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Old 20-06-2013, 13:24
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I think if LS hadn't have used his double firing card last week, he could well have used it this week and booted Luisa out.
That would have appealed to my sense of justice and sent an even clearer message. He could even have been 100% clear about it. "Look, I'm firing you because you abdicated responsibility and you because you put him in such a difficult position to start with, just so you could usurp him."

I do think the producers may write it into the task rules from now on that teams must not change PMs mid-task. Otherwise it may get a bit silly, with every disgruntled candidate trying to engineer a palace coup just because they're unhappy with the PM. The message should be clear: if you change PM and you lose, you're both fired. End of discussion. Close the door on your way out.
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Old 20-06-2013, 13:54
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Yeah - but I guess as it was a 'first' it had to go out on air for the gimmick factor alone.
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Old 20-06-2013, 14:02
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I agree. That, and neither advert was quite as catastrophically awful as Octi-Kleen, Pants Man or some of its other predecessors.
Ha ha ha ha - Pants man! That was fantastic - he should have been announced the series winner on the spot.
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Old 20-06-2013, 15:45
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first post!

anyone see lord sugar holding back his laugh at alex in the commercial hahaha.
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Old 20-06-2013, 20:08
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I agree. That, and neither advert was quite as catastrophically awful as Octi-Kleen, Pants Man or some of its other predecessors.
I <3 My Tissues, anyone..?
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Old 20-06-2013, 21:03
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So Jason admits that he doesn't have killer instinct, when in the taxi home

Makes me wonder why he wanted to go on the damn show in the first place

You don't give up PM when you take it on, you gotta see it through

He probably got beaten up by girls when he was at school, and it's still happening now

Bloke needs to grow a pair
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Old 20-06-2013, 21:35
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So Jason admits that he doesn't have killer instinct, when in the taxi home

Makes me wonder why he wanted to go on the damn show in the first place

You don't give up PM when you take it on, you gotta see it through

He probably got beaten up by girls when he was at school, and it's still happening now

Bloke needs to grow a pair
Don't get the female DS Member fixation on this thread with Jason. He doesn't need mothering. He needs smothering
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Old 20-06-2013, 23:44
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So Jason admits that he doesn't have killer instinct, when in the taxi home

Makes me wonder why he wanted to go on the damn show in the first place


You don't give up PM when you take it on, you gotta see it through

He probably got beaten up by girls when he was at school, and it's still happening now

Bloke needs to grow a pair
Neither did Tom and he won
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Old 21-06-2013, 01:39
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I think Fran was only too quick to agree with Luisa, Neil was a bit more hesitant, but then he was quite nasty about Jason in the 'comments' bit on YF so maybe he just didn't want to look too eager to remove Jase as it may have proved to be the wrong move. Neil sensed this by agreeing that Luisa had bullied Jason in the BR thus avoiding Nicks wrath.
I had a very different perception. Francesca acceded to the change of PM before Neil, but she did so in a fairly hesitant way, along the lines of ""Well, if Jason wants to step down and Luisa wants to be PM that might be the best way to go". Neil was far more emphatic once he'd made up his mind.

I think we have to remember that Neil and Francesca must have been very much taken aback when the change was suggested. I don't think either of them really realised what a difficult time Jason had had with Luisa that day, and they didn't understand why this had happened. I think Francesca felt that a PM who didn't want to lead would be a handicap - I don't think she'd ever have accepted a takeover if Luisa had suggested it on her own. As for Neil, he's made it plain for some time he didn't rate Jason; for him, I think this was just more evidence that Jason was a "big girls blouse" who you couldn't count on. I think if they'd seen what we had, they might have reacted differently, especially Francesca (who didn't seem to like Luisa much).
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Old 21-06-2013, 01:40
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Yeah - but I guess as it was a 'first' it had to go out on air for the gimmick factor alone.
Though Helen did attempt a coup against Melody a couple of series back. However, Melody wasn't having it.
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Old 22-06-2013, 00:21
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"Luisa I think we're going to have more problems with you..."

"Can I...."

NO

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Old 26-06-2013, 04:32
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I had a very different perception. Francesca acceded to the change of PM before Neil, but she did so in a fairly hesitant way, along the lines of ""Well, if Jason wants to step down and Luisa wants to be PM that might be the best way to go". Neil was far more emphatic once he'd made up his mind.

I think we have to remember that Neil and Francesca must have been very much taken aback when the change was suggested. I don't think either of them really realised what a difficult time Jason had had with Luisa that day, and they didn't understand why this had happened. I think Francesca felt that a PM who didn't want to lead would be a handicap - I don't think she'd ever have accepted a takeover if Luisa had suggested it on her own. As for Neil, he's made it plain for some time he didn't rate Jason; for him, I think this was just more evidence that Jason was a "big girls blouse" who you couldn't count on. I think if they'd seen what we had, they might have reacted differently, especially Francesca (who didn't seem to like Luisa much).
Hardly. If they saw what we did, Neil would have got angry with Jason for being so useless. He wouldn't have tolerated the dithering at all. He doesn't cope with detail, or think much about any decision, or think much of Jason's ability on what we ahve seen before. It might have ended in some curt instructions to Jason. The question is if he would have deposed him, or just told him what to do. Jason tended to do what he was told by Neil so the take over may not have been necessary.

The ambiguity is that, as Luisa noted, Neil avoids responsibility and boardroom blame and risk. Taking over would have exposed him to risk. Doing it at the end of day one was the most dangerous time to do it - they had already failed part of the task, which might not be recoverable, and the takeover itself might be unpopular with Lord Sugar. Backseat driving would have been the safer option. As it was, Neil made the decision that Jason should go, and promptly handed the task and risk over to Luisa. He then handed directing the advert over to Francesca, and defined his role as supporting her. Along the way, it got forgotten that he had decisvely pushed the over 50s idea, which both girls predicted the right problems with, he had relayed the market research to Jason, and he had been there at every stage of the advert filming. To top it all, when Nick made his silly comments about Luisa, Neil manouvers to criticise both Luisa and Jason -so the blame for the takeover falls on Luisa - when he's the one who decided the issue.

Neil is probably one of the most transparent game players we have seen on the Apprentice. He habitually back seat drives, but he manouvers continually so his hand is rarely seen. You would hope Lord Sugar would have had noticed by now - but seemingly not .
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Old 26-06-2013, 10:39
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To top it all, when Nick made his silly comments about Luisa
What was silly about his comments? They were spot on.
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Old 26-06-2013, 13:56
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Hardly. If they saw what we did, Neil would have got angry with Jason for being so useless. He wouldn't have tolerated the dithering at all. He doesn't cope with detail, or think much about any decision, or think much of Jason's ability on what we ahve seen before. It might have ended in some curt instructions to Jason. The question is if he would have deposed him, or just told him what to do. Jason tended to do what he was told by Neil so the take over may not have been necessary.

The ambiguity is that, as Luisa noted, Neil avoids responsibility and boardroom blame and risk. Taking over would have exposed him to risk. Doing it at the end of day one was the most dangerous time to do it - they had already failed part of the task, which might not be recoverable, and the takeover itself might be unpopular with Lord Sugar. Backseat driving would have been the safer option. As it was, Neil made the decision that Jason should go, and promptly handed the task and risk over to Luisa. He then handed directing the advert over to Francesca, and defined his role as supporting her. Along the way, it got forgotten that he had decisvely pushed the over 50s idea, which both girls predicted the right problems with, he had relayed the market research to Jason, and he had been there at every stage of the advert filming. To top it all, when Nick made his silly comments about Luisa, Neil manouvers to criticise both Luisa and Jason -so the blame for the takeover falls on Luisa - when he's the one who decided the issue.

Neil is probably one of the most transparent game players we have seen on the Apprentice. He habitually back seat drives, but he manouvers continually so his hand is rarely seen. You would hope Lord Sugar would have had noticed by now - but seemingly not .
Well that's not exactly true considering he's taken over tasks before.

Week 1 - When Jason appointed him sub-team leader he said as much himself that he was the real leader.
Week 2 - He came up with the flavour, the name and the packaging of the beer.
Week 6 - Himself and Myles basically ran the whole day without much help from the PM.
Week 7 - His decision to choose the big item (which I can't actually remember what is was )


The fact if is any of these things had failed the task, he would have to take the responsibility. It's just the fact that when he made the big decisions his team won. The backseat driver in this competition is Jordan, doesn't make any big decisions himself and when he's pm delegates everything.

The fact is this week he had no responsibility to take, nor did Franchessca. They did what was asked of them by their pm. They got the market research, took photo's for the website and then worked well together with the advert, it didn't matter which of them went back to the br because the fact is neither of them had even a small chance of been fired when up against Luisa and Jason who were both ridiculous in this task.

And no it wasn't Neil's decision to let Jason go, it was Luisa's. "You can't change the project manager" is what Neil said, it was only at the end of their discussion that Neil basically summarized what was going on. And he didn't hand the directing over to Fran, she had more experience in that and so rightly led. You do realise others can make decisions themselves rather than someone else forcing them to do it? Nor did he push for the over 50's market, Jason said he wanted over 50's and Neil agreed, from the 30 seconds or less we saw of this discussion there was no 'pushing' yes Luisa didn't want over 50's but even Lord Sugar agreed their target market was a good one. Tbh if they'd have completed the website and if Luisa hadn't make the coup they would have probably won.

Sorry but the impression I get from your posts is that your trying the twist everything in order to make Luisa look better.
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