Apple WWDC 2013 Discussion

KieranDS · 09-06-2013, 16:40

With Apple's 2013 WWDC starting tomorrow, I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to discuss the products/services that may be unveiled over the next few days.

Mashable has posted an article listing some of the things that can be expected from the event...

http://mashable.com/2013/06/09/wwdc-...hat-to-expect/

whoever,hey · 09-06-2013, 18:16

That "go flat" in iOS7 looks like Metro

Quackers · 09-06-2013, 18:34

Im expecting something very colourful as the '7' logo on the sign has a rainbow effect and the other signs have many colours. Maybe they will announce the new cheaper iPhone in many colours or the iOS 7 changes are very to do with colour.

Mr. Cool · 09-06-2013, 19:05

Probably, more features which iOS should've gotten years ago. I also think some (maybe not all) of iOS' UI will go flat.

Also, maybe iRadio?

Aye Up · 09-06-2013, 19:56

I am looking forward to this, I have a feeling Apple will come out with a confident showing. I suspect it won't be game changing but they will be able to demonstrate that they have listened to community feedback and began implementing a change in direction and ethos at the company. I do genuinely believe however that anything iPhone related will be software only. I don't expect anything "magical" but I personally would be happy for iOS to receive a face lift and for them to also open up the API so sharing is easier within iOS similar to how it is in Android. It can't be right that I have to open up an application manually when I want to share an image or link. Only twitter and facebook are approved because they are heavily integrated. I want to see more opening up of the system to allow room for more innovation. Even dynamic icons that say updated the weather or shown how many emails were unread as opposed to the generic red circle notification. Apple doesn't have to change everything all I ask for is some progression and sadly that hasn't happened all that much of late.

IslandNiles · 09-06-2013, 20:33

Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this:

http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/

People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful.

tdenson · 09-06-2013, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandNiles

Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this:

http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/

People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful.

Good blog post, have to agree (despite my own similar Apple leanings). I was similarly optimistic when they first released it that crowd sourced feedback would result in rapid improvement. I fed back a number of mistakes 9 months ago (including a shop 200 metres from my house that hasn't existed for 20 years) and not one of them has been updated. Lost all motivation to help them improve it.

tdenson · 09-06-2013, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool

Probably, more features which iOS should've gotten years ago.

The same comment could be made about Android. I have been using both Android and IOS in equal measure for the last few months and I have been quite surprised by missing features in Android that I have taken for granted in IOS for years.

Everything Goes · 10-06-2013, 00:28

Apple really need to step their game up with regard iOS. Any of their usual "do the bare minimum" isn't going to cut it any more.

Matt D · 10-06-2013, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandNiles

Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this:

http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/

People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful.

Very good post. Good points in particular about POI inaccuracy and about how it ignores where you are located and brings up search results for the US.

IslandNiles · 10-06-2013, 00:47

Thanks for the positive comments!

If I were in charge of Apple Maps, I'd be really worried. I'd like to see figures on how many people use it, other than when the system forces them to. Apple can't go back now, but it already feels like a dead project to me. It hasn't improved, I'd be surprised if people are still using it voluntarily, and I can't see how they're going to get people to go back to it.

Matt D · 10-06-2013, 01:04

I ditched it early on for Google Maps via a webapp, and then of course started using the proper Google Maps app when that was out.

I occasionally give it a go every now and then, just to see if the POIs or searches have improved... and of course as they haven't (for me), I stick with Google Maps.

Like you, I have Apple Maps in a "pointless apps" folder on its own homescreen, with Stocks, Voice Memos, and Passbook...I also keep Safari in there as I use Chrome.

Given that Apple is unlikely to allow us to change default apps, I wish that Google would link up its own apps even more than it has already done...

The Gmail app lets you open web links in Chrome, YouTube links in YouTube, and Google Maps links in Google Maps.

The YouTube app & Google+ app both let you open web links in Chrome.

What Google should do is link them in other directions, so that if you see an email link on Chrome you can choose to use the Gmail app, or if you want to share a Google Maps location or YouTube video via email you can use the Gmail app, instead of the native Mail.app.

IslandNiles · 10-06-2013, 01:13

Did you notice that Instagram also eventually chose to bypass Apple Maps? Their 'Open in Maps' button never worked properly because of it. Someone would geotag a photo in the Instagram app (which uses the Foursquare database). You'd press the 'Open in Maps' button and Apple Maps would display the correct point on the map for about half a second then, realising it didn't recognise the location, would run a search and display a totally different location. Sometimes it would display a map of the whole world with a couple of pins in it.

Now, the 'Open in Maps' button uses the Google Maps app if you have it installed.

Matt D · 10-06-2013, 01:23

I've never used Instagram. It's good though that it can open Google Maps - I didn't realise other apps could do that, although I know that non-Google apps can open Chrome so it makes sense for that to have been expanded.

tdenson · 10-06-2013, 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandNiles

Thanks for the positive comments!

If I were in charge of Apple Maps, I'd be really worried. I'd like to see figures on how many people use it, other than when the system forces them to. Apple can't go back now, but it already feels like a dead project to me. It hasn't improved, I'd be surprised if people are still using it voluntarily, and I can't see how they're going to get people to go back to it.

It has to come good eventually as location is such an integral part of today's mobile devices, but I'm amazed at how slowly Apple are getting there.

Air Resistance · 10-06-2013, 10:44

I'm hoping they will do something to freshen up ios, although very good, i have a 1st gen ipod touch that must be worth pence and a brand new iPad that was hundreds and essentially, your getting the same feel from both devices. Must have been over 5 years ago i got my ipod too

KieranDS · 10-06-2013, 12:06

The keynote begins at 6pm.

KieranDS · 10-06-2013, 13:22

http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/

matty168 · 10-06-2013, 13:22

you can watch it live here or via an Apple TV

IslandNiles · 10-06-2013, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by matty168

you can watch it live here or via an Apple TV

Looks like streaming is once again only available on Macs and iOS.

TheBilly · 10-06-2013, 15:39

Anyone got a non quicktime stream?

KieranDS · 10-06-2013, 15:58

MacRumors.com ‏@MacRumors 56m
Apple Online Store is now down ahead of the WWDC keynote.

lettice · 10-06-2013, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBilly

Anyone got a non quicktime stream?

Ive seen that plenty will be streaming it through youtube if thats any good.

linkinpark875 · 10-06-2013, 16:53

Im hoping for more camera features.

TheBilly · 10-06-2013, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by KieranDS

http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/

Flat as a pancake. Seems to be a trend on android too, a lot of top apps are losing the 3d look.

09-06-2013, 16:40	#1
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	Apple WWDC 2013 Discussion With Apple's 2013 WWDC starting tomorrow, I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to discuss the products/services that may be unveiled over the next few days. Mashable has posted an article listing some of the things that can be expected from the event... http://mashable.com/2013/06/09/wwdc-...hat-to-expect/

09-06-2013, 18:16	#2
whoever,hey Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 30,072	That "go flat" in iOS7 looks like Metro

09-06-2013, 18:34	#3
Quackers Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,665	Im expecting something very colourful as the '7' logo on the sign has a rainbow effect and the other signs have many colours. Maybe they will announce the new cheaper iPhone in many colours or the iOS 7 changes are very to do with colour.

09-06-2013, 19:05	#4
Mr. Cool Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,482	Probably, more features which iOS should've gotten years ago. I also think some (maybe not all) of iOS' UI will go flat. Also, maybe iRadio?

09-06-2013, 19:56	#5
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	I am looking forward to this, I have a feeling Apple will come out with a confident showing. I suspect it won't be game changing but they will be able to demonstrate that they have listened to community feedback and began implementing a change in direction and ethos at the company. I do genuinely believe however that anything iPhone related will be software only. I don't expect anything "magical" but I personally would be happy for iOS to receive a face lift and for them to also open up the API so sharing is easier within iOS similar to how it is in Android. It can't be right that I have to open up an application manually when I want to share an image or link. Only twitter and facebook are approved because they are heavily integrated. I want to see more opening up of the system to allow room for more innovation. Even dynamic icons that say updated the weather or shown how many emails were unread as opposed to the generic red circle notification. Apple doesn't have to change everything all I ask for is some progression and sadly that hasn't happened all that much of late.

09-06-2013, 20:33	#6
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this: http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/ People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful.

09-06-2013, 23:31	#7
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this: http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/ People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful. Good blog post, have to agree (despite my own similar Apple leanings). I was similarly optimistic when they first released it that crowd sourced feedback would result in rapid improvement. I fed back a number of mistakes 9 months ago (including a shop 200 metres from my house that hasn't existed for 20 years) and not one of them has been updated. Lost all motivation to help them improve it.

09-06-2013, 23:35	#8
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Probably, more features which iOS should've gotten years ago. The same comment could be made about Android. I have been using both Android and IOS in equal measure for the last few months and I have been quite surprised by missing features in Android that I have taken for granted in IOS for years.

10-06-2013, 00:28	#9
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Apple really need to step their game up with regard iOS. Any of their usual "do the bare minimum" isn't going to cut it any more.

10-06-2013, 00:35	#10
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles Apple will probably have something to say about Maps and how it's supposedly got better over time. I disagree, and I've just written this: http://rantfarm.org/2013/06/09/apples-road-to-nowhere/ People who know me on here will know that I'm generally an Apple fan, but I think Maps is utterly dreadful. Very good post. Good points in particular about POI inaccuracy and about how it ignores where you are located and brings up search results for the US.

10-06-2013, 00:47	#11
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Thanks for the positive comments! If I were in charge of Apple Maps, I'd be really worried. I'd like to see figures on how many people use it, other than when the system forces them to. Apple can't go back now, but it already feels like a dead project to me. It hasn't improved, I'd be surprised if people are still using it voluntarily, and I can't see how they're going to get people to go back to it.

10-06-2013, 01:04	#12
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	I ditched it early on for Google Maps via a webapp, and then of course started using the proper Google Maps app when that was out. I occasionally give it a go every now and then, just to see if the POIs or searches have improved... and of course as they haven't (for me), I stick with Google Maps. Like you, I have Apple Maps in a "pointless apps" folder on its own homescreen, with Stocks, Voice Memos, and Passbook...I also keep Safari in there as I use Chrome. Given that Apple is unlikely to allow us to change default apps, I wish that Google would link up its own apps even more than it has already done... The Gmail app lets you open web links in Chrome, YouTube links in YouTube, and Google Maps links in Google Maps. The YouTube app & Google+ app both let you open web links in Chrome. What Google should do is link them in other directions, so that if you see an email link on Chrome you can choose to use the Gmail app, or if you want to share a Google Maps location or YouTube video via email you can use the Gmail app, instead of the native Mail.app.

10-06-2013, 01:13	#13
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Did you notice that Instagram also eventually chose to bypass Apple Maps? Their 'Open in Maps' button never worked properly because of it. Someone would geotag a photo in the Instagram app (which uses the Foursquare database). You'd press the 'Open in Maps' button and Apple Maps would display the correct point on the map for about half a second then, realising it didn't recognise the location, would run a search and display a totally different location. Sometimes it would display a map of the whole world with a couple of pins in it. Now, the 'Open in Maps' button uses the Google Maps app if you have it installed.

10-06-2013, 01:23	#14
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	I've never used Instagram. It's good though that it can open Google Maps - I didn't realise other apps could do that, although I know that non-Google apps can open Chrome so it makes sense for that to have been expanded.

10-06-2013, 08:21	#15
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles Thanks for the positive comments! If I were in charge of Apple Maps, I'd be really worried. I'd like to see figures on how many people use it, other than when the system forces them to. Apple can't go back now, but it already feels like a dead project to me. It hasn't improved, I'd be surprised if people are still using it voluntarily, and I can't see how they're going to get people to go back to it. It has to come good eventually as location is such an integral part of today's mobile devices, but I'm amazed at how slowly Apple are getting there.

10-06-2013, 10:44	#16
Air Resistance Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Northallerton, North Yorkshire Posts: 5,008	I'm hoping they will do something to freshen up ios, although very good, i have a 1st gen ipod touch that must be worth pence and a brand new iPad that was hundreds and essentially, your getting the same feel from both devices. Must have been over 5 years ago i got my ipod too

10-06-2013, 12:06	#17
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	The keynote begins at 6pm.

10-06-2013, 13:22	#18
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/

10-06-2013, 13:22	#19
matty168 Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 57	you can watch it live here or via an Apple TV

10-06-2013, 13:25	#20
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by matty168 you can watch it live here or via an Apple TV Looks like streaming is once again only available on Macs and iOS.

10-06-2013, 15:39	#21
TheBilly Inactive Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,308	Anyone got a non quicktime stream?

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10-06-2013, 15:58	#22
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	MacRumors.com ‏@MacRumors 56m Apple Online Store is now down ahead of the WWDC keynote.

10-06-2013, 16:08	#23
lettice Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 4,573	Quote: Originally Posted by TheBilly Anyone got a non quicktime stream? Ive seen that plenty will be streaming it through youtube if thats any good.

10-06-2013, 16:53	#24
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,424	Im hoping for more camera features.

10-06-2013, 17:16	#25
TheBilly Inactive Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,308	Quote: Originally Posted by KieranDS http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/ Flat as a pancake. Seems to be a trend on android too, a lot of top apps are losing the 3d look.