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Old 17-06-2013, 14:10
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I see. I disagree, I think in general people are aware that doctors aren't all medical (which is why i was a little miffed that someone lectured to me as such ). That is interesting about your wife decision not to use the Dr for that reason though.
Other well-known PhD-holders who do not use the title doctor include our former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown.

Medical doctors in politics include the former Defence Secretary, Dr Liam Fox, a GP, and the former Foreign Secretary, Dr David Owen (formerly a consultant neurologist) who famously used to be tapped up by MI6 for medical assessments of the health of foreign leaders he met in his duties. There are several others in both Houses of Parliament.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:25
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I think it's quite pretentious to use the term 'Dr' in your title. Yes, you have to have respect for someone who has a doctorate, but at the same time, I think that using the term next to your name gives the impression that you're more important than you actually are.

I respect people's right to use that term if they have a doctorate, but I respect more people who have doctorates but choose not to use them in their titles. People have a perception of what a 'doctor' is, and I think a lot of the time that word makes someone sound a lot grander than they need to be.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:29
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Leah is a qualified doctor. More legalistically, she is a "registered medical practitioner". That is, she is on the medical register maintained by the General Medical Council. This is the legal requirement to practise medicine in the United Kingdom. You can check the registration of any doctor at the GMC website.

To get there, she has gained a medical degree and then worked on the wards for a year. She is a junior hospital doctor, and would normally now do several more years in training jobs leading eventually to general practice (a GP, or family doctor) or a consultant post in whatever specialism she chose (plastic surgery, dermatology, or one of dozens of others).

By the way, has Leah ever referred to herself as a doctor on the Apprentice? It is mainly here and elsewhere on the web she is referred to as Dr Leah.
Thanks lammtarra!

As far as I can recall, the only time it has been mentioned that Leah is a doctor was by Luisa on the opening task, when she dismissed her business credentials because she was "just a doctor". I certainly don't recall Leah ever playing that card to try to enhance her own status.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:33
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I think it's quite pretentious to use the term 'Dr' in your title. Yes, you have to have respect for someone who has a doctorate, but at the same time, I think that using the term next to your name gives the impression that you're more important than you actually are.

I respect people's right to use that term if they have a doctorate, but I respect more people who have doctorates but choose not to use them in their titles. People have a perception of what a 'doctor' is, and I think a lot of the time that word makes someone sound a lot grander than they need to be.
She IS a qualified medical doctor. I really don't understand your issue - it's not as if she's pretending to be a medical doctor to make herself seem 'grander than she needs to be'.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:34
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I think it's quite pretentious to use the term 'Dr' in your title. Yes, you have to have respect for someone who has a doctorate, but at the same time, I think that using the term next to your name gives the impression that you're more important than you actually are.

I respect people's right to use that term if they have a doctorate, but I respect more people who have doctorates but choose not to use them in their titles. People have a perception of what a 'doctor' is, and I think a lot of the time that word makes someone sound a lot grander than they need to be.
I tend to agree, George, and I can think of very few of my friends who have doctorates who ever use the term when addressing themselves - except those who operate in academic circles and use the title in a professional capacity, where I think it's entirely appropriate to do so.

In general, there are many of us who could put letters after their title but elect not to do so for the reasons you describe. I have four distinct qualifications I could put after my name, but I've never felt the need to do so because frankly I'd rather be judged on my ability to do my job than the fact I've got a few qualifications.

As an aside, a friend of mine has an MA and is also a Fellow of the Institute of Actuaries. I really do wish he'd put the letters MA FIA after his name!
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:34
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played the sexism card with zee for no reason but gave kurt nothing more than a sigh when he called her eye candy

i wonder what the difference between zee and kurt is? hummmmmmmmm
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:40
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played the sexism card with zee for no reason but gave kurt nothing more than a sigh when he called her eye candy

i wonder what the difference between zee and kurt is? hummmmmmmmm
I'm neither defending nor condemning Leah, but to be fair it was Natalie who played the sexism card and Leah nodded to show that she also believed Zee had a problem working with women.

As for her not reacting to Kurt, she may have done but we weren't shown it as it wasn't relevant to the 'final three' narrative. I think there was certainly enough of a reaction from what we saw that suggested she wasn't best chuffed, but as to what followed we weren't shown the full extent of her reaction.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:41
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She IS a qualified medical doctor. I really don't understand your issue - it's not as if she's pretending to be a medical doctor to make herself seem 'grander than she needs to be'.
I was talking about people in general, not Leah specifically - I don't know enough about Leah's background to judge her on that.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:42
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:44
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I'm neither defending nor condemning Leah, but to be fair it was Natalie who played the sexism card and Leah nodded to show that she also believed Zee had a problem working with women.

As for her not reacting to Kurt, she may have done but we weren't shown it as it wasn't relevant to the 'final three' narrative. I think there was certainly enough of a reaction from what we saw that suggested she wasn't best chuffed, but as to what followed we weren't shown the full extent of her reaction.
I also think it's entirely possible that Zee simply was more of a sexist/chauvinist than Kurt & that this was simply an isolated incident with him.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:46
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played the sexism card with zee for no reason but gave kurt nothing more than a sigh when he called her eye candy

i wonder what the difference between zee and kurt is? hummmmmmmmm
See comment 23 in this thread. Leah had no need to convince the panel about Kurt since Nick had just done it for her. Even Kurt knew he was wrong which is why he blustered something about not having meant it.
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Old 17-06-2013, 17:34
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played the sexism card with zee for no reason but gave kurt nothing more than a sigh when he called her eye candy.
It was Natalie that played the sexism card with Zee. Leah merely backed her up. She hadn't mentioned it herself before, and I suspect she hadn't really thought it, either, but seized on it as a possible explanation for Zee's behaviour when Natalie brought it up.

Natalie seemed to have a bit of a chip on her shoulder about sexism; she was a bit sensitive about it. Leah didn't seem to think about it until someone else pointed it out to her (Natalie over Zee, Nick over Kurt.) I know which I prefer.
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Old 17-06-2013, 18:29
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Natalie seemed to have a bit of a chip on her shoulder about sexism; she was a bit sensitive about it.
Natalie worked in HR so would be aware of the issue. Zee (and he was not alone) really did isolate her, so Natalie's brain, when casting about for explanations, would naturally seize on the fault lying with Zee rather than herself.

Most of us do this sort of thing as a natural defence mechanism: he only got a bigger payrise than me because he is a brown-noser; she only got the promotion because the boss fancies her; and so on. The possibility it is my fault because I spend all day on the DS Apprentice forum when I should be making widgets would not even occur to me.

Leah didn't seem to think about it until someone else pointed it out to her (Natalie over Zee, Nick over Kurt.) I know which I prefer.
Leah would not have known what Kurt said until Nick raised it. She thought she'd been called in to save the day because she was the "top seller".
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Old 17-06-2013, 22:47
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I haven't liked Leah from the start, not sure what it is but there's something a bit off about her.
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Old 18-06-2013, 17:00
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Having watched the Dubai episode again, I've a slightly different perspective on things. My opinion of Leah is perhaps even lower as a consequence.

Whilst Zee was still a chauvinistic Asian know-it-all rude boy as I remembered, to have Leah as a sub-team leader would drive anyone to distraction and try the patience of a saint. She was a total pain in the arse and wasn't remotely concerned with winning the task.

Zee had to go as it was ultimately his responsibility for losing the task but Leah contributed nothing.

If she reaches the final 5, she's very lucky indeed.
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Old 19-06-2013, 01:23
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Having watched the Dubai episode again, I've a slightly different perspective on things. My opinion of Leah is perhaps even lower as a consequence.

Whilst Zee was still a chauvinistic Asian know-it-all rude boy as I remembered, to have Leah as a sub-team leader would drive anyone to distraction and try the patience of a saint. She was a total pain in the arse and wasn't remotely concerned with winning the task.

Zee had to go as it was ultimately his responsibility for losing the task but Leah contributed nothing.

If she reaches the final 5, she's very lucky indeed.
This idea that Leah wasn't even concerned with winning the task is based on nothing. Yes, she moaned, and the episode was edited to highlight those bits because they made good television. Alex moaned just as much and never got half the criticism Leah did. But we did see her making efforts to hunt down items too. Admittedly she didn't find many, but then nor did Zee.
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Old 19-06-2013, 09:17
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Natalie worked in HR so would be aware of the issue. Zee (and he was not alone) really did isolate her, so Natalie's brain, when casting about for explanations, would naturally seize on the fault lying with Zee rather than herself.
Didn't Natalie say she works as a headhunter, which isn't really what we would call traditional HR at all? If anything, the skills required for headhunting are more akin to sales.

Anyhow, even if she did come from a 'traditional' HR background originally, she would know that in the workplace an allegation of sexism has serious consequences (in terms of the investigative process which must follow). I accept that the boardroom is an artificial environment and the candidates are under a lot of pressure, but a true HR professional would have been sensitive to the issue.

Ah, hang on, 'professional' - that's obviously the issue ...
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Old 22-06-2013, 18:31
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I've been more impressed with Leah since everyone else went off her to be honest. She did very little in the first few episodes other than be a half-decent salesperson (although on the numbers less good than either Rebecca or Luisa) and people loved her because she wasn't as obviously pointless as utter wastes of show space like Uzma or Sophie or as combative or lairy as Luisa or Rebecca or Natalie.

In Dubai she was right about the team needing to go to the mall. If they'd gone there they would almost certainly would have won, thanks to Myles fart-arseing around on the other team. Last week she deliberately cut the budget to the bone, which is a large part of why they won, and made the right call not to hire an expensive motivational speaker and put her faith in Neil instead. She was a bit pants again this week, but I think the *idea* of asking for discounts was a good one, she just didn't have the communication skills to carry it off. And even this week she and Alex were her team's top sellers.

I think she's one of the weaker candidates left, but at least she's doing stuff now, and some of it's working, instead of pouting around in a sulky haze and occasionally closing a mid-level sale.
How she could come out with any credit from the Dubai task I've no idea. She wasted time ignoring instructions by initially going to the mall and then doing a u-turn anyway and going to the market, her sub team could have got more than 1 item.

It was also widely accepted she had no clue when she was PM for the away day task, she went against her team again in choosing the theme that had to be scrapped and ended up settling on a last minute army theme that Neill, Miles and Alex managed to pull off luckily for her.

She's also just comes across as a very nasty, judgmental and vindictive person.
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Old 23-06-2013, 01:07
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I think through his treatment of both Leah and Natalie it was very clear that Zee did have an issue working with women, more so women who weren't afraid to challenge him. To be fair to Leah if she'd heard Kurt's comments outside the boardroom I'm not sure she would've been quite so restrained about it, she didn't look very impressed.

If you're a person qualified to practice medicine then you are commonly referred to as a doctor or do those annoyed that Leah is referred to as Dr Leah go into their doctor and call them by their 1st name or Mr/Mrs so and so?

I think Leah has been a steady sales woman and that has gotten her to where she is. I don't think she's a good leader, or particularly good at taking criticism. I'd be interested to see her leading another task to see how she gets on but atm I don't see her as a winner.

Can I just throw this out there, what has Myles done either? He seems to get by every week without showing much promise yet we're to believe he's some big tycoon in Monaco.
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Old 23-06-2013, 01:46
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Can I just throw this out there, what has Myles done either? He seems to get by every week without showing much promise yet we're to believe he's some big tycoon in Monaco.
I think Myles' big secret is that he always seems unflappable and relaxed, so you think he's got everything under control. He has done pretty well in organising and selling in some tasks, I think, but he's also had some major blunders - the batteries in the cats and that long wait for the flag, for instance.
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Old 24-06-2013, 23:02
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What has Francesca contributed?
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Old 26-06-2013, 01:07
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What has Francesca contributed?
Well, we haven't seen her do much, though a lot of that may be down to the edit. She did the maths in the beer task (very badly), she was PM in the away day task (very badly) and she directed the advert last week (competently enough, though without much creativity) and did market research (I thought well enough, though from discussions on here perhaps not).
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Old 26-06-2013, 01:33
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I forget Leah is even there! A few times, I've heard mentions of her on You're Fired and have thought the person talking was getting Luisa's name wrong!
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Old 26-06-2013, 01:37
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I forget Leah is even there! A few times, I've heard mentions of her on You're Fired and have thought the person talking was getting Luisa's name wrong!
Then you're obviously not paying enough attention to the show when it's on
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