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Old 12-06-2013, 14:54
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The PS4 seems to be winning the hearts and minds of console gamers. Meanwhile, the Xbox One is under attack from every angle, while the Wii U is being largely ignored.

Could we see the nightmare scenario of a one horse console race in the next generation, where a lack of competition stagnates the industry?

Do we need the PC market more than ever to keep Sony on its toes?

Will Microsoft and Nintendo's fortunes improve?

Is it time for some fresh blood to enter the marketplace?
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:24
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The 5th and 6th gen of home consoles were effectively one horse races. PS1 and PS2 dominated by a long way.

I can see the PS4 dominating this gen.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:24
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Microsoft will make changes if sales are bad. I expect the Xbox One will be a successful console even if it has a rocky start. Despite all the moaning on the Internet I doubt the MS policies will be that bad in practice or that detrimental to the way most people use their console.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:38
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The PS4 seems to be winning the hearts and minds of console gamers. Meanwhile, the Xbox One is under attack from every angle, while the Wii U is being largely ignored.

Could we see the nightmare scenario of a one horse console race in the next generation, where a lack of competition stagnates the industry?

Do we need the PC market more than ever to keep Sony on its toes?

Will Microsoft and Nintendo's fortunes improve?

Is it time for some fresh blood to enter the marketplace?
I wrote this in another thread about how we shouldn't write MS off just yet.

The PS3 was in an awful position around launch and came under attack for almost everything they did or their people said. There was a fairly long period were people kept saying that Sony was about to do a SEGA. They eventually acknowledged their faults and tried as hard as they could to turn things around with a lot of success as the console which was guaranteed to make third place in the sales charts by many has actually moved into second place and over taken the 360 (Or is close at least (My point been many people thought that was impossible in the early days of PS3)).

MS have not made an moves which they cannot change or rectify, every decision is a software one which could be change or reversed its not like they have made a console like the Wii in which it would have been impossible for them to have changed things had the decided they needed a console with the power of the 360 and PS3 (This is just an example, not a diss at the Wii).
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:51
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I wouldn't write of MS just yet as someone said MS will most likely make changes.
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Old 12-06-2013, 15:56
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The competition will always be the games. Even if there was only ever one console hundreds of games would be vying for your attention. (and money)
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:01
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Is it time for some fresh blood to enter the marketplace?
What, you mean like Valve with the SteamBox or the Ouya.

Or VR on the PC with Oculus Rift.

Or even the current generation of tablets. Most of the dedicated console crowd don't see these as gaming machines. However, a lot of the non-hardcore gamers out there do. It may explain (at least partly) why Nintendo are having such a hard time. The Wii picked up mostly casual gamers. I'd guess a lot of them are happy playing Candy Crush and Draw Something on their tablet so haven't paid much attention to the next gen Wii.

There is plenty out there if you look beyond the blinkered boundaries offered MS and Sony (and Nintendo).

I honestly don't see why people are getting so excited about the new consoles. Just looks like more of the same to me. Nothing very ground breaking .....
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:05
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The competition will always be the games. Even if there was only ever one console hundreds of games would be vying for your attention. (and money)
While that is true just look at the improvements Sony made to the PS3 due to good strong competition from MS with the 360. Anyone who has had a PS3 long enough to remember the original PSN store or the time when we had no in-game XMB have Microsoft to thank for that at least in part.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:21
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I don't think we'll see a one horse race, MS are investing a lot of money in games, they'll be spending millions on pushing the xbox one, they also have the option to make the console instantly more appealing by removing their crazy DRM, always online, always on Kinect, if they give the people their choice back, then I believe the Xbox One will do great.

Its totally up to them now, I just hope they don't leave to late.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:34
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I'm waiting for Valve to show their hand.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:51
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MS are heading into a launch without the availability of games rental. That's a huge deal in the run-up to Christmas, when the only next gen titles available at rental (in the US in particular) will be on the PS4.
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Old 12-06-2013, 16:54
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What, you mean like Valve with the SteamBox or the Ouya.

Or VR on the PC with Oculus Rift.

Or even the current generation of tablets. Most of the dedicated console crowd don't see these as gaming machines. However, a lot of the non-hardcore gamers out there do. It may explain (at least partly) why Nintendo are having such a hard time. The Wii picked up mostly casual gamers. I'd guess a lot of them are happy playing Candy Crush and Draw Something on their tablet so haven't paid much attention to the next gen Wii.

There is plenty out there if you look beyond the blinkered boundaries offered MS and Sony (and Nintendo).
Well, as mentioned in my opening post, I was specifically talking about the console segment of the market, hence my comment about the PC market (in which I would include Steambox and Occulus Rift) perhaps becoming increasingly important to the wider industry.

Tablets and phones are a valid form of gaming entertainment, but in a manner that lives alongside consoles in my opinion.

I'm fully aware that there are other ways to game out there, (I use pretty nmuch all of them in one way or another) but the console market is an integral part of the industry, has been for decades, and I was curious to know if gamers were concerned about the apathy and aggression that some of the major players in the console sector are experiencing right now.
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Old 12-06-2013, 17:45
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If the Xbox back tracked and changed their punishing policies then Microsoft could certainly redeem themselves. The Xbox One might even be a console to get excited about.
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Old 12-06-2013, 18:59
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It will sell like hot cakes in America, probably more than enough to be considered a success. It's early days though, so who knows what's going to happen. I do think that Sony will 'win' the first 6-12 months and by a fairly wide margin.
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Old 12-06-2013, 19:03
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microsoft will flood tv and mags/papers with endless ads

sony rarely put ads out in comparison

ms sales will be fine

millions will sell purely based on halo an early cod dlc
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Old 12-06-2013, 20:16
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Only thing i can see MS changing is the Price and not by that much. I cant see MS dropping the DRM.
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Old 12-06-2013, 20:39
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They need to get the install base high as soon as possible. Because, I strongly think the PS4 specs will outshine in the long term.

Another option would be to keep paying for exclusives.
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Old 12-06-2013, 20:41
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The bone will still do reasonably well in the US. Maybe not as well as the 360 in comparison to the ps3, but well enough. I suspect they'll get slaughtered in Europe though.
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Old 12-06-2013, 20:57
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Sony needs the PS4 to be a success or else the company is in big trouble, this has been a growing concern for the other departments (TV and Audio rebranded equipment in particular). So Sony NEEDS this to work, which is why they often tend to do a little better overall.

Microsoft on the other hand has its giant PC OS and Office empire to fund anything they want, with little fear of failure. Worst case for them is a total xbox failure would mean withdrawal from the market, but even thats a push, they could try again, they have that much money to throw at it.

Nintendo has the handheld market under control, so they can ease off.

PC gaming is different and doesnt really compete the same way.
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Old 13-06-2013, 08:24
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Sony needs the PS4 to be a success or else the company is in big trouble, this has been a growing concern for the other departments (TV and Audio rebranded equipment in particular). So Sony NEEDS this to work, which is why they often tend to do a little better overall.

Microsoft on the other hand has its giant PC OS and Office empire to fund anything they want, with little fear of failure. Worst case for them is a total xbox failure would mean withdrawal from the market, but even thats a push, they could try again, they have that much money to throw at it.

Nintendo has the handheld market under control, so they can ease off.

PC gaming is different and doesnt really compete the same way.
I don't think MS could exit the market and then just stroll back in and pick up where they left off. If MS went bye bye to the console industry, that void would almost certainly be filled by PS4.

MS need to salvage what they can of their current 360 market share, by cutting all the crap from the Xbox One, and they need to do that before launch or they will loose everything the 360 has done.
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Old 13-06-2013, 11:41
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Iím no Playstation fanboy as I currently own an Xbox. But I seriously canít see much attraction at all in the Xbone.
PS4 is more powerful than the Xbone for start off.
I recently bought an expensive set of headphones, if I were to choose to buy Xbone I would have to buy another set if I wanted to do in game chat.
In the past my internet connection has gone down 3 or 4 days at a time meaning I would be unable to play it.
I would have to pay an extra £80 for one.
Cant buy 2nd hand games without an extra charge
Cant rent games.
The downside is some of the exclusive games looked really good and I will have to wait an extra 30 days to play COD DLC content on PS4. But I can live with all that due to the points I made above.
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Old 13-06-2013, 11:47
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I'm not worried, there will always be a market for Nintendo as they occupy different types of gamers. Microsoft effectively have an open cheque book so they will make it work one way or another, they also have a good track record of changing things that aren't working.

I wouldnt write anyone off at this stage, prime example is the Sega dreamcast, a fantastic console way ahead of its time, very popular with those who bought it, but struggled big style.
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