That is the key fact everyone is missing on here.

If she gets to the interviews it will be up there with the great apprentice moments.

Sugar knows this as well

Anyone reminded of Debra Barr? Nick and Margaret couldn't stand her but Sir Alan continually kept her on. I'd definitely compare her to Luisa.

I think he's gone off her, at first he probably liked it that she wasn't afraid to say what she thinks, but tonight I think he realised she goes too far, she berated Jason and didn't support him, all she did was moan and forced him to step down.

Likes her? Knows she's good for the ratings more like. As soon as we get to the serious stuff he will realise that working with her would be like drilling your own teeth and she'll be gone!

Personally she reminded me of a cross between Debra Barr and Kate Walsh. She has the audacity, rudeness, potential and fire that Debra had ,certainly. When I was watching some series 5 episodes back what struck me was when Kate made a comment along the lines of 'I get judged for looking a bit like a barbie doll', and that was very similar comment that Luisa made about her looks in a previous boardroom. Of course Kate had a much more professionally rounded skillset though.

That's very, very harsh on Debra Barr.

Karen taking over the observation of luisa from Nick....wonder if she will say stuff to her, that Nick didnt until the BR that is)!!

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't saying she deserved to be fired or that Nick/Margaret's hate was justified or even that they are similar competence-wise. I just meant that it is evident that they both weren't given any favours by Nick or Margaret.

lol!

I think he could be keeping her there as a catalyst, because she winds other people up. A team leader who can work with Luisa will have proved to him that they can manage awkward, potentially disruptive people. Or her inability to work co-operatively at times might throw light on another candidate's flaws, as it did tonight.

I agree. Debra Barr was abrasive but had miles more acumen than Luisa - her management of the farm shop task was pitiful and she was saved by her team. Plus we know her business plan is cupcakes which is never going to fly with Sugar (!) much less the muck the tabloids can rake up on her which will put him off.

You could be right as her and Neil tolerate each other as they know they have to get rid of the other to win

I was only reminded in the sense that they both could rub people up the wrong way and Nick and Margaret didn't like either of them.

I think Debra is miles better business-wise than Luisa is - honest!

I can't see AS wanting to work with such a nagging loudmouth. She's good entertanment value though.

I agree he will take her as far as he can which will probably be the interviews. Although he might break the mould with safe winners

Hopefully. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to work with her.

Migh be right in real life - Debra seems very successful. In terms of the show, though, Luisa's made more right calls and made fewer errors.Debra got near to going home on mistakes, much more often. Luisa didn't get that much credit for it, but she steered her team to a win, avoiding spending too much or too little, in the farm shop task and she's got the big business issue right most weeks - most recently this week when she spotted that over 50s were the wrong market to get into.

Lord Sugar himself said it was a good market to go for. They just went about it the wrong way because of the market research.

You can read it three ways. Karen wants to decide for herself. Or, she agrees with Nick and wants to put the boot in herself. Or, she realises that Nick is an old fogie who wouldn't recognise a good business idea if it fell on him, she thinks Luisa has potential, and she's moving to redress the balance if she thinks its justified.


Next week may tell.

She's competent but very annoying and hard to work with. Sugar is definitely cognisant of this.

Her abrasive personality is good for TV ratings though.

Yes it will be although I don't think Karen came across very well in that edit. She wants to watch Luisa so she will have no interest in the other two or three in her team.

It sounded very vindictive

Its a good market to go for if you understand it. But they didn't - so they went with a generic view of old old folk, and their market research that supported that.

If they looked closer at it, they might have realised that over 50 is a set of different ages and target markets and not one - so no advert might appeal to people spread over the same number of years as the under 50 one might be.

Not sure if even the idea of the active, healthy, happy, 50-60 year olds has that much merit anyway.Lord Sugar may think he is one, but its partly myth. Its also partly government propaganda to justify making people work on longer and adverttisers trying to create a market. There's a lot of very tired people, falling apart physically, in that age group too.

as someone who is very close to that age demographic , I can say I feel no different from the way I did when I was 30 apart from being happier in my own skin.
I am still interested in the same things still go to the gym still like sex a lot the only difference now is that I drink Hendricks gin rather than Gordons because I have more disposable income as my kids become employed and less dependent on me and I dont need a babysitter when I want to go out .
Strangely I have friends in this age group too and we didnt hit the big 50 and suddenly trade in our tarts trotters for a pair of sensible brogues and our tickets to festivals for a national trust day pass.

A fourth way - if Luisa has to go (and I'd guess that this will happen soon) it's best if Karen has at some point put the boot into her. As that helps deflect any accusations of sexism and 'being unable to deal with strong women'.

While there are some people falling apart in the 50-60 age range, there are also people who are very fit and healthy. I think it's a bit strong to describe people in that age range being 'active, healthy, happy' as 'a bit of a myth'.

These old people falling apart physically wouldnt be interested in dating either so they would hardly be the ones to target.

I am in the age group but the thought of community centre tea dances fill me with dread. Lots of people lose their partners in this age bracket and would love companionship leading to something more after a period of time, so the teams were sadly lacking in most areas of simple common sense.