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Old 12-06-2013, 10:16
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FIrst up EA Denies Asking Microsoft For Used Games DRM

http://kotaku.com/ea-denies-asking-m...-drm-512779915

"EA has never had a conversation", he later adds, "and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."


Secondly Microsoft’s Don Mattrick has this gem talking about the compulsory connectivity requirements of Xbox One.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/1...ource=facebook

“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.
Nice slap in the face there for us Don,

Do Microsoft not want our money?
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:24
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One of the 'CBoat' insider leaks recently was that there is unease in the MS ranks about the whole thing - and that the DRM/online checks were purely a Microsoft creation.
They've been living in their bubble for too long and don't have a clue about the way these things play out in the real world.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:56
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:05
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I won't be getting a new xbox but this is another Adam Orth situation,where what Don Mattrick is saying is true but through a combination of two things he becomes the bad guy
1. nobody likes the true if it means that can't get what they want
2. he said it the most dickish way possible so people where only going to ever take his words one way
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:12
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Probably some Starbuck decafinated coffee drinking reject from The Apprentice came of with this idea.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:15
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I'm actually amazed its gone this far. Kind of reminds me of Mel Brooks film The Producers. Make a Product nobody will touch and keep the investment money yourself.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:25
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I think they're trying to be forward thinking and putting a system in place now for what's going to happen in future. We all know that eventually high speed Internet will be the norm and all games will be bought/delivered digitally rather than on disc. They probably see this as a first step but it's too soon really.

I think they underestimated how unpopular it would be, although we will have to see what sales of the Xbox One are like first to judge that. They could probably quite easily remove or relax some of the policies if it's hurting sales. Depends how stubborn they want to be about it.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:35
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Just another example of Microsoft thinking they can be as cocky and brash as Apple. As a company Microsoft are struggling for direction.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:42
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The DRM and connectivity things don't really bother me. It's the mandatory Kinect that will move me over to Sony.

I resent being forced to pay for extras that I simply don't want. It's the same reason I haven't bought anything from Game since they forced me to buy that crappy King Kong game as part of a package with the 360 when they had the stock shortages at launch.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:43
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When I read his "Dont have an internet connection, stick with the xbox 360" statement I was shocked at how ignorant a person trying to sell an expensive product could be. I read in the other article that he called people playing backward compatible games "backward". That's a great sales technique....insult the consumer?!
I haven't read many positive comments about the xbox one. Only sales will tell. It might be another Windows 8 taking away the Start button then reluctantly introducing it back but not admitting they made a mistake.

I got my own PS3 at Christmas (used my brothers before) so I won't be buying a new console for a while but when I do it will be the PS4.
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Old 12-06-2013, 13:02
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they listen to their core customers like my 13 year old..who all of a sudden wants a PS4
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Old 12-06-2013, 13:58
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Weirdly in gaming there just seems to be a time when companies just lose the plot. Sometimes it's mismanagement, sometimes it's arrogance, but it happens.

Sega's was the mid 90s with the release of the 32X, Mega CD within a short space of time and a bungled Saturn launch. They never really recovered from the damage

I'd say Nintendo's was around 1995-1996 when they released the Virtual Boy, and decided to keep Cartridges for the N64 against industry and consumer advice.

Sony 2005-2006: The $599 price tag, and some terrible advertising/PR in the early PS3 days.

It's Microsoft time to 'lose it', it's tradition for someone to
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Old 12-06-2013, 14:06
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The thing about the comment Mattrick said was that it sounded so ignorant and dismissive, like he--and Microsoft--couldn't care less about the concerns people have. At a time when the consumer confidence in the Xbox One is hardly anything to hold on a pedestal, it was an extremely cretinous thing for him to say.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:00
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Windows has given them a monopoly mentality, that fine for Windows where there is little serious competition, suicide where the competition is fierce.

@Davonator They lost it a while ago, as evidence I present Windows 8, the tie up with a failing Nokia, the Surface and Microsoft Kin, I'm sure there are other examples.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:09
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Windows has given them a monopoly mentality, that fine for Windows where there is little serious competition, suicide where the competition is fierce.

@Davonator They lost it a while ago, as evidence I present Windows 8, the tie up with a failing Nokia, the Surface and Microsoft Kin, I'm sure there are other examples.
I was speaking mainly about the gaming division rather than Microsoft Corporation. But yes in the wider sense you're right. Don't forget Zune and Vista! or the nosediving market share of IE and Hotmail....or the gargantuan anti-trust fines

Not fully having ago at MS though. Sony, Nintendo and MS all seem to be declined empires these days.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:30
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I was speaking mainly about the gaming division rather than Microsoft Corporation. But yes in the wider sense you're right. Don't forget Zune and Vista! or the nosediving market share of IE and Hotmail....or the gargantuan anti-trust fines

Not fully having ago at MS though. Sony, Nintendo and MS all seem to be declined empires these days.
There was a blog I across a while back, it belonged to an ex Microsoft employee and had tons of comments from current and ex Microsoft employees. It gave an insight into what's going wrong at the company, over the years those who know what they're doing have been replaced by marketing twonks and lawyers, none of which seem to understand the business they're in. I wish I'd bookmarked it.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:33
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There was a blog I across a while back, it belonged to an ex Microsoft employee and had tons of comments from current and ex Microsoft employees. It gave an insight into what's going wrong at the company, over the years those who know what they're doing have been replaced by marketing twonks and lawyers, none of which seem to understand the business they're in. I wish I'd bookmarked it.
This is a good read, it's a long article about the disaster Steve Ballmer has been for MS

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:56
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Nice slap in the face there for us Don,

Do Microsoft not want our money?
I don't think it is so bad that MS say that this generation of console requires an internet connection. At least they are honest about it, and really people should just use a PS3/360 era console if they need to play somewhere without internet.

Sony are just stuck trying to replicate the current generation... and from experience, how long until they change their tune? Anyone remember backwards compatible PS3s and OtherOS from their launch machines?
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:58
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Looks like MS have all but declared that they are going to plough straight through the iceberg ahead, you puny passengers just don't understand the unsinkable nature of their ship:

Microsoft has responded to the backlash surrounding the Xbox One and its controversial used-game and connectivity policies. Speaking with GameSpot today, corporate vice president at Microsoft Game Studios Phil Spencer said gamers will ultimately vote with their wallets.

"We always knew that our story would play out over time. And even now, I would say, this isn't a sprint,"

"The reaction, I think, is complete when the product is on the shelf and it has a price and it has a content library and consumers vote."

"And that's the date I'm looking forward to."
http://uk.gamespot.com/e3/microsoft-...print-6409849/
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:01
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This is a good read, it's a long article about the disaster Steve Ballmer has been for MS

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer
Bullmer has been a disaster for the company, they gone from one screw up the next under his leadership.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:27
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Weirdly in gaming there just seems to be a time when companies just lose the plot. Sometimes it's mismanagement, sometimes it's arrogance, but it happens.

Sega's was the mid 90s with the release of the 32X, Mega CD within a short space of time and a bungled Saturn launch. They never really recovered from the damage

I'd say Nintendo's was around 1995-1996 when they released the Virtual Boy, and decided to keep Cartridges for the N64 against industry and consumer advice.

Sony 2005-2006: The $599 price tag, and some terrible advertising/PR in the early PS3 days.

It's Microsoft time to 'lose it', it's tradition for someone to
It happens so often it has a name. The curse of the third console.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:27
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This is a good read, it's a long article about the disaster Steve Ballmer has been for MS

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer
Very interesting read. Microsoft is a company tied up in bureaucracy and run by marketing people. They started to loose their way 10 - 12 years ago and are looking increasingly out of touch.

If the XBox One is a failure im sure Microsoft will do some back tracking. See Windows 8 as a recent example with its Start button.

I see Windows 8 as Microsoft's desire keep a unified look between Windows Phone and Windows Desktop as purely a marketing exercise.
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Old 12-06-2013, 17:00
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I don't think it is so bad that MS say that this generation of console requires an internet connection.
but they don't need it and that is the problem, there is no reason to stay connected or even connect once. No benefit to the gamer. Lots of benefits to Microsoft, data mining, TV history customised ads etc
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Old 12-06-2013, 19:24
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MS just want total control of the industry and have made the big mistake of showing the public that
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Old 12-06-2013, 19:41
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Nice slap in the face there for us Don,

Do Microsoft not want our money?
I couldn't believe that quote when i read it this morning, talk about an arrogant attitude to have. The always online thing doesn't bother me because my internet is reliable, but saying that people in areas without a decent internet connection should just stick to the 360 is showing utter contempt for their customers. He should be careful what he's saying in the future, it's not like MS have a reason to be that arrogant after the last few months of bad press...
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