Do you like iOS7?

JasonWatkins · 12-06-2013, 23:27

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Only PC malware thatta way

Says who?

alanwarwic · 12-06-2013, 23:29

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Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher

I agree. Why would Apple of all companies copy that heap of junk?

The claims are as much junk as claims that went on the other way.
Things catch up, move ahead and then get overtaken again.

That is standard development. Theres a heck of a lot of catching up taking place though.
Will they bother catching up with the hardware too? I have my doubts there.

Gormond · 12-06-2013, 23:41

I watched the event, it looks really nice, I look forward to trying it out on my iPad 2.

JasonWatkins · 13-06-2013, 00:04

Using it now .. very nice

alanwarwic · 13-06-2013, 00:41

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

But are developers still flogging IDs?

Answer is yes then.

I guess Apple does not mind as its x number devices per developer ID and loadsa more dosh for Apple from volunteer guinea pigs.
If it runs too hot they might just make a fortune in repair bills too.

JasonWatkins · 13-06-2013, 02:05

Ok, first impressions are pretty good. Very different from iOS 6, but I suppose that's the point. The control centre is excellent, and i've already added one number to the block list

The only issue i've found so far is that the official ebay app doesn't work.

-GONZO- · 14-06-2013, 13:12

Now I've used it my first initial impressions were I didn't like it as much as thought I would.
It's staring to grow on me a little, but do have mixed feelings over different things.
I do like the control center but as I'm using an otterbox defender case its a bit more difficult to do that swipe up. It's not so much the case when your holding the phone on its side though, as while using safari and reading on DS and when I scroll the forum pages up the control center appears now and then.
Also in safari, unless there's something I'm missing it seems they've done away with the full screen view that was in iOS6.
Notes is something else I'd like to see a change in or have some option to change the theme as at the moment its a white background, but if I write an address or anything it decides is important it highlights them in bright yellow which makes it hard too see against the white background.
Unless I'm imagining things it seems that my battery life has improved considerably.(it either that or I'm just using it less than I thought)
I was dissapointed to see that I couldn't swipe to delete my emails, but found that you still can its just you need to swipe from right to left rather than left to right as I did on iOS6.

JasonWatkins · 14-06-2013, 13:16

i actually found on the first day on full charge, it did hammer my battery somewhat with the music playing I did.

anyway, i'm going back to iOS6 because the amount of lag is starting to become a problem for me - if i'm listening to music and want to look up something online, it's very noticeable.

alanwarwic · 14-06-2013, 13:44

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Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

it's very noticeable.

WIll probably improve.

Interesting though as I have still not worked out whether Apple will manage to update their Samsung SOC for the next iPhone. (logically it is Qualcomm)

I'm lightly guessing ARM seems very much to given a name and made general release on those A9+hardware Divide cores.
It is the new Cortex A12.

psionic · 14-06-2013, 14:14

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Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

i actually found on the first day on full charge, it did hammer my battery somewhat with the music playing I did.

anyway, i'm going back to iOS6 because the amount of lag is starting to become a problem for me - if i'm listening to music and want to look up something online, it's very noticeable.

I was noticing poor battery, and buggy apps - pretty much as expected. However it's been much better since I erased the phone and did a clean install of iOS7.

JasonWatkins · 14-06-2013, 14:22

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Originally Posted by psionic

I was noticing poor battery, and buggy apps - pretty much as expected. However it's been much better since I erased the phone and did a clean install of iOS7.

that's interesting. i did do a clean install though. i restored to 6.1.3 and then did the 'update' to IOS7 after that.

No mind though, i'm happy to go back to 6 and wait now. It's not going to be that long i suppose, all things considered.

psionic · 14-06-2013, 14:25

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Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

that's interesting. i did do a clean install though. i restored to 6.1.3 and then did the 'update' to IOS7 after that.

No mind though, i'm happy to go back to 6 and wait now. It's not going to be that long i suppose, all things considered.

I did a erase+reset from the phone itself. Then when later connected to iTunes opted to set up as a new phone. The main hassle now is wireless iTunes sync doesn't seem to work anymore. Oh well hopefully beta 2 is better.

PencilBreath · 14-06-2013, 14:27

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

And hopefully the core Apple base who have stuck with Apple for years leave and go elsewhere and show Apple they can't just churn out any old rubbish and expect a profit.

I wouldn't hold your breath, if you believe cnet etc they are shipping low cost parts now from China for their expected lower end range of devices.

alanwarwic · 14-06-2013, 14:29

What I would like to know is how it got all the journalists parrot trained on the word "Skeuomorphic".

Adopted Apple words have a fascinating marketing history.
The weird question here is why they are almost using it to stain IOS 6.

I suppose now IOS 6 is going, journalists can slag it off with Apple's full approval.
Cuts some risk in having a 'WIndows 8' day I guess.

That GUI design of course is beta. so obviously they will say its in flux when they simply abandon that kindergarten look.

calico_pie · 14-06-2013, 14:45

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Originally Posted by -GONZO-

Now I've used it my first initial impressions were I didn't like it as much as thought I would.
It's staring to grow on me a little, but do have mixed feelings over different things.
I do like the control center but as I'm using an otterbox defender case its a bit more difficult to do that swipe up. It's not so much the case when your holding the phone on its side though, as while using safari and reading on DS and when I scroll the forum pages up the control center appears now and then.
Also in safari, unless there's something I'm missing it seems they've done away with the full screen view that was in iOS6.
Notes is something else I'd like to see a change in or have some option to change the theme as at the moment its a white background, but if I write an address or anything it decides is important it highlights them in bright yellow which makes it hard too see against the white background.
Unless I'm imagining things it seems that my battery life has improved considerably.(it either that or I'm just using it less than I thought)
I was dissapointed to see that I couldn't swipe to delete my emails, but found that you still can its just you need to swipe from right to left rather than left to right as I did on iOS6.

With Safari, when you scroll a page, it goes to full screen. Or near as - it just has the status icons and URL at the top.

With Notes, they should really add folders, and the ability to sort alphabetically as well as by date.

Although I've been using Catch which I really like.

JasonWatkins · 14-06-2013, 15:19

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Originally Posted by psionic

I did a erase+reset from the phone itself.

aha .. i didn't do that .. now you've got me tempted to try it to see if it's any better .. heh

JasonWatkins · 19-06-2013, 10:08

This looks interesting ..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...developer.html

Sub-folders is a good idea. The animation and graphical tweaks, if true, are also a nice touch.

-GONZO- · 19-06-2013, 10:17

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Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

This looks interesting ..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...developer.html

Sub-folders is a good idea. The animation and graphical tweaks, if true, are also a nice touch.

I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release.

JasonWatkins · 19-06-2013, 10:20

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Originally Posted by -GONZO-

I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release.

Oh most definitely. It will be a huge surprise if they allow the deletion of any of the stock apps.

alanwarwic · 19-06-2013, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by PencilBreath

if you believe cnet etc they are shipping low cost parts now from China for their expected lower end range of devices.

Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets.
The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS.
So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium?

Gormond · 19-06-2013, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets.
The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS.
So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium?

With actively tuned antennas you can always achieve the optimal standing wave ratio so I doubt there will be any noticeable difference.

alan1302 · 19-06-2013, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets.
The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS.
So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium?

There have been plastic iPhones before you know

alanwarwic · 19-06-2013, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

With actively tuned antennas you can always achieve the optimal standing wave ratio so I doubt there will be any noticeable difference.

Compensation tuning runs into difficuties as we well know from that disaterous Gadget Show review.

Another bonus is that you will also get improved standby life, something badly needed by the more occasional user.

psionic · 19-06-2013, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by -GONZO-

I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release.

Indeed. But it now does allow you to hide NewsStand etc in a folder.

whoever,hey · 20-06-2013, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by psionic

Indeed. But it now does allow you to hide NewsStand etc in a folder.

You could always hide them in folders. It was the known crap work around.

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12-06-2013, 23:27	#76
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Only PC malware thatta way Says who?

12-06-2013, 23:29	#77
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher I agree. Why would Apple of all companies copy that heap of junk? The claims are as much junk as claims that went on the other way. Things catch up, move ahead and then get overtaken again. That is standard development. Theres a heck of a lot of catching up taking place though. Will they bother catching up with the hardware too? I have my doubts there.

12-06-2013, 23:41	#78
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	I watched the event, it looks really nice, I look forward to trying it out on my iPad 2.

13-06-2013, 00:04	#79
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Using it now .. very nice

13-06-2013, 00:41	#80
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic But are developers still flogging IDs? Answer is yes then. I guess Apple does not mind as its x number devices per developer ID and loadsa more dosh for Apple from volunteer guinea pigs. If it runs too hot they might just make a fortune in repair bills too.

13-06-2013, 02:05	#81
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Ok, first impressions are pretty good. Very different from iOS 6, but I suppose that's the point. The control centre is excellent, and i've already added one number to the block list The only issue i've found so far is that the official ebay app doesn't work.

14-06-2013, 13:12	#82
-GONZO- Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 8,954	Now I've used it my first initial impressions were I didn't like it as much as thought I would. It's staring to grow on me a little, but do have mixed feelings over different things. I do like the control center but as I'm using an otterbox defender case its a bit more difficult to do that swipe up. It's not so much the case when your holding the phone on its side though, as while using safari and reading on DS and when I scroll the forum pages up the control center appears now and then. Also in safari, unless there's something I'm missing it seems they've done away with the full screen view that was in iOS6. Notes is something else I'd like to see a change in or have some option to change the theme as at the moment its a white background, but if I write an address or anything it decides is important it highlights them in bright yellow which makes it hard too see against the white background. Unless I'm imagining things it seems that my battery life has improved considerably.(it either that or I'm just using it less than I thought) I was dissapointed to see that I couldn't swipe to delete my emails, but found that you still can its just you need to swipe from right to left rather than left to right as I did on iOS6.

14-06-2013, 13:16	#83
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	i actually found on the first day on full charge, it did hammer my battery somewhat with the music playing I did. anyway, i'm going back to iOS6 because the amount of lag is starting to become a problem for me - if i'm listening to music and want to look up something online, it's very noticeable.

14-06-2013, 13:44	#84
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by JasonWatkins it's very noticeable. WIll probably improve. Interesting though as I have still not worked out whether Apple will manage to update their Samsung SOC for the next iPhone. (logically it is Qualcomm) I'm lightly guessing ARM seems very much to given a name and made general release on those A9+hardware Divide cores. It is the new Cortex A12.

14-06-2013, 14:14	#85
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by JasonWatkins i actually found on the first day on full charge, it did hammer my battery somewhat with the music playing I did. anyway, i'm going back to iOS6 because the amount of lag is starting to become a problem for me - if i'm listening to music and want to look up something online, it's very noticeable. I was noticing poor battery, and buggy apps - pretty much as expected. However it's been much better since I erased the phone and did a clean install of iOS7.

14-06-2013, 14:22	#86
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic I was noticing poor battery, and buggy apps - pretty much as expected. However it's been much better since I erased the phone and did a clean install of iOS7. that's interesting. i did do a clean install though. i restored to 6.1.3 and then did the 'update' to IOS7 after that. No mind though, i'm happy to go back to 6 and wait now. It's not going to be that long i suppose, all things considered.

14-06-2013, 14:25	#87
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by JasonWatkins that's interesting. i did do a clean install though. i restored to 6.1.3 and then did the 'update' to IOS7 after that. No mind though, i'm happy to go back to 6 and wait now. It's not going to be that long i suppose, all things considered. I did a erase+reset from the phone itself. Then when later connected to iTunes opted to set up as a new phone. The main hassle now is wireless iTunes sync doesn't seem to work anymore. Oh well hopefully beta 2 is better.

14-06-2013, 14:27	#88
PencilBreath Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Here. Posts: 3,345	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 And hopefully the core Apple base who have stuck with Apple for years leave and go elsewhere and show Apple they can't just churn out any old rubbish and expect a profit. I wouldn't hold your breath, if you believe cnet etc they are shipping low cost parts now from China for their expected lower end range of devices.

14-06-2013, 14:29	#89
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	What I would like to know is how it got all the journalists parrot trained on the word "Skeuomorphic". Adopted Apple words have a fascinating marketing history. The weird question here is why they are almost using it to stain IOS 6. I suppose now IOS 6 is going, journalists can slag it off with Apple's full approval. Cuts some risk in having a 'WIndows 8' day I guess. That GUI design of course is beta. so obviously they will say its in flux when they simply abandon that kindergarten look.

14-06-2013, 14:45	#90
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by -GONZO- Now I've used it my first initial impressions were I didn't like it as much as thought I would. It's staring to grow on me a little, but do have mixed feelings over different things. I do like the control center but as I'm using an otterbox defender case its a bit more difficult to do that swipe up. It's not so much the case when your holding the phone on its side though, as while using safari and reading on DS and when I scroll the forum pages up the control center appears now and then. Also in safari, unless there's something I'm missing it seems they've done away with the full screen view that was in iOS6. Notes is something else I'd like to see a change in or have some option to change the theme as at the moment its a white background, but if I write an address or anything it decides is important it highlights them in bright yellow which makes it hard too see against the white background. Unless I'm imagining things it seems that my battery life has improved considerably.(it either that or I'm just using it less than I thought) I was dissapointed to see that I couldn't swipe to delete my emails, but found that you still can its just you need to swipe from right to left rather than left to right as I did on iOS6. With Safari, when you scroll a page, it goes to full screen. Or near as - it just has the status icons and URL at the top. With Notes, they should really add folders, and the ability to sort alphabetically as well as by date. Although I've been using Catch which I really like.

14-06-2013, 15:19	#91
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic I did a erase+reset from the phone itself. aha .. i didn't do that .. now you've got me tempted to try it to see if it's any better .. heh

19-06-2013, 10:08	#92
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	This looks interesting .. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...developer.html Sub-folders is a good idea. The animation and graphical tweaks, if true, are also a nice touch.

19-06-2013, 10:17	#93
-GONZO- Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 8,954	Quote: Originally Posted by JasonWatkins This looks interesting .. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...developer.html Sub-folders is a good idea. The animation and graphical tweaks, if true, are also a nice touch. I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release.

19-06-2013, 10:20	#94
JasonWatkins Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 53,670	Quote: Originally Posted by -GONZO- I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release. Oh most definitely. It will be a huge surprise if they allow the deletion of any of the stock apps.

19-06-2013, 12:39	#95
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by PencilBreath if you believe cnet etc they are shipping low cost parts now from China for their expected lower end range of devices. Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets. The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS. So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium?

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19-06-2013, 12:43	#96
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets. The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS. So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium? With actively tuned antennas you can always achieve the optimal standing wave ratio so I doubt there will be any noticeable difference.

19-06-2013, 12:56	#97
alan1302 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: West Yorks Posts: 6,180	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Probably just code for 'non metal'. It would be hard to justify going backwards on the dual core chipsets. The weird thing here is that a 'low cost plastic phone' is likely to have better reception and better GPS. So what do Appe then do, if non premium works better than premium? There have been plastic iPhones before you know

19-06-2013, 12:57	#98
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond With actively tuned antennas you can always achieve the optimal standing wave ratio so I doubt there will be any noticeable difference. Compensation tuning runs into difficuties as we well know from that disaterous Gadget Show review. Another bonus is that you will also get improved standby life, something badly needed by the more occasional user.

19-06-2013, 23:17	#99
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by -GONZO- I bet being able to delete the likes of Newstand won't be achievable in the official release. Indeed. But it now does allow you to hide NewsStand etc in a folder.

20-06-2013, 00:10	#100
whoever,hey Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 30,072	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic Indeed. But it now does allow you to hide NewsStand etc in a folder. You could always hide them in folders. It was the known crap work around.