Actually the real failure of the task was the failure to complete the website. Even LS admitted Jason's idea was good and it was a tough decision, but there was no way he could have given it to a team that couldn't complete the task.

Totally agree,
Jason is to good and nice for this programme and in a way am glad he has gone. But I am very annoyed with Lord Sugar for not booting out that ill mannered tactless bully of a bitch at the same time. She is such a bad example I hope she goes soon.

Its not Big Brother. where the female audience would vote her out in the first two weeks, and would keep Jason in till the end, before voting for Alex on comedy or looks. Nor is Lord Sugar looking for someone to work in one of his offices. He's looking for a business partner with business instincts, who can make him money. He's hardly a quiet tactful, wallflower himself. Nor is he likely to turn against anyone for speaking in an Essex accent, given his own. Luisa's shown more business sense than almost all of them. The other people with business instincts - notably Alex and Neil and Leah, have all of Luisa's faults, and have made silly mistakes she hasn't yet. She's turned Nick against her, but thats par for the course with Nick and it doesn't usually count for much unless someone else confirms that view. Luisa's job is just not to annoy Lord Sugar, or make him think she will lose him money and she's not annoyed him yet, because she knows how to conduct herself with him.

I’d say both Luisa and Jason are about equal in my eyes on performance.

Luisa certainly has a lot of strengths, but conversely her weaknesses are just as pronounced. If she doesn’t get her way then she sulks and can quite easily sabotage a task and her ideas are not that great either. She did a good job in the caravan task of showing enthusiasm and selling.
Whilst she saved the team money in the corporate training by doing the cupcakes herself, the feedback on that was that it was a waste of time. It wouldn’t have taken much effort to give at least a tenuous link it to their theme. Say get someone to describe the cake they want and the other to try and make it, or each person does a certain bit. But once again in that task Luisa was great at pointing out others flaws but not so good at coming up with useful solutions.

Jason on the other hand has less strengths but also his weaknesses are less of an issue to the rest of the team. He needs some management to stop him dithering but will mostly just get on with things. He is creative a well, if only he had stuck to his original idea of a site aimed at vibrant 50+ year olds.

One of the flaws of the show is that many tasks are reliant on the candidates being able to perform tasks they are new to. These can be vital, such as preparing the food they are trying to sell, but this does mean there can be a lack of “glamorous” roles to go round.
I’d quite like to see tasks where they have to hire and manage employees. Surely hiring and managing a team of food preparers would be a much better indication of suitability than how well you can do it?

Ooh, that's quite good! I like that idea a lot.

Trouble there is that anybody could fall victim to the same thing Jason did, whereby a mediocre manager with a more willing staff would be more successful than a good manager with an uncooperative staff.

Seems like, all the way through this series, the other participants have used Jason as an object of criticism regardless of whether it was deserved or not and, in the most recent task, they all simply decided not to give him the same cooperation they gave Luisa.

Still, I guess it's all a game so they're entitled to do that if they think it'll help whittle down the competition.

Must say, I think it might be good if somebody had the bottle to call the other members of their team on that kind of bullshit though.
In the Dubai task, for example, if Zee' really was as confident as he sounded, he should've just told everybody else to f**k off to the hotel bar and done it all by himself.
I'm sure he could've got more than 4 (?) items by himself if he knew what he was doing.

Did you guys watch Young Apprentice? The cookbook episode in Series 3 made me think of this a little... Lucy was a very strong, confident and fair Project Manager, but half of her team were very uncooperative. They made a big mistake, and immediately tried to pin the blame on Lucy. I think that Lucy handled the situation as well as anyone could have though, and they won that task.

It's on YouTube if you haven't seen it.

You do wonder if she would have thought after surviving that boardroom that she was in the clear, when infact I do suspect her chances of winning would now be zero as she has shown herself in all her glory (and I dont mean in those photos either), There is no way on earth siralan would work with her.

She might just as well have shared Jasons cab home because she done.

I dunno.

Thing is, there are some tasks where the winners are decided by the profit or some other measurable means but there are also tasks (like this one) where the winner is just decided on opinion.

I can't help thinking that the tasks where the winner is decided by opinion are always an opportunity to get rid of people LSA isn't keen on.

In this case, it seems like LSA had the opportunity to get rid of Luisa if he really wanted to but didn't take it.

Course, he only has to pick one winner at the end of it all so I guess it's just a case of keeping hold of the most promising candidate and then, maybe, keeping hold of the people who are likely to make the best TV as well.

Trust me, if I got her in bed she would spend the whole night moanning.

I could picture it (brain bleach please!)


Luisa:
You are not doing it right!
NO, not that, you are not doing it right!
NO, not there either!!!!
Here, I'll do it!
You can sit in that corner while I do your job better than you!



See... lots of moaning!

I agreed with Luisa. If I were the graphic designer, I would have told him to make a decision as well, instead of wasting everyones time.

The website layout was definitely a stitch up. If one of our designers had taken 90 minutes to come up with what they managed I would be asking what they had done for the extra hour.

Very true! They hardly needed a working website. A simple mock-up would have done the job of conveying the look & feel.

I think it was entirely her fault.

As Jason was picking the colours, rather than "oh that one looks fine" or "No definitely not that one" she just sat and said "we have to go we have to go we have to go" offering nothing to the task whatsoever and adding to his delay. She knew then he was indecisive, but rather than help make a decision she threw him under the bus.

She seems a genuinely horrible person from what we've seen on the show.

Completely agree.

Ironically, if she had kept her mouth shut he would probably have made a decision - it was her constant nagging that led to the delay.

Agreed 100% with this.

I'm a bit late to the party but it was clear from the moment Jason decided on the over 50s rather than the young professionals as his target market that Luisa wasn't going to co-operate. I actually found her hounding of Jason hard to watch and the 'meeting' back at the house where they changed project manager also difficult to watch. I haven't been keen on Luisa and her attitude from early on but actually if we're talking about nastiness here Francesca was just as bad if not worse in the boardroom.
The PM change was not for the good of the team it was to make sure Luisa was the centre of attention and could look like the hero. Thankfully Nick stepped in and made everyone aware of how it actually played out, although I think Neil got off lightly, he wasn't far behind Luisa in removing Jason as PM.
The entire team were weak, their attempt at market research was pathetic. It was almost as if they thought 'oh well if we lose Jason is a pretty sure bet for not defending himself tooth and nail in the boardroom so we'll all be alright.'
In all honesty Lord Sugar could've gotten rid of Luisa as well as Jason this week, her card is well and truly marked now and she'll be gone next time she slips up.

The point is they did have to go. He was still dithering over the colour scheme and unable to leave it alone. There was no time for a discussion. She has no alternative but to keep on repeating the same point that there's no time and he had to stop. He's panicking and trying to save his failure, but at that point there's no time left to improve it. She's gots someone who is losing touch with reality - not surprisingly when it looks as if its his indecision thats been the problem and its produced a half done result.

If Neil or Alex had been, there they wouldn't have just kept on telling Jason that time was up. We have already seen how the alpha males/people who think they are alpha males treated Jason - they tell him to stop being so stupid and ignore what he says and give him orders what to do instead. Thats not open to a female like Luisa - although Leah might try and nearly did it to Zee. Luisa ironically gets the blame, because she's meant to be more female, and she's dared to be unpleasant to to the guy who fits the classic, in need of mothering, male character thats so popular with reality TV viewers. I suspect that if Neil had done it more harshly, the view would be that it was a shame, but needed doing. He clearly shared Luisa's analysis , amd seemed angrier when he made the final call that Jason had to go, so Jason may well have been lucky that he wasn't with him instead of Luisa.

That's true to a large extent.

They did have to go and Luisa doesn't have any other option in her limited people skills armour but to keep on telling Jason "We have to go" (repeat ad infinitum).

It's also likely that Neil or Alex would have done things differently as in imposed their own will on things and ignored Jason's self-imposed dithery dilemma.

However, there was possibly another route here. That of not nagging or ignoring but gentle (or slightly firmer ) persuasion. It is annoying when someone is acting like there's all the time in the world when there clearly isn't and dawdling over apparently simple decisions like choosing a couple of colours. That said, there aren't merely two options (whine to get a move on versus ignore and do your own thing) in this situation. It's usually pretty obvious when someone isn't decisive and nudging them to one or other of the possibilities they've selected would seem the obvious way to go. Not simply chanting "Make a decision, make a decision, make a decision" like a nagging mantra.

And it is probably likely that had Neil or Alex ignored Jason's floundering and imposed their own ideas it would have gone down better than Luisa's apparent whinge with no positive substance. But that's because positive action to annoyance tends to bring more positive response than negative action to the same.

I think it sounds a bit sexist, but Jason deferred to the loud, forceful, males. He took orders to shut up from Alex , or to stop going on about motorbikes from Neil. I don't think Luisa can't get his attention , or change his direction, in the way that Neil or Alex could. That actually continues until its Neil who tells him to go. He's also meant to be PM - which makes things more difficult for both of them. He seems to me to be stuck between wanting to lead and do well as PM, and seeing good reasons why he should let someone else do it - and that mixture isn't helping his ability to make decisions, or see whats going on. .

Its possible that saying something different could have worked at an earlier stage - but we don't know what Luisa or Jason was saying in the time before the camera shows them. .We don't know whether she started pushing him too early, or whether he was as indecisive at the beginning as he was at the end. We don't know how many solutions she offered, or how many he accepted and then changed his mind. When we do see them time has run out, he looks like he is panicking, and not listening to me, and she's clearly fed up of making the point over and over again. She might have found a way at the end to get him out of his funk, or it might have made things worse and looked worse. The best course of action might be to send him away and do it herself, but he didn't seem to want to do that, or realise what was going on, and its not clear what the rules allow about splitting the team? A tactful bathroom break might have solved the problem, but he seemed determined to try another colour whatever she said , or what the time was?

We also still have no answer to the delay issue , or how long they had. We don't know how that contributed to how they started the web design, or what the final time constraint was, or if there was much more of the website design process we didn't see. The shorter the time available is, the more it needs teh sort of decision making that Jason can't offer, and the more they are certain to clash as he seems unable to cope with it?

Yeah, she really is horrid - personally I think she's a skanky attention whore who's more bothered about looks than business. She definitely does that whole "look at me look at me" thing in the boardroom of shoving her face way forward whilst flicking her eyes rapidly between Alan, Nick and Karen to make sure they're looking at her, and doesn't come across at all as a business-minded person.

She's not only got Nick against her, she's got Karen against her, I doubt very much unless she does something extraordinary next time round that Karen is going to be free with the praise. Made a rod for her own back, really.

In terms of who I think will win, it's a toss-up between Myles and Neil for me - the rest don't seem to have anything at all about them.

Since she said 'I hate the over 50s,' they probably hate her too! Nice looking woman but a nasty piece of work.

Luisa said she hated the name (and presumably concept) Friendship and Flowers, just after Neil and Francesca reported the market research.

Then when she and Jason were leaving the agency, she did indeed say, "I hate the over 50s."

Can we give Luisa the benefit of the doubt and take it that she was talking about the concept and not the people? And what is the point of You're Fired if they do not replay this at five minute intervals?

Luisa is rude at every opportunity she gets. She undermined Jason from the beginning of the task and before they even got to the website design. She was horrrible to the woman who did the cupcake classes. All she did on last week's task was barrack Jason. The people working at the IT company were totally bemused by her loud complaining. In the company training task, she was moaning, smirking and undermining Francesca to Jordan was she giving a talk. I'd like to see her try and undermine a candidate with a more forceful personality than Jason, if she dare. She's very unprofessional.