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Why does Karen have so many issues with females
She was happy to stick the boot into Natalie. We know about her love of luisa
.Whereas Neil now that's a different story |
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Probably because she compares herself more with other women and thus seeks to highlight their faults.
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Probably because she compares herself more with other women and thus seeks to highlight their faults.
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oh I don't know ... she didn't look best pleased at the 'eye-candy' remark
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
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women hate each other
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Oh, here we go again. So is Nick bad for having issues with men then? He's criticised Alex and Kurt quite a bit, for instance. Does that make him as bad as Karren for not being solidly supportive towards candidates of his gender?
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That's funny because to my mind it's usually Nick that picks on specific female candidates for no reason (remember when he personally attacked Debra a few years a go for completely unfounded reasons?). Karen can get a bit high and mighty with her 'you're letting all businesswomen of the world down' schtick but when she criticises the women she has a good reason to.
but no obviously all women are irrational and hate each other, so when a woman criticises another woman it's just because women be b*tches. |
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
As an example, I'm constantly surprised at how much support Natalie has had on DS. To me she showed very little in the way of business skills, and her overt aggression in the boardroom (Sugar at one point praised her "passion" - puh-lease) would not be tolerated for long in any decent-sized business I have ever worked in. Much though Jason came under fire in the early weeks for being utterly useless, at least he has some sense of how you should behave in a professional environment. I'd rather work with someone ineffectual who has a smile on their face and wants to learn and try than someone who is marginally better but has the kind of attitude that Natalie displayed throughout, contributing nothing in tasks and only coming to life in the boardroom with her 20-20 hindsight. |
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
It's only more recently she's become this troper for women in the boardroom. You've just made assumptions and stated them as truth. |
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It's seems to me that Karen even dislikes the women who are professional and don't bitch in the boardroom.
She clearly fancies Neil, who is a horrid individual, so that's enough to hang her out to dry ethically as far as I'm concerned. |
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is
If she talks about female empowerment again, it would be good if someone asked how empowering it was for all those semi-naked women to be draped over cars in the magazines her company produced. She's a hypocrite. |
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I think that people naturally feel an affinity towards people that they feel they have things in common with. Karren does with women who do well and want to succeed in business, just as Lord Sugar does with people who started from nothing and worked their way up. Naturally, for Karren it would feel very frustrating to see women in business being bitchy, immature and using their femininity to get by rather than their actual business heads. A lot of women who are on the programme do that, so I'm not surprised that Karren gets annoyed about it. Quote:
It's seems to me that Karen even dislikes the women who are professional and don't bitch in the boardroom.
She clearly fancies Neil, who is a horrid individual, so that's enough to hang her out to dry ethically as far as I'm concerned. |
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She often mentions that. Less so her work for David Sullivan's porn empire...
If she talks about female empowerment again, it would be good if someone asked how empowering it was for all those semi-naked women to be draped over cars in the magazines her company produced. She's a hypocrite. Mr Nail.....meet Mr Head.
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I think that people naturally feel an affinity towards people that they feel they have things in common with. Karren does with women who do well and want to succeed in business, just as Lord Sugar does with people who started from nothing and worked their way up. Naturally, for Karren it would feel very frustrating to see women in business being bitchy, immature and using their femininity to get by rather than their actual business heads. A lot of women who are on the programme do that, so I'm not surprised that Karren gets annoyed about it.
I don't think that's fair or true. When women are professional and do well on the show, Karren is completely supportive of them. She was really nice about some of the girls on Young Apprentice, for example. |
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Karren is usually against the males so I've been impressed with her fairer stance this series, it's been her strongest series to date in my view
Though I still miss Margaret massively. the show will never get over her loss. |
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That's a really bad example.
I don't think it's a bad example, but if you think it is, I'll bring in another one. I think that for the most part, she was very positive about Helen in Series 7. She wasn't positive about her business plan, but she was positive about anything else about her. And when it was between Helen and Tom, she said to Lord Sugar, 'Tom has only really done well when he's had Helen alongside him'. |
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Why is it a bad example?
I don't think it's a bad example, but if you think it is, I'll bring in another one. I think that for the most part, she was very positive about Helen in Series 7. She wasn't positive about her business plan, but she was positive about anything else about her. And when it was between Helen and Tom, she said to Lord Sugar, 'Tom has only really done well when he's had Helen alongside him'. As one of the few female business role models in the UK, if I were Karren I would be hoping to find female candidates I could hold up as future role models - and when they resort to bitchiness or playing to other stereotypes it's therefore even more disappointing. |
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I think its because Karren had to fight against all sorts of stereotypes about women in business in order to make it to where she is, so she gets annoyed when women live up to those stereotypes as it makes life harder for other women.
"You might find that a rough attitude when you're stood in front of a bank asking for investments." to Luisa last week. |
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She was happy to stick the boot into Natalie. We know about her love of luisa
.Whereas Neil now that's a different story
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I don't dislike Karen, but she does drive me mad! She's become very vocal, and very interferring, in this series. Which I don't like. I don't feel it is her place to question candidates in the way that she does.
I'll never forget a few years ago when she stopped the women in the boardroom, and said 'can I just say you are representing business women everywhere.' I would genuinely have said to her, no Karen, I'm not here representing anybody, but myself. |
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Why is it a bad example?
I don't think it's a bad example, but if you think it is, I'll bring in another one. I think that for the most part, she was very positive about Helen in Series 7. She wasn't positive about her business plan, but she was positive about anything else about her. And when it was between Helen and Tom, she said to Lord Sugar, 'Tom has only really done well when he's had Helen alongside him'. |
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