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Old 15-06-2013, 10:36
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I don't have an issue with Sony requiring PS+ for online play particularly.

Do we know how this will work for multiple accounts on the same machine though?

i.e. are we going to have buy a + sub for each user in household who wants to play online?

Not sure how this works on the xbox etc.
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Old 15-06-2013, 10:40
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It used to work like that on 360 but they've changed it to one payment per console now for x1. Ps4 better also be this way.
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Old 15-06-2013, 10:59
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Fingers crossed. I wouldn't mind paying a touch more for a multiple sign in account - but having to buy multiple accounts would suck.
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Old 15-06-2013, 11:03
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Its unlikely to be multiple accounts as would be pointless over the whole giving games side of things. However until they say we are only guessing of course. If it was to be multiple then MS win on that score plus we as a family WILL be sharing as I wouldnt pay multiple times.
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Old 15-06-2013, 16:35
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It will be interesting to see how this works out on PS4. Currently a lot of PS+ stuff can be used on multiple accounts on the same PS3 so hopefully that will continue on PS4 including online play.

I play a lot of PS+ games when i'm just checking them out on another PSN account as I don't want to add the trophy list to my main account for games I may only play for 30minutes.
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Old 16-06-2013, 19:13
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quick noob questions.., my ps3 psn+ membership is going to expire soon, if i renew on my ps3, does it automatically mean it carries onto the ps4?

and if i buy a psn card, can i use this on my ps4 to buy stuff?
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Old 16-06-2013, 19:37
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quick noob questions.., my ps3 psn+ membership is going to expire soon, if i renew on my ps3, does it automatically mean it carries onto the ps4?
PS+ will carry over from PS3 to PS4. A PS+ sub covers PS3, PS4 and PS Vita. Sony showed this at E3.

http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/...pse8696c66.jpg
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Old 16-06-2013, 20:43
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PS+ will carry over from PS3 to PS4. A PS+ sub covers PS3, PS4 and PS Vita. Sony showed this at E3.

http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/...pse8696c66.jpg
nice one, thanks!
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Old 16-06-2013, 21:48
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I know PS Plus is a great service and i've been a subscriber for the last year. It's much better than what Xbox Live offers. And i like the fact that netflix or other media services are not behind the paywall. But the fact that Online gameplay now comes under PS Plus is a bit annoying. Sony really need to justify it by announcing something like dedicated servers or saying gaikai streaming is covered by it.

But even then the automatic updates being behind a paywall is stupid. That shouldn't be a paid feature. Automatic updates is free on every system from PC to Android to Xbox One.
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Old 17-06-2013, 18:09
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Turns out i was wrong. The auto updates won't be behind a paywall. I'm a bit happier now.
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Old 18-06-2013, 08:09
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Turns out i was wrong. The auto updates won't be behind a paywall. I'm a bit happier now.
Yeah. I think when PS+ first came out (without the igc), automatic updates were probably included as part of it to try and justify what you had to pay for it. Imo PS+ was ok when it launched, but i didn't renew when my first sub ended as it wasn't worth it to me - then they added igc and totally transformed the service into something of exceptional value, leaving automatic updates as part of it just because it was there to begin with.

Taking it out of PS+ and making it part of the free offering on PS4 seems like another sensible move by Sony.
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Old 18-06-2013, 15:22
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Are you guys not sure you read it wrong? The Automatic Updates refers to the feature of the PS3 where Plus updates Games and stuff automatically. The Plus Features list was covering all the platforms with PS4 at the end (regarding Multiplayer).
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Old 18-06-2013, 15:35
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Are you guys not sure you read it wrong? The Automatic Updates refers to the feature of the PS3 where Plus updates Games and stuff automatically. The Plus Features list was covering all the platforms with PS4 at the end (regarding Multiplayer).
I don't think so - article on DS today has a quote:

"Things like auto-updates on PS4 sit outside of PlayStation Plus, so we're trying to be as balanced and as fair as we possibly can."

I know the PS+ sub will cover all 3 platforms, but whether the above means that auto-updates will become free on PS3 as well as PS4 is another question - but it suggests to me that on PS4 at least, you'll get it without a PS+ sub.

I'm not that bothered personally (I'm subbed up to March 2015 - using various offers 28 months worked out at 56), but I can see it being an issue for those that don't play mp.
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Old 19-06-2013, 10:43
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I am hoping MMOs can sit outside the gate but I guess that is probably too much to ask. I probably wouldnt bother getting PS+ otherwise, never had it on PS3 and only rarely played online.

I do plan to play FFXIV on PS3 and probably will upgrade to the PS4 edition when its out so I guess I'll have to see then. But if the price stays around 40 a year its hardly going to break the bank and it seems like you get really good value for money. But if they do some deal with MMO publishers whereby they get a cut of subs or something and so let subscription gaming sit outside PS+ then I wont join.
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Old 22-06-2013, 14:49
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I am hoping MMOs can sit outside the gate but I guess that is probably too much to ask. I probably wouldnt bother getting PS+ otherwise, never had it on PS3 and only rarely played online.

I do plan to play FFXIV on PS3 and probably will upgrade to the PS4 edition when its out so I guess I'll have to see then. But if the price stays around 40 a year its hardly going to break the bank and it seems like you get really good value for money. But if they do some deal with MMO publishers whereby they get a cut of subs or something and so let subscription gaming sit outside PS+ then I wont join.
Free to play games can sit outside the gate.

So the two at launch, DC Universe and Planetside 2 are free to play without a sub.

In addition cross-game-chat, automatic system updates (but not automatic game patches) and media services like Netflix also do not require a subscription.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JvGezGA_-c

Also mentions launch will have Driveclub and an additional digital title for subscribers.
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