Ahh Hazel looks amazing, and so happy Gina did not win

ahh spoiler about the winner, shall I say

She's deluded.

I'm glad I saw her for what she is - a nasty, bitchy, bully. I gave her the benefit of the doubt for weeks and I quite liked her. But it all changed for me when she went into the SH with Dexter and showed her true colours.

hey everyone.back from a 2 week "holiday" as of 32 minutes ago thanks for everyone that keep supporting hazel.

Her eviction and bots appearences were great,she seemed so articulate(compare it to ginas interview,where she couldnt string 2 sentences together) and nice.she stuck up for herself really well. and also hazel got a weeks exposure and a week on bots,where as gina got 5 minutes and then back to obscurity for that thing!

regarding bots...credit to aj,who presented a more balanced point of view when needed,and clearly liked hazel

Regarding tonight,don't really care who wins,but delighted gino didn't and hazel played her part in that i think

what else,,um...thats it.hello!!

hha and its Sam. He will make good use of the cash and I would rather him than Ginxter.

Welcome back chloedancer - agreed that Hazel's interviews were great and watching this rushed final I'm even more pleased that she went when she did

Sam's win not going down well on the main forum

Hahahaha it's not but its so funny lol big fat shame after way they went so OTT on Sam this week and I'm not even a Sam fan but look I'd prefer a decent guy win rather than the gruesome twosome

Gina as nasty as ever in her interviews, (and sheep crowd copying, what's new ) glad she just had a quick rushed interview and will hopefully disappear again the piece of work.

gingster were the real winners:sleep:

Hahaha clearly not, San won as far as I know.

delighted

Rather disappointed that Sam won, to be honest but then I couldn't really muster much enthusiasm for any of them in the end. Charlie and the twins were probably the best interviews ironically :roll eyes:

So they're not actually singing after all?

No Hazel looks unbelievable in that video and Jackie looks like a ninety year old man.

I didn't particularly like Sam and never had but in the end I couldn't care less who won as long as it wasn't Gina!

Hazel looked so fit in the music video on BOTS.

I think they wanted to treat the winner as the most important hm, not convinced that this forum is in sync with bb as much as it would like to be and its a fact.

We're not as in synch with the general public because we're more discerning than the general public. There's no rule that say the majority is always rght

I'm glad Sam won. People moan about game players, then moan when somenoe who wasn't playing a game won. He just simply himself. He can't help how the highlights shows are edited. He was bumped down in favour of other storylines the producers wanted to push to the front. His best bits video shows he was involved in a lot in the house, and considering Sophie and Dexter were really the only two to have a problem with him, you know he was a popular housemate. I'm also glad he won because the main forum doesn't agree

I hope Dexter and Hazel keep in touch.

Dan said he was doing a 2014 Calendar. Hope Hazel does one. I have a thing for Calendars

I answered what you said, which went like this: "you will never be able to evict the most popular. ... You will never be able to evict the most popular housemate in a vote to save (unless you vote twice as many times as fans of the most popular which, by definition, shouldn’t be possible)."

Now you're talking, not about whether it's possible, but what's needed to be sure it happens. That's a big switch. Why is isn't it enough that it can happen? Why do people have to be sure?

In any case, you still seem to be assuming that that only 'fans' of one of the HMs who are up vote -- because otherwise it can happen without anyone voting for two HMs. Even when it is only those HMs' fans voting, it might be that only some of them have to vote for more than one.


There's a largely theoretical argument that voting to evict makes it easier, but it uses a questionable definition of 'popular', and how often does it actually happen? When has the most popular HM gone in a normal vote to evict? Also, how popular were they, and the HMs they were up against? How would you even know? (The polls are not a very good guide.) Some thought fans of other HMs were ganging up to get Sam out last week, but he didn't go, did he? No.


Assuming that by "multi-eviction" you mean more than two up, rather than more than two being evicted, then what you say there doesn't seem to be consistent with what you say next:


Then your definition is rather questionable. You're defining popularity in a way that doesn't fit voting preferences or what anyone who doesn't have the HM as their favourite thinks. It doesn't even fit what people will do in a vote to win. The voters who dislike a HM don't disappear when working out which HM (if any) a majority want to win.

Anyway, I don't know of any good reason to think HMs are disliked just because they put themselves out there.

And if you think a strong minority who don't want a HM to win means the HM is doing something right, shouldn't you want that to be taken into account somehow when determining the winner? (I have no idea how that could be done, though.)


You also said "Vote to evict is fine if you are interested in getting rid of who you dislike." I pointed out that one's own preferred motive is not the only reason for preferring one voting system rather than the other. (Indeed, most of the arguments about voting systems have been about other things.)


I've seen both said, but it's not clear how many actually stop watching. My point was about contestants who make the show worse, not that they necessarily stopped people from watching.

One thing that limits the number of complaints about disliked HMs staying is that they so often go. One of the main stories of bb7 (and one that most viewers liked) was the 'plastics' being voted out. In bb9, it was the 'whisper club' being evicted. One of the biggest complaints during bb10 was that we weren't getting a chance to vote Lisa out. When she was up in week (due to a punishment decision), BB made it vote to save, and Hira went.


I tried to give Rachel her due by saying quieter HMs can be the most interesting.

I think that for most viewers, Rachel seemed a rather quiet HM, but there's a bunch of different issues in there. I think Stu was pretty widely disliked, because he was on the wrong side during 'spit night' (and for some other reasons), but Rachel vs Stu is only one eviction, and it might not even have occurred if the whole series had been vote to save. If Rachel had a large fan base, it's odd that the final was so close. I don't think it can really be questioned that Rachel was pretty quiet and reserved as a HM, even though she did less fence-sitting that is usually claimed and got strong reactions from some HMs. A lot of what people liked about her wasn't in the highlights and so would have had little effect on most viewers. And even though I'm fairly familiar with the case her fans make for her, I don't know what her 'big impact' is supposed to be. Bar far the biggest impact on bb9 was the spitting and the events around it, in which Rachel played only a minor part.


It's hard to tell what would have happened if Dan vs Sam vs Sophie had been to-save, but the situation occurred only because of a twist. I see the twist as the problem, not the voting system.

I wonder though whether it would have made a difference to how well Hazel did. I think probably not.

Charlie tweeted her and Hazel are moving in together. Hope it works out

I would rather a housemate like Sam won and used the money to enhance his life. Thank goodness 'Ginxter' didn't win. Hopefully that awful name will now sink into the depths of obscurity where it belongs.

I posted this on another thread

I just watched Hazel's interview in TV3 and she came across very well. very positive and upbeat.

She said she was surprised at some of the things they didn't show, like Daley's alter-ego Max !!

Does anyone know anything about this ?

Tweeted Charlie myself yesterday and said she did very well, I think the big bosses obviously wanted her not to get on with Charlie. They did it to enhance hazel appeared at her worst. Shame really.