Who should have been fired?

Luisa of course.

Luisa.

Yes. People here will say Luisa deserved to go because they don't like her but it was clear it had to be Jason, and he was my favourite up until this point.

I would have fired Jason because he is too much of a ditherer

AND

Luisa because of what Nick said in the boardroom.

A double-firing.

As much as the British public love Jason....LS was right in firing Jason.

Can't believe people here are picking Luisa over Francesca and Jason. We are watching the Apprentice right? Which is a search for the candidate with the best business skills. Luisa is one of the strongest candidates in here. And people only want her off because of her personality. She can sell, come up with ideas and lead. She's also decisive.

What has Francesca demonstrated? Absolutely nothing, she's been useless. Nothing has happened in the past few weeks, other than a horrific role as PM. She was terrible. And hasn't been a standout in any of the tasks. Yet for some reason she's popular on DS...why? She's not even a nice person as has been proven in the boardroom! And it's funny she got angry that she was brought back! Neil was great and he has been for the past few tasks! As if LS would fire him! Why would Jason be so stupid!

And Jason was so indecisive! Why can't Jason just make a decision. It was cringing to watch his hesitation. Luisa was completely right in this case. Why are people defending him!? And people like him on here again because he's a nice guy...that's it! He has no business skills yet people think he should still stay!

The only real difference between the teams tonight was that jason's team (the day he was PM) failed to complete the website task. Otherwise both teams' efforts were pretty feeble.

As the failure to complete the website was observably Jason's fault - dithering over colours, poor time management during the day, they could have finished the programme at 9.20pm. That was almost the first completion responsibility that Jason has had (apart from peeling carrots) in 9 weeks, and the only part of any task that was left unfinished. Not a hard decision, the rest of the consideration tonight was froth and padding.

The problem with Luisa is that she could quickly alienate herself from staff is she acts in the way she does. That is why Nick had that go at her, why Karen wants to follow her next week and Sir Alan is having his doubts.

She does have drive and some talent but she needs to learn tact. Being a manager is as much about managing other people as being decisive. She has to learn from the criticism that has come her way in the boardroom after this task.

Sugar would fire her in a second is acted to him like she acted towards Jason.

Luisa is all "Me! Me! Me!"

She acts like a spoilt brat when she doesn't get her own way, and whilst the edit could have made her look like she was nagging away at Jason non stop all the time when in fact she didn't - the fact that Nick confirmed that her behaviour was every bit as bad as the edit showed says a lot!

She is definitely NOT a team player, and as such would be a nightmare employee, a dreadful employer, and he'll on earth to have as a partner.... I doubt if many women would work for her for any length of time - and men don't like ball breakers much either.

She needs a personality transplant to get anywhere in life.

Jason was the right person to be fired as he was just not suited to this process.

That said Luisa is a typically gobby young know it all who will get her comeuppance soon enough with a bit of luck. She may be lovely in reality, but she comes across as a rather unpleasant character in the show!

Ok, I have lurked around this part of the forum for a while now but I can't help but put my input into this and I have to say that Luisa should have been fired - she was completely out of order and unprofessional totally unacceptable. I would like to stress that up til this point I have defended her because yes she has shown childish, immature behavior at times she has on the whole shown herself to be a pretty strong candidate. Very much lowered my opinion of her the way she acted this episode.

Personally I would have given Jason the benefit of the doubt this time and given him a final ultimatum but if I didn't think that would help I would have fired him as well as Luisa and not instead of and more importantly I would have fired him after Luisa.

I love Jason but it was the right time for him to go. Luisa was ghastly & would trample on anyone to show she's the best candidate (she's not), but Jason should never had abdicated.

Either Jason or Luisa would have been a fair firing; Jason for his dithering and Luisa for her obnoxious behaviour. I'd say Jason myself; Luisa has ability and might learn to treat people better, but Jason seemed to have little but charm (which is itself a useful business tool, but you need more).

Francesca was only guilty of making a bad advert, which matters far less than the flaws the others showed. As I've posted on another thread, her anger in the boardroom was amply justified by Jason's unfair and dishonest attempt to blame her over the market research.

I disagree so much here, Fran should have gone. She made a bad advert - half of the task in this case.

And her anger was justified? How? In what way? Jason seemed to be pretty calm at that point and before he had even said anything, Fran had already spewed something out about him to LS when LS asked Jason why he abdicated. And you honestly think that her anger was justified by Jason's one-time accusation of not properly delivering market research? Ridiculous - it was all about that horrible, cringing, patronizing advert she made.

This has proven that she's not nice, she's useless and has got no business skills.

Agree with fireemblemcraze here.

No way on earth Luisa should have gone. For me, she's the strongest candidate...

...which is why Neil will probably win it. She might be 'too much' to be someone's sidekick.

Francesca is useless, Jason is a lovely bloke but utterly useless. Right decision by a mile LS!

I agree, both should have gone. Jason will make a great employee, but he doesn't possess any real entrepreneurial drive.
Luisa is just not a team player, probably ok running her own small business but she would be no good in the big corporate world.

Disagree with you about Jason's entrepreneurial abilities!

He's a thinker and a planner - and the short timescales forced on them in the Apprentice tasks don't suit his way of working.

He's the sort of bloke who would work out what he needed to do before going at a task half cocked, and probably do it perfectly. Louisa's constant yapping and nagging weren't going to have any positive effect - and probably meant he took even longer as she kept butting in on his train of thought.

Would much rather work with or for Jason than that harpy!

This. Nobody is questioning he isn't a great guy, and somebody you'd want to be friends with... but for this task, he was responsible for the failure of the task. The biggest failure of course being the incomplete website.

Not only did he make the pair late to the webpage design meeting in the first place, once there he had ultimately given up, he flatout told Luisa to just handle it and he'd take a backseat. Even if they were late, that wasn't the right thing to do. They needed to work together & Luisa, although not as nice of a person, would've worked with him.

I'm a huge fan of Jason as a person, but as the next Apprentice, no. People who are not voting Jason are voting based on who they liked more personally, rather than looking at it with an unbiased perspective.

Jason being calm isn't the issue; the point is he was outright accusing her of misrepresenting the market research. Doing it in a calm tone doesn't make it better.

We don't know exactly what Francesca was going to say about the circumstances under which Jason stepped down as PM, as she was interrupted. Certainly the gist of it was clearly going to be to disagree with Jason's account. I think Francesca was being honest about the circumstances as far as she knew them, but she didn't know as much as she thought she did; she hadn't been there to see how Luisa treated Jason. To that extent she was - unwittingly, in my opinion - unfair.

Francesca should have gone - her market research was rubbish, she went with completely leading questions & didn't test out the "edgy & modern" idea the team had originally though of at all. The idea that she was spinning that they "have no idea who the over 50s are" is ridiculous - do they not have parents? Or have they not worked with people older than themselves? Her approach that the over 50s were some kind of alien species meant it was doomed from the start, and the initial mistake was compounded by the cheesy advert & branding that would have been suited only to a daytime tv channel that no one watches or the back pages of the Reader's Digest. Jason should have pushed harder for his original concept, but it was an advertising task & Francesca showed that she had no idea how to sell their concept to the target market they had chosen.

I think Neil was incredibly lucky to survive being bought into the boardroom.

They should have all been bought back in and be up for firing.

She displayed her horrible traits in even more depth last night.

I have seen these type of women in action before and they don't do well in business. What most businesses are looking for in a manager is someone who leads, motivates and inspires their team. She just hasn't got it and just doesn't get it. When Nick criticised her treatment of Jason she just pulled a face as though he didn't know what he was talking about. Stupid woman.

There's a big debate going on as to why there are so few women in the boardroom - she is the reason personified.

Jason would make an incredibly annoying boss to anyone with their own drive. My boss drives me nuts because he 'takes time' over decisions. Quite often this includes poring over options which rule themselves out for other reasons (e.g. a location is too far away, but he'll mull it over anyway when we have other equally suitable venues in the right place).

I'm a good thinker, but I know when to reserve the instinct to contemplate things, and the time to make decisions!

Luisa should have been fired last night. She totally browbeat Jason in front of the others at the agency and really hoping her team loses next week and Lord Sugar fires her.