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Yes, she wore poor old Jason down just like Sir AL said. If I'm being cynical, you might even think she spotted a weakness in Jason - a tendency to fluster when harangued - and deliberately exploited it to produce total meltdown in him. And guess who's there to pick up the pieces and become team leader.
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Yes, she wore poor old Jason down just like Sir AL said. If I'm being cynical, you might even think she spotted a weakness in Jason - a tendency to fluster when harangued - and deliberately exploited it to produce total meltdown in him. And guess who's there to pick up the pieces and become team leader.
The problem with Luisa - and this is less of a problem in her own business than it is in team situations - is that everything is all about her. I am the best PM. I have the best ideas. I will do the pitch because I can do it better than anyone. That's not how you lead a team. In many instances a boss can do a job better than their subordinates - the trick is how you involve everyone to achieve the best overall result from a happy and motivated team. Luisa just doesn't get that, because she can't see beyond what's best for her. Jordan was criticised in the boardroom for being a delegator, but in a project situation that's exactly what a PM does. Utilise your resources, fit people to the right jobs, keep on top of the big picture. |
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Jordan was criticised in the boardroom for being a delegator, but in a project situation that's exactly what a PM does. Utilise your resources, fit people to the right jobs, keep on top of the big picture.
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Indeed. The appropriate criticism of Jordan is that he took his eye off the ball so the advert had nothing to do with the web site.
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A fourth way - if Luisa has to go (and I'd guess that this will happen soon) it's best if Karen has at some point put the boot into her. As that helps deflect any accusations of sexism and 'being unable to deal with strong women'.
I doubt Suralan has any say at this stage - not until they get down to the genuine 'possibles'. |
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The thing with Luisa is that she has come off terribly from this whole process. She may have got further than Jason, but she has lost all credibility in doing so.
She comes across as a cheap, lazy, poorly spoken wannabe. I'm sure Lord Sugar has kept her in for entertaining values not business acumen. The way she spoke with Jason yesterday in the Graphic Design Studio was disgusting, bickering so loudly on the way out, that all the staff turned to look at who was behaving in such a manner. She really has no class at all, she has no idea how to behave. |
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To be honest, I don't think she deliberately undermined Jason - she's canny enough to know that the most important thing is to win the task. I think what she did was to do what she always does when she doesn't get her way up front, which is to whinge constantly. She also didn't recognise that Jason has a different thinking style to her - he's an introverted thinker who needs time to process, so her constantly hurrying him up only made things worse. Once she'd realised he was struggling and - being Luisa - she had already assumed that her way of doing things would be better, it was a logical jump in her mind to become PM.
The problem with Luisa - and this is less of a problem in her own business than it is in team situations - is that everything is all about her. I am the best PM. I have the best ideas. I will do the pitch because I can do it better than anyone. That's not how you lead a team. In many instances a boss can do a job better than their subordinates - the trick is how you involve everyone to achieve the best overall result from a happy and motivated team. Luisa just doesn't get that, because she can't see beyond what's best for her. Jordan was criticised in the boardroom for being a delegator, but in a project situation that's exactly what a PM does. Utilise your resources, fit people to the right jobs, keep on top of the big picture. |
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Its a good market to go for if you understand it. But they didn't - so they went with a generic view of old old folk, and their market research that supported that.
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A very sound summary. Luise is totally self-absorbed and that is utterly useless in a team. She'll go soon.
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For the general public this is a popularity contest, which is why Luisa is currently leading a poll of who should have been fired, when one of the other candidates actually STOOD DOWN as team leader.
Her personality isn't brilliant, but she's more than a match for any of the others in there. Fair is fair. |
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Except that they only went with that view after the market research. It was probably Jason's downfall that he listened to the market research in the first place - a response that was encouraged by Luisa herself.
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For the general public this is a popularity contest, which is why Luisa is currently leading a poll of who should have been fired, when one of the other candidates actually STOOD DOWN as team leader.
Her personality isn't brilliant, but she's more than a match for any of the others in there. Fair is fair. LS has enough people on his 'team' to control her if necessary and is quite capable of doing it himself as well as he pointed out to her. She doesnt seem as 'scared' of him as the others which I am sure he notices and gives her points for. |
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Likes her? Knows she's good for the ratings more like. As soon as we get to the serious stuff he will realise that working with her would be like drilling your own teeth and she'll be gone!
If she survives to the interviews, she will be unceremoniously ripped to shreds by Margaret or one of the other sharks, but she provides us with great entertainment in the meantime.... |
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That is the key fact everyone is missing on here.
If she gets to the interviews it will be up there with the great apprentice moments. Sugar knows this as well Sir Baron Lord Sugar definitely likes Luisa. He sees something in her & seems willing to forgive her, more so than he would do for anyone else. |
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For the general public this is a popularity contest, which is why Luisa is currently leading a poll of who should have been fired, when one of the other candidates actually STOOD DOWN as team leader.
Her personality isn't brilliant, but she's more than a match for any of the others in there. Fair is fair. |
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I think he's gone off her, at first he probably liked it that she wasn't afraid to say what she thinks, but tonight I think he realised she goes too far, she berated Jason and didn't support him, all she did was moan and forced him to step down.
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Its a good market to go for if you understand it. But they didn't - so they went with a generic view of old old folk, and their market research that supported that.
If they looked closer at it, they might have realised that over 50 is a set of different ages and target markets and not one - so no advert might appeal to people spread over the same number of years as the under 50 one might be. Not sure if even the idea of the active, healthy, happy, 50-60 year olds has that much merit anyway.Lord Sugar may think he is one, but its partly myth. Its also partly government propaganda to justify making people work on longer and adverttisers trying to create a market. There's a lot of very tired people, falling apart physically, in that age group too. I was appalled by their tv advertisment, just as I was by that terrible magazine for old crocks last year. I am indeed 50-something, and in no way 'down with the yoof culture'; I don't 'go clubbing', whatever that is, or shop at Desiguel, and I DO ( as someone sneered earlier on) have National Trust membership, but what on earth were those cardboard cutouts from the Peoples' Friend magazine? 50-60 year olds grew up with David Bowie and Lou Reed, with punk, with Stonewall and the Gay Liberation movement, with radical feminism, with Cosmopolitan when it was about sexual politics and not shopping, with black power, with mass marches and demonstrations, with riots throughout the UK, with Monty Python, Last Tango in Paris, The Exorcist. They really don't need to be treated as if their greatest desire is for a bunch of supermarket flowers to be handed over in a genteel tea shop.
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I agree. Sugar has a clear division between fiery and obnoxious. I definitely got the impression last night that Luisa had crossed the line, and he could no longer imagine wanting to work with her. And I think he did genuinely like jason; of course Jason was quite hopeless - apart from selling a caravan, every week seemed to see Jason placidly peeling a carrot in a kitchen somewhere - but Sugar sees a lot more than we do, and knows who is charming, considerate and thoughtful and who isn't.
Well that's gloomy. I was appalled by their tv advertisment, just as I was by that terrible magazine for old crocks last year. I am indeed 50-something, and in no way 'down with the yoof culture'; I don't 'go clubbing', whatever that is, or shop at Desiguel, and I DO ( as someone sneered earlier on) have National Trust membership, but what on earth were those cardboard cutouts from the Peoples' Friend magazine? 50-60 year olds grew up with David Bowie and Lou Reed, with punk, with Stonewall and the Gay Liberation movement, with radical feminism, with Cosmopolitan when it was about sexual politics and not shopping, with black power, with mass marches and demonstrations, with riots throughout the UK, with Monty Python, Last Tango in Paris, The Exorcist. They really don't need to be treated as if their greatest desire is for a bunch of supermarket flowers to be handed over in a genteel tea shop.Thier view with the exception of jason , was that once you hit middle age all you want to do is cuddle up in a caravan with a cup of cocoa and a mills and boon romance .Still they will find themselves patronised by the next lot soon enough . I laughed when Leah said Mr Monaco was far too old to be photographed with her , shes had so much work done she could be any age between 20 and 40 |
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It will be a cold day in hell before Luisa wins. There is no way Sugar will go into partnership with her.
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Thier view with the exception of jason , was that once you hit middle age all you want to do is cuddle up in a caravan with a cup of cocoa and a mills and boon romance.
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Luisa is a babe - and quite refreshing too.
As someone who has been to a lot of business meetings in the past, i can't stand all the business speak either. Be great if someone who hate's the whole business process so much does really well! |
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Luisa is outsmarting Karen and Karen cant take it. She will do her best on the next task to put her down as much as possible. She is grabbing the limelight much more than Karen. She would have wished to be there at the last task and given Luisa a piece of her mind. She will make sure she doesnt win. She could take Karen's place one day. Now there's a thought.
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Luisa is outsmarting Karen and Karen cant take it. She will do her best on the next task to put her down as much as possible. She is grabbing the limelight much more than Karen. She would have wished to be there at the last task and given Luisa a piece of her mind. She will make sure she doesnt win. She could take Karen's place one day. Now there's a thought.
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Sugar likes Luisa's energy and willingness to just do stuff and take risks - they're good qualities in an entrepreneur. The likes of Sugar, James Dyson etc didn't make their millions by being safe.
However, as a business investor he is also looking for two key things: 1. A good business idea - the jury's out on this until we know more about the business plans 2. Someone who can be resourceful and self-sufficient (which Luisa is) but also easy to work with (which she isn't). Venture capital investors or those involved in mergers & acquisitions always look at the business plan and the numbers, but they also consider the people they're signing up to work with. When such ventures/acquisitions fail, it's usually not because the business plan or strategy is wrong, it's because the people and cultures can't work together. I don't think there's any doubt that Luisa would be a handful. She's headstrong, works poorly in teams and isn't receptive to advice. Sugar is probably wondering at this stage if she is more trouble than she is worth. If you look at the two most recent winners, both Tom and Ricky showed themselves to be willing to learn and grow - I don't get that sense from Luisa. Alex he has expressed reason to doubt on inexperience and reliability. There's been good ideas, and totally silly ones. He did well on furniture design - but is that relevant to his proposal? Are the other candidates right to reject him as PM? Does Lord Sugar want to supervise him to make sure he doesn't pay for one of the totally silly ideas. Worse can he risk a silly error if its in the specialist and legally difficult fields of law and insurance Alex seems to be involved in? Whats the pay off between potential and risk? Neil is also interesting. He's been identified and praised for good ideas - but he's also been noted as a back seat driver, and had really silly ones and doesn't follow well.. Is he less headstrong, more willing to follow advice, or less difficult to control than Luisa? Really? Is he more or less able to get along with people? Is there any evidence going to turn up that Luisa can't keep staff or deal with the trade? Neil sounds more like Gordon Brittas to me ,more overconfident, and more likely to go and do his own thing , and more likely on what we have seen to come up with a really silly move. Ultimately, Lord Sugar may have no clearly good, safe, choices. It may get simpler if some proposals collapse when a finger is prodded into them. On past evidence, you would expect Luisa to end up like Debra, Claire, Saira or Ruth, and someone dull and safe to win, or an Alex to win on potential, or a Neil on results and similar background and interests. But, at some point, his Lordship has surely to bite the bullet and have a loud female winner - if they have a viable proposal, and the alternatives have similar or bigger faults?? |
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Luisa is outsmarting Karen and Karen cant take it. She will do her best on the next task to put her down as much as possible. She is grabbing the limelight much more than Karen. She would have wished to be there at the last task and given Luisa a piece of her mind. She will make sure she doesnt win. She could take Karen's place one day. Now there's a thought.
Luisa is immature and comes across as a whiney whingey teenager. When Nick was warning her about her unprofessional behaviour she looked like a bored fourteen year old being told off by her dad for not tidying her room. She is rude, arrogant and tacky. Not the kind of person you would want to go into partnership with. |
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Unlikely as it may seem, the official spelling is Karren Brady.
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I was appalled by their tv advertisment, just as I was by that terrible magazine for old crocks last year. I am indeed 50-something, and in no way 'down with the yoof culture'; I don't 'go clubbing', whatever that is, or shop at Desiguel, and I DO ( as someone sneered earlier on) have National Trust membership, but what on earth were those cardboard cutouts from the Peoples' Friend magazine? 50-60 year olds grew up with David Bowie and Lou Reed, with punk, with Stonewall and the Gay Liberation movement, with radical feminism, with Cosmopolitan when it was about sexual politics and not shopping, with black power, with mass marches and demonstrations, with riots throughout the UK, with Monty Python, Last Tango in Paris, The Exorcist. They really don't need to be treated as if their greatest desire is for a bunch of supermarket flowers to be handed over in a genteel tea shop.