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Old 15-06-2013, 08:57
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So, all the information I have learned is useless because I learned most of it online? But, if I had learned the exact same things in a classroom, then I would have more credibility? You might as well say that sitting in a classroom reading textbooks is useless as well because textbooks are usually compiled by experts in the exact same way that the information I have read on the internet is compiled by experts too.

As for the RSPCA. Former veterinary advisers to the RSPCA have spoken out AGAINST their actions and have said that lameness in sheep is fairly straight forward to treat! Look at what they did when a man died leaving behind ten German Shepherds. Instead of contacting breed rescues or bringing in behaviourists to evaluate the dogs, they shot them with a captive bolt gun! This quite rightly sparked an outrage. As for the truth behind the sheep. Why are you not condemning the RSPCA for lying about the photo? You know - kidding on it was live transport that killed them instead of themselves!

As for me 'losing' for mentioning Cesar Millan. The man has (like it or not) PROVEN that is possible to rehabilitate dogs that others have given up on. As for the so-called cruelty. I have yet to see any evidence of it. If there was any, his show would have ended long ago, and he would have been prosecuted for cruelty. However, The Dog Whisperer ran for more than 100 episodes and he has a new show called Cesar Millan's Leader of the Pack. Additionally people aren't killed for having behavioural problems, but it's perfectly okay to kill 'inferior' dogs? Do orphanages kill badly behaved kids for fear of them causing problems in a home? Heck no! I am sick of humans that think dogs should die because of behavioural problems. Even ex-fighting American Pit Bull Terriers are being rehabilitated successfully. Just look at Michael Vick's dogs. Most of his 50+ dogs were successfully rehabbed! A lot of them went onto be pets and therapy dogs!

If you want to harass somebody, go over to that horrendous dead dog thread, and let loose there!
**sigh** I am not harassing you, merely disagreeing with you. I am not going to get into an argument about cesar, so I will say my piece then ignore any further posts about him. Firstly: I didn't mention creulty, you jumped on that band wagon yourself, the reason he's not been charged with creulty? The us don't have the same welfare standards as us, they still believe physical punishment is ok. The fact the you think a long running tv show means he must be right prove without a doubt everything I've been saying about you having no true understanding of the issues.

Why do I think a university education is better than reading up online? SERIOUSLY? Well I've read up on reflux when my daughter was ill, should I consider myself as well qualified as a doctor? Treat it myself? I saw it on tv too....

Firstly you say that you've spent a year thoroughly researching nutrition, as you are passionate about it, then it's suddenly the RSPCA you research. What you actually do is search the net for articles that support your blinkered view. When searching for RSPCA cruelty, you are going to get the sensationalist headlines, because yes they do happen, nobody is perfect, and I wonder what state our animals would be in if there was no RSPCA. At university we may well have read the same stories, but instead of running off like a pack of wild dogs, ready to maul the nearest RSPCA officer, we are challenged to dissect the evidence, review what might of happened, find other accounts of the same event, work out what decisions might of had to be made on that particular situation. Unless you are there you cannot categorically say they were wrong, you might say that you believe there was other options, but instead of going off on a RSPCA rant, perhaps get hold of the RSPCA correspondents and put your reasonable questions to them.

Again, I say the RSPCA are not perfect, but, ey are not the devils some believe them to be, every company be they charitable or not, knows that an unhappy customer will tell 10x people about thier negative experience, those with positive experiences tend to just get on with it.

Yorkie gal, I'm glad they are doing something about the dog, but I would stres that the law may not be behind them, if he has food and water, shelter and is not in any way suffering they're is nothing they can do to force the guy to give him up. Sad, but that's not the rspcas fault it is our stupid welfare laws that do nothing to really protect animals.
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Old 15-06-2013, 09:54
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I once found a sheep in a field, that was lying on its side and obviously in severe distress. I phoned the RSPCA, but the operator kept asking me a ridiculous amount of totally irrelevant questions. Even though I gave clear instructions as to where the field was, she seemed totally incapable of understanding. In the end I gave her the exact co-ordinates from my car sat-nav, but that was no good either.

They kept asking me who owned the field (it was about 50 miles from home and I thought they would have the resources to establish that). Then it gradually dawned on me that they would rather leave the animal to die a slow and painful death than take any action that might upset or embarrass the farmer.

They really were so uncaring and incompetent that I must admit that I lost my temper with them after about 20 minutes of repeating the same answers to stupid questions from about four different people.
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Old 15-06-2013, 10:09
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I phoned them on a few occasions, in England RSPCA, in Ireland USPCA, regarding a dog I had seen in someones backyard, he was skin and bone. Not only was the person on the phone disinterested and indifferent, but she asked stupid questions. Was the dog's spine showing through it's flesh?The dog was very thin and obviously miserable. Its the same with a lot of cat shelters, they take your donations but if you need a place for an abused cat they say they are full, all the time
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Old 16-06-2013, 11:53
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The dog is now safe and ok.
It is now in the hands of the police and the rspca and no other information has been given due to legal issues.
Great result. Hope someone gets prosecuted and the dog finds a forever home with people who will love him.
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Old 16-06-2013, 14:02
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The dog is now safe and ok.
It is now in the hands of the police and the rspca and no other information has been given due to legal issues.
Great result. Hope someone gets prosecuted and the dog finds a forever home with people who will love him.
great news
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:10
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Not just dogs with behavioural problems my friend lost her little westie on a walk, huge efforts put into finding him, RSPCA informed etc. She got a call from a neighbour who was visiting the local branch and swore she saw him in the kennels so off we went to see. Sure enough tiggy was in their care. She identified him, they agreed he was hers but wanted a fee so she went to the bank, took us 30 minutes tops to get to the bank and back with cash in our hands only to find they had killed him while we were gone. He was not just well trained but a hearing dog for the deaf dog. No good reason to kill him at all.
omg that is awful
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:13
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I once found a sheep in a field, that was lying on its side and obviously in severe distress. I phoned the RSPCA, but the operator kept asking me a ridiculous amount of totally irrelevant questions. Even though I gave clear instructions as to where the field was, she seemed totally incapable of understanding. In the end I gave her the exact co-ordinates from my car sat-nav, but that was no good either.

They kept asking me who owned the field (it was about 50 miles from home and I thought they would have the resources to establish that). Then it gradually dawned on me that they would rather leave the animal to die a slow and painful death than take any action that might upset or embarrass the farmer.

They really were so uncaring and incompetent that I must admit that I lost my temper with them after about 20 minutes of repeating the same answers to stupid questions from about four different people.
what happened to the poor sheep?
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:15
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The dog is now safe and ok.
It is now in the hands of the police and the rspca and no other information has been given due to legal issues.
Great result. Hope someone gets prosecuted and the dog finds a forever home with people who will love him.
That is good news, well done
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