if that makes sense? lol. I personally still think Youview is expensive for what it actually is but this is just my opinion. Yes, thats fair enough. And thanks for the polite response.

09-06-2013, 23:50	#19
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 I do have a clue. Not watching Tv makes no difference. i have seen a you view box in action and yes it works ok, certainly better than that heap of crap BT failed with before. But it is not integrated as such, once you get out of the guide into the players, they are all different. BT Vision a pile of crap?!? Then I shall dump it immediately! And did you have a mate who had a mate who had a YouView box? Because if you had one, you would know not to go out of the guide to instantly get to the content you want. Not got a clue. Mind you, being a non-TV user, I wouldn't expect you to.

10-06-2013, 02:32	#20
gother Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Venus and Mars Posts: 9,027	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 Yes, thats fair enough. And thanks for the polite response. You're welcome mate.

10-06-2013, 07:12	#21
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 BT Vision a pile of crap?!? Then I shall dump it immediately! When I was looking at BT Vision, it had little content and the box was unreliable. Maybe things have changed a bit now, but it was certainly crap then. Quote: And did you have a mate who had a mate who had a YouView box? Because if you had one, you would know not to go out of the guide to instantly get to the content you want. Not got a clue. Mind you, being a non-TV user, I wouldn't expect you to. I know two people who got youview, one who have got it via Talk Talk and another who paid outright for one as they use it as a second box. i have seen the one from Talk Talk in use. to get Talk Talk content you need to go to their player, which is not the same UI. unless he was using it wrong. Still a pretty good system if you want it. If I went back to watching TV, I would just hook up my digital stream again.

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10-06-2013, 11:39	#22
alcockell Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 23,357	As I recall - Kangaroo would have effectively been iPlayer kit playing out all the channels and content that agreed to be carried on it. Collaborative effort between all the broadcasters - the Net equiv of the PAL transmitter network (and DVB-T) that was shared-site between the Beeb and ITV before it was sold off to Arquiva. It's turned into a common client device - but with multiple player client software... OFCOM not understanding the concept of shared service...