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And if people calm their hatred for Luisa they would realise it was quite clear that Jason was in the wrong, it was obvious Luisa was trying to hurry him up to no avail.
Jason bringing Fran back over Neil was a mistake aswell, personally all 4 of them should have been brought back. The way she went about it, wasn't very businesslike however, bullying him in front of the design people (though Jason didn't look bullied at all, he just ignored her). I still doubt whether her motives were as honourable as she made them out to be because there was probably also a big ego motive to impress LS. But then again: I don't believe Jason's motive to agree to step down was as noble as HE made it out to be. I think he realised he was out of his depth and he possibly picked up sympathy vibes from Nick? But the biggest maker up of stories to justify what happened or what needed to happen in hindsight is Lord Sugar himself. Unbelievable. |
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Her edit in the show is making her unemployable by any large company should she be looking to the Apprentice to give her career a boost..... The way she interacts with people is totally unacceptable, and as I said this weeks showing would have seen her up in front of personnel for some sort of disciplinary procedure.
Her reaction between the boardrooms, and in the final one was quite telling..... She really seemed to finally realise from what Nick and LS said that she had gone too far, and her behaviour hadn't gone unnoticed and remarked on. IMHO, all 4 of them should have been brought back.... Neil was lucky to escape scot free. Jason had the right ideas, he was basically ignored by the team once the flawed feedback from the focus group changed the plans. He was 100% right in choosing the over 50s as a target group.... There are a lot of divorced, widowed and separated people with big disposable incomes in that group, and Fran and Neil were 100% responsible for the awful advert which patronised the viewer and was targeted at the much older end of the market. Jason was weak and allowed himself to be bullied, and yes, he was probably the right one to go just because he essentially walked away from the task.....that said, his charm, intelligence and like ability, as well as his willingness to work hard at any task he is given uncomplainingly hasn't done his future employment prospects any harm...... Which is more than I can say for the others in his team. |
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Jason and Luisa should both have been fired this week IMHO.
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Jason and Luisa should both have been fired this week IMHO.
The other candidates all know what happened and what Luisa is like. I'm sure they'll consider her a threat, not for the win but someone who might 'do them in'. It will be interesting to see what happens next week and further on if Luisa survives that long. |
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I wouldn't use the word bullied, because I don't think it was Luisa's intent to 'bully' Jason... but she wore him down with her incessant unhelpfulness, questioning everything he was doing to the point where I honestly think Jason would have been better off and much quicker if Luisa simply wasn't there. She berated him until the point where we heard it ourselves from Jason that he had lost confidence in himself. Jason isn't a headstrong guy and probably not really suited to this process, but Luisa's attitude and manner with Jason was awful, and by not being at all helpful cost them a lot of time in the first day.
A team of two would get a lot more done than one person stuck with an obnoxious brick wall. |
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Nick has always argued against the loud females and backed Oxbridge males against even the quieter capable females. He's done the same with Ruth, Claire and Debra. He has a problem with loud females and a hang up on Edwardian manners. Lord Sugar has always ignored him and listened to other people. Its what the interviewers think about Luisa, and the substance of her proposal that will matter if she gets that far.Karen's also moved to get a say and counter Nick's view if she concludes he is wrong. Lord Sugar usually goes for someone safer to win , but he doesn't now have to worry so much about who will be popular in the office, and does have to worry more about who has business instincts.
This week she did better than most - if you treat it as a question of who showed most business sense. If it was Big Brother, she would be doomed for being loud and negative about, and rowing with and getting evicted, the male with a Teddy bear who lots of female voters fall for. But its not Big Brother. Neil pushed the wrong idea, pushed the market research unquestioningly, and produced the dull video, and made the final decision to replace Jason. he avoided yet again actually taking responsibility and risk himself - by passing the task and any blame for the takeover to Luisa and letting Francesca direct the video. Francesca did better spotting why the idea was a dud. But she then was more responsible for the advert and the market research. She also supported Jason going because she also thought he was useless. Jason picked the wrong target audience at stage one. He then abandoned his initial concept, and didn't challenge what Neil and Francesca reported to him. He didn't stick to his instincts - which Lord Sugar values. He then dithered too much, so they had no web page. He then realised he wasn't up to it. and abdicated to Luisa - which effectively acknowledged that he thought she could do better. He also failed at doing something that he was the only one with direct experience of, and failed to show the website design ability he would need for his proposal. Luisa spotted what was wrong with the idea from the start, and her analysis was right as that flaw proved fatal. She pushed Jason to make the decisions when time was running out and he was still waffling over changing colours. We saw him flitting between colours - there's no doubt he wasn't able to decide, or work to a timetable. She then stepped in. rather than standing back and watching it fall further apart- which Lord Sugar claims he wants people to do. Its hardly a safe option - as she couldn't revert at that stage to a better idea, and had put herself in the firing line. She gets lots of pluses there - and when she's accepting the dud group decisions so is everyone else. Now don't get me wrong, I could see myself getting potentially wound up by Luisa if I had to work/ live with her but but some of the comments on here towards her are way over the top. She was annoying as hell when they were designing the website, but people are playing the bullying card? Oh come on. I think Jason is a thoroughly nice chap but perhaps one of the wettest guys that's ever been on tv let alone this particular show. To accuse her of bullying for basically telling him to 'make a decision' repeatedly (and annoyingly) makes me think I've stumbled into the Big Brother or TOWIE section of the DS forums... |
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^Indeed. I doubt most people could have sat through the hours of dithering over the difference between teal and cyan or whatever it was while the team lost the task through lack of action.
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It's not only Nick who has a problem with her. Karen dislikes her as well. She is rude, disruptive and arrogant. You could see the ad company they were designing the website with were quite shocked by her behaviour and she was incredibly bad mannered a few weeks ago to someone who was also helping with the design of a website. She was also really ignorant a couple of weeks ago towards the girl they were considering hiring to do chocolate making at the 'business day out' task.
She hasn't a clue how to be polite, tactful or gracious. She's just a loud brash unpleasant individual. |
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ason's mistake was that when you have someone who will always want to have their say and make decisions and take control is to give them something to do. They'll never be happy to sit and watch you make decisions yourself - Luisa was sat there watching him make decisions about colour, because in her head, she'd already come up with a satisfactory answer. It doesn't take two people to work on a simple design task - one could have produced 3 options for one aspect, whilst the other covered another aspect, then they could decide which were best.
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It's not only Nick who has a problem with her. Karen dislikes her as well. She is rude, disruptive and arrogant. You could see the ad company they were designing the website with were quite shocked by her behaviour and she was incredibly bad mannered a few weeks ago to someone who was also helping with the design of a website. She was also really ignorant a couple of weeks ago towards the girl they were considering hiring to do chocolate making at the 'business day out' task.
She hasn't a clue how to be polite, tactful or gracious. She's just a loud brash unpleasant individual. |
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She could never work in an open office she’d need a shed at the far end of the car park.
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Or maybe the biggest office of them all
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... with her employees far away say, in another country.
![]() ![]() They'd just get e-mails with instructions in them, and the 'reply' button would be disabled... |
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What did Louisa actually contribute to the task?
As soon as she didn’t get her way and they chose over 50’s (a market that Lord Sugar said was good) she was nothing but negative. Even when she took over I didn’t see her add much, her pitch was not very good even taking into account the rubbish advert and website to go with it. |
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What did Louisa actually contribute to the task?
As soon as she didn’t get her way and they chose over 50’s (a market that Lord Sugar said was good) she was nothing but negative. Even when she took over I didn’t see her add much, her pitch was not very good even taking into account the rubbish advert and website to go with it. - each time she's in front of an audience.
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What did Louisa actually contribute to the task?
As soon as she didn’t get her way and they chose over 50’s (a market that Lord Sugar said was good) she was nothing but negative. Even when she took over I didn’t see her add much, her pitch was not very good even taking into account the rubbish advert and website to go with it. She pitched. She held the team together a LOT better than Jason ever did. They worked well on Day 2; did they not? In fact... better than the other team. |
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He took 45 mins to choose colours, how could she have assisted?
He was very lucky to get as far as he did . Never in a million years was he going to be Sugar's business partner . |
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It's not only Nick who has a problem with her. Karen dislikes her as well. She is rude, disruptive and arrogant. You could see the ad company they were designing the website with were quite shocked by her behaviour and she was incredibly bad mannered a few weeks ago to someone who was also helping with the design of a website. She was also really ignorant a couple of weeks ago towards the girl they were considering hiring to do chocolate making at the 'business day out' task.
She hasn't a clue how to be polite, tactful or gracious. She's just a loud brash unpleasant individual. All she needed to do was lie through her teeth saying she was terribly sorry but her project manager was going with something else/wouldn't let her spend the money, but she thought it was great. Then ask for a favour. |
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She was the only one to contribute to the website in the shortened time. Jason got there & told her to take over, call the shots & make the decisions.
She pitched. She held the team together a LOT better than Jason ever did. They worked well on Day 2; did they not? In fact... better than the other team. ![]() Her pitch was actually atrocious, as Jason rightly said later in the boardroom, she was deliberately out to seek the limelight. This was supported by her behaviour towards Neil. When they were discussing who should do the pitch, you could tell she was incredibly intimidated by Neil as he is a far far far superior salesperson than she is. She didn't use his expertise because she wanted to have the attention on her and the pitch suffered as a result. She most certainly knew that Neil would have done a better job. I don't think her leadership skills were great at all, it was very obvious that she was working for herself and only took the lead to promote herself. Neil and Francesca did all the video work by themselves with virtually no input from Luisa. She showed no signs of wanting to work as a team, especially looking at how she behaved towards Neil. Luisa is a waste of time as a candidate, she is extremely egotistical and obnoxious and she doesn't work well in a team. I'm sure that at least half of all the candidates have had a disagreement with her at some stage. She has a destructive personality and isn't a great leader. The last time she won, none of her team members attributed the win to her, which resulted in her sulking at them. She's not great at all. |
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Working as a team contributes to the unity of the oneness of the corporate wellbeing insofar as motivation can move forward as one in corporate wellness.
Or something. You'll have to ask Francesca to expand further
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Luisa deliberately sabotaged the task from the start. When you work in a team, everyone has to pull their weight in order to achieve the end goal. There is no I in team. She should have gave him some suggestions in order to get things done quicker. Instead she was whining and moaning like a whingy teenager, Luisa isn't a child that she has to be spoon fed everything that needs to be done.
She couldn't even keep her mouth zipped til they got to the car instead made a show of herself walking through the office. She was so rude, condecending to that chocolate lady in the corporate away day task and she had the nerve to ask her for piping bags. The other week she made the remark about how she was bought into the boardroom because she was good looking (is she for real?!). Karren put Luisa in her place about her attitude in the corporate away day task I think. Nick was right on the money about Luisas behaviour, she was so appalling this week and continues to be. In the farm shop task, she was PM, her team called her out for being a poor leader and Suggs telling she should thank her team members for the win. Luisa sulked like a 3 year old as she couldn't handle the truth. Luisa comes across as a very self absorbed, arrogant, egotistical, poor listener, poor leadership abilities and loves the sound of her own voice type of primadonna. I would hate to work for her let alone alongside her. x |
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LThere is no I in team.
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The failure of their task had nothing to do with the team's disunity or change of PM. Ironically they had the most 'cohesive' advertising campaign of the two. The failure lay in opting for a safe and boring product.
By abdicating Jason left it that there were two PMs so without anyone else's doing he was automatically back in the boardroom as he would have been even without Luisa's aggression and abdication. Their fate was cast as soon as they went for 'friendship and flowers'. (Incidentally I have some friends in their 50's and 60's and for some of them, men especially, they want sex, sex and more sex. The idea of a cosy friendship that might lead to romance would not suit!) |
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What did Louisa actually contribute to the task?
As soon as she didn’t get her way and they chose over 50’s (a market that Lord Sugar said was good) she was nothing but negative. Even when she took over I didn’t see her add much, her pitch was not very good even taking into account the rubbish advert and website to go with it. |
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She was awful. I'd hate to have to work with anyone who behaves like that.
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- each time she's in front of an audience.