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Was that the biggest defeat ever?
Perhaps someone can enlighten me on this... I don't recall there ever being such a huge difference between the two teams in the results than there was last night. The losing team didn't even make £2,000, the winning team made over £30,000. Has there ever been a task where the difference has been greater than that? I can't think of any offhand, but there have been so many series now I may have forgotten about one.
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Could well be
Though, didnt the half-caste girl in the last series pull off a stunning deal? My memory fails |
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Though, didnt the half-caste girl in the last series pull off a stunning deal? My memory fails
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It's not offensive. It's a well known term for mixed race.
Explain how its racist Mr PC? |
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Perhaps someone can enlighten me on this... I don't recall there ever being such a huge difference between the two teams in the results than there was last night. The losing team didn't even make £2,000, the winning team made over £30,000. Has there ever been a task where the difference has been greater than that? I can't think of any offhand, but there have been so many series now I may have forgotten about one.
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It's not offensive. It's a well known term for mixed race.
Explain how its racist Mr PC? Some people still use the term but it's one of those that has gradually fallen out of favour and been replaced with mixed race or dual heritage. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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I honestly wasn't aware of the terms fall from grace, I actually thought it was a polite way of saying mixed race. No-one's ever told me off for using it.
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Perhaps someone can enlighten me on this... I don't recall there ever being such a huge difference between the two teams in the results than there was last night. The losing team didn't even make £2,000, the winning team made over £30,000. Has there ever been a task where the difference has been greater than that? I can't think of any offhand, but there have been so many series now I may have forgotten about one.
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I honestly wasn't aware of the terms fall from grace, I actually thought it was a polite way of saying mixed race. No-one's ever told me off for using it.
Obviously, I don't know any of those words myself ... |
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There may be one bigger, and as I said in my previous post this was selling to trade rather than selling direct to consumers, but season 6 episode 4 (Selling to Trade): Synergy £76,518.90, Apollo £122,625.60 - margin of victory about £46k (although less in percentage terms than this week, which was basically 23 to 1), Liz Locke alone secured a £99k order for the Baby Glow.
I studied a poem called Half-Caste by John Agard for GCSE. He finds the term stupid because it implies that someone is 'half' something, and I think that's offensive. I wasn't trying to imply that The Rhydler was being deliberately racist, I've come across people before who didn't realise that that is generally regarded as an offensive term (though not as offensive as some), so I just thought I should mention it. On another point, is The Rhydler referring to Gabrielle? She and Bilyana were the only ethnic minority women last year, and Bilyana was the first to go, so it's obviously not her. |
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What about Series 7, Week 8: Venture £200,000+, Logic £14,000
Or Series 7, Week 9: Venture 800,000, Logic 0 Boardroom sales records right there!
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Oh right, okay. I couldn't remember what the difference was, but I remembered that the other team did very well on that task as well so I presumed that the difference wasn't that great. I guess it was then.
I studied a poem called Half-Caste by John Agard for GCSE. He finds the term stupid because it implies that someone is 'half' something, and I think that's offensive. I wasn't trying to imply that The Rhydler was being deliberately racist, I've come across people before who didn't realise that that is generally regarded as an offensive term (though not as offensive as some), so I just thought I should mention it. On another point, is The Rhydler referring to Gabrielle? She and Bilyana were the only ethnic minority women last year, and Bilyana was the first to go, so it's obviously not her. Despite the numerical difference, I think last night's defeat was even bigger because of the ratio of the teams' sales. Losing 120-70 is a heavy defeat, but it doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as 33 to 1-and-a-bit. Certainly didn't mean to imply that Rhydler was being racist. There are many words which can cause offence to some (but not necessarily all) without intention. And my opinion is just that - a personal opinion. But - and this is the PC police in me coming out - if I'm unsure about whether a word may cause offence, I try to make a point of not using it. There are many, many ways to insult someone without racist or sexist epithets! |
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Oh right, okay. I couldn't remember what the difference was, but I remembered that the other team did very well on that task as well so I presumed that the difference wasn't that great. I guess it was then.
I studied a poem called Half-Caste by John Agard for GCSE. He finds the term stupid because it implies that someone is 'half' something, and I think that's offensive. I wasn't trying to imply that The Rhydler was being deliberately racist, I've come across people before who didn't realise that that is generally regarded as an offensive term (though not as offensive as some), so I just thought I should mention it. On another point, is The Rhydler referring to Gabrielle? She and Bilyana were the only ethnic minority women last year, and Bilyana was the first to go, so it's obviously not her. Gabrielle - thats the one, I just remembered her doing a huge deal in the last series and getting pats on the back. I know you weren't implying anything, so that's cool. Thing is, I think someone who has two parents of differing ethnicity would have no choice but to concede they are made up of the two etnicities. Like if you're 'half jewish' or a 'half sister' to someone - this just isn't offensive. The whole issues of 'caste' in terms of status I understand that perhaps there could be an issue there, but that's just in the Hindu faith is it not? |
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what about mudblood. I expect that is offensive too.
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What about Series 7, Week 8: Venture £200,000+, Logic £14,000
Or Series 7, Week 9: Venture 800,000, Logic 0 Boardroom sales records right there! ![]() It was completely unrealistic. They were trying to sell crappy quality biscuits, not Ferraris. Jim was a fool for trying it, but not as big a fool as the producers for allowing such a big loophole or the Asda buyers for actually swallowing his blarney! Emergency biscuit, anyone? |
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What about Series 7, Week 8: Venture £200,000+, Logic £14,000
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Gabrielle - thats the one, I just remembered her doing a huge deal in the last series and getting pats on the back.
I know you weren't implying anything, so that's cool. Thing is, I think someone who has two parents of differing ethnicity would have no choice but to concede they are made up of the two etnicities. Like if you're 'half jewish' or a 'half sister' to someone - this just isn't offensive. The whole issues of 'caste' in terms of status I understand that perhaps there could be an issue there, but that's just in the Hindu faith is it not? |
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Thing is, I think someone who has two parents of differing ethnicity would have no choice but to concede they are made up of the two etnicities. Like if you're 'half jewish' or a 'half sister' to someone - this just isn't offensive.
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Older people see nothing wrong with using many terms which are frowned upon today. Where is it all going to end because it seems what is OK today will not be in a few years.
If it is said offensively, any term can be racist, so if it is used, judge if it is meant to be and if not, recognise it for what it is. I was pleased about the win but not pleased that gobby Neil was the PM and well done Jason. |
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Yes - I can understand what you are saying.
But by the same token, if someone asked you where you were from, what would you say? |
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Yes - I can understand what you are saying.
But by the same token, if someone asked you where you were from, what would you say? Context is everything. The problem with forums is that context can be easily misread - that's my own personal reason for steering clear of such terms online. I can use other words to describe people which aren't remotely offensive. Last year's Gabrielle was always, to me, 'the creative one' or 'the architect' or just 'Gabrielle'. To be honest, describing her by her ethnicity never really occurred to me. |
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Obviously, I would have used Gabrielle if I remembered her name.
But I understand your points. Well said. |
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Obviously, I would have used Gabrielle if I remembered her name.
But I understand your points. Well said.
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There may be one bigger, and as I said in my previous post this was selling to trade rather than selling direct to consumers, but season 6 episode 4 (Selling to Trade): Synergy £76,518.90, Apollo £122,625.60 - margin of victory about £46k (although less in percentage terms than this week, which was basically 23 to 1), Liz Locke alone secured a £99k order for the Baby Glow.
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De[ends if you measure the winning percentage, count the money difference or treat selling something against nothing literally, as a win by infinity %. This must be the biggest percentage win where the other side sold something?
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Thanks TXF. Am I right in thinking 7.9 was the biscuit task? That was a travesty in so many ways because of the ridiculous promises Jedi Jim made to secure that one whopping order from Asda. We'll do a multi-million pound TV campaign! We'll get every celebrity who's ever lived to endorse it! We'll pay people to buy it! We'll donate all out first-born!
It was completely unrealistic. They were trying to sell crappy quality biscuits, not Ferraris. Jim was a fool for trying it, but not as big a fool as the producers for allowing such a big loophole or the Asda buyers for actually swallowing his blarney! Emergency biscuit, anyone? |
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