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Old 19-06-2013, 01:23
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Looks really nice tbh! Will look great next to an X1 it's the last 360 model we're going to see and signifies the end of an era. I'm just happy they announced it as it means Microsoft are intending to keep them in production and alive for the foreseeable future.
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Old 19-06-2013, 01:38
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Seems weird that it's dropped Component Video Support and Optical Audio Support, as the guys in the video said, training you for Xbox One with limitations already!

Then again it's an odd choice that both Xbox One and PS4 have dropped optical to, since it's pretty much one of THE most used connections for A/V units, especially towards the the consumer affordable market, I know HDMI swap units have come down in price over the years but still, just to outright cut off a format that's been used for years which is perfectly fine with Dolby Digital 5.1 AND DTS 5.1 (which most Xbox 360 games couldn't even use, space issues, etc).

And again, using the much cheaper camcorder style A/V plug eliminates not only Component, but also S-Video and RGB Scart, leaving users with the much inferior Composite. Hell, the classic consoles have more video options than this and next gen do!

So how many are you buying 2D?
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Old 19-06-2013, 02:05
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Both the one and the 4 have optical out. But why the hell have they droppirony on the super slim. Madness.
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Old 19-06-2013, 02:09
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Obviously I have shares in them Ash.

The 360s is the superior console by far, just as the PS3 Slim is over the Super Slim (just not quite as drastic lololol). The 5.1 optical-out removal won't be an issue with HDMI input into an X1, which is the thinking there I believe, make it efficient and cut production costs, unfortunately we don't see the benefit of that just now. I think you'd have to be pretty mad to buy one of these at the moment as they are quite clearly only released to take advantage of people with more money than sense. This will be the last model of one of the best consoles ever made that we see which could continue for a couple of years, in that time prices are going to hit rock bottom.
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Old 19-06-2013, 02:20
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To be honest with you if you look at this console as being more like the B/C plug-in set-top box that was rumoured then the cutbacks makes perfect sense. You have to think of the future and gamers are going to want to plug this into their X1.
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Old 19-06-2013, 02:31
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To be honest with you if you look at this console as being more like the B/C plug-in set-top box that was rumoured then the cutbacks makes perfect sense. You have to think of the future and gamers are going to want to plug this into their X1.
If they could someone patch it so the Xbone Controller will work with the Xbox 360, then it could be of use, perhaps have like a USB Cable Link between the consoles so it can exchange data, link up the controller, etc, making the transition of playing older games through the new console as easy as possible?
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Old 19-06-2013, 02:53
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I agree with you all very cool ideas that I hope will be realised, at least the controller compatibility. As it stands there won't be any real benefit (outside of multitasking) to plugging it into the X1, it's more a case of "because I can" than anything else which is the sort of thing I'd do and find cool but there has to be practical reasons why a gamer would want to. I just hope the limitations of the new E model aren't the only reasons as they could pull off a few cool tricks with it.
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Old 19-06-2013, 03:16
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Daisy chaining a 360 and One is an interesting idea and one that we've touched on here before, but once the HDMI-in is occupied it sort of rules out a lot of the TV stuff that MS is pushing, doesn't it? (IPTV solutions aside)
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Old 19-06-2013, 05:31
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It does and that's fine by me.
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Old 19-06-2013, 07:44
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The most promising thing about this is that its silent. The guys were having trouble even knowing if it was on. Hopefully the Xbox one will carry on this.

My xbox 360 elite (fat) makes a bit of a racket.
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Old 19-06-2013, 11:48
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Looks really nice tbh! Will look great next to an X1 it's the last 360 model we're going to see and signifies the end of an era. I'm just happy they announced it as it means Microsoft are intending to keep them in production and alive for the foreseeable future.
gotta admit mate it looks gorgeous. It'll sit nicely next to my ps4 i think as i need to replace my 360 anyway as it's gone bang lol.
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Old 19-06-2013, 13:24
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It looks really nice, but why drop the optical support?

Sure, I'm using a HDMI receiver now, but it would be nice to keep that option.
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Old 19-06-2013, 14:34
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Dropping the optical audio is bloody stupid!

MS *finally* added it to the 360 with the 360S... and now it's gone? WTF?

Not everyone has an HDMI-capable AV receiver.

And the normal AV has gone too, so you can't just use any of the VGA / RGB SCART / Component / Audio Only leads?
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Old 19-06-2013, 15:32
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It looks nice to me but i don't understand why remove optical support?
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Old 19-06-2013, 15:33
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And the normal AV has gone too, so you can't just use any of the (..) VGA (leads)
That's a pity, I know a few people (myself included) using VGA cables on the 360 at the moment. Sort of tempted to get a spare of the existing model now.
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Old 19-06-2013, 15:37
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It looks nice to me but i don't understand why remove optical support?
My best guess, based upon MS' behaviour recently, would be "stupidity".

That's a pity, I know a few people (myself included) using VGA cables on the 360 at the moment. Sort of tempted to get a spare of the existing model now.
Yeah. I'm using VGA at the moment due to not having enough HDMI inputs.
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Old 19-06-2013, 16:02
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My best guess, based upon MS' behaviour recently, would be "stupidity".
Yeah does seem stupid and i would of been interested in getting one but without the optical support and 1 less usb port people are better off going for the 360s since it costs the same too.
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Old 19-06-2013, 16:12
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Good old Microsoft, putting the customer first.
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Old 19-06-2013, 16:36
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Once again Microsoft are limiting their market.

MS: Look at this wonderful One box we have to sell you

Customer: But I don't have internet

MS: Not to worry. Then we have a 360 you can buy.

Customer: But my AV amp doesn't have HDMI

MS: Never mind, you can buy this wonderful One from us

Customer: I told you , I don't have internet.

MS: How about this 360?

Customer: FFS I don't have an HDMI AV amp

MS: Oh, OK, Why disn't you say so. Rest assured, we take our customers needs very seriously. Erm.... Have you thought about not using 5.1 sound. Our stereo through the TV is improved via the Infinite Cloud you know. So much so that It will sound like you are listening to a 500 Watt 9.1 system and all though your 5 watt TV speakers. Its amazing, I promise you that.

Customer: But only the One has the Cloud

MS: Oh yeah. Why don't you ask one of my colleagues, they are bound to give you a different answer that may be more to your liking. No guarantee any of our answers will be correct but we will try to make the answer seem like it satisfies your needs

Customer: Sod you, I'm buying a PS4

MS: Have you considered buying a Surface. That might suit your needs!
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Old 19-06-2013, 16:37
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MS seem to becoming more and more erratic, randomly changing things with no real benefit (SIZE wise) but a clearly inferior product (No OPTICAL) for the same price! The mind boggles, what they playing at?
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Old 19-06-2013, 17:15
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We'll, I'm a 'glass half full' type of guy. It looks nice and runs almost silent.My optical speakers run direct from my TV so if i decide to upgrade from my elite (fat) then I'll consider this.
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Old 19-06-2013, 17:28
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Yeah does seem stupid and i would of been interested in getting one but without the optical support and 1 less usb port people are better off going for the 360s since it costs the same too.
Yup. Although of course I'd assume that the 360 S will now be discontinued...


Once again Microsoft are limiting their market.

MS: Look at this wonderful One box we have to sell you

Customer: But I don't have internet

MS: Not to worry. Then we have a 360 you can buy.

Customer: But my AV amp doesn't have HDMI

MS: Never mind, you can buy this wonderful One from us

Customer: I told you , I don't have internet.

MS: How about this 360?

Customer: FFS I don't have an HDMI AV amp

MS: Oh, OK, Why disn't you say so. Rest assured, we take our customers needs very seriously. Erm.... Have you thought about not using 5.1 sound. Our stereo through the TV is improved via the Infinite Cloud you know. So much so that It will sound like you are listening to a 500 Watt 9.1 system and all though your 5 watt TV speakers. Its amazing, I promise you that.

Customer: But only the One has the Cloud

MS: Oh yeah. Why don't you ask one of my colleagues, they are bound to give you a different answer that may be more to your liking. No guarantee any of our answers will be correct but we will try to make the answer seem like it satisfies your needs

Customer: Sod you, I'm buying a PS4

MS: Have you considered buying a Surface. That might suit your needs!


Have you considered a career with Microsoft's support or PR departments?

MS seem to becoming more and more erratic, randomly changing things with no real benefit (SIZE wise) but a clearly inferior product (No OPTICAL) for the same price! The mind boggles, what they playing at?
Yes, but they are looking ahead to THE FUTURE, where everybody has an HDMI AV receiver
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Old 19-06-2013, 17:35
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We'll, I'm a 'glass half full' type of guy. It looks nice and runs almost silent.My optical speakers run direct from my TV so if i decide to upgrade from my elite (fat) then I'll consider this.
Optical speakers?
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Old 19-06-2013, 17:48
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Yup. Although of course I'd assume that the 360 S will now be discontinued...
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me but it'll take time for the 360 S stock to dry up so i'll grab one by the weekend have to do it before these 360 E start appearing in my local game stores. I won't pay the same price for less features, i wonder if MS will be out a cable to allow the 360 E to have opitical like what came with the 360 Elite...
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Old 19-06-2013, 17:58
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We'll, I'm a 'glass half full' type of guy. It looks nice and runs almost silent.My optical speakers run direct from my TV so if i decide to upgrade from my elite (fat) then I'll consider this.
How dare you!
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