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Old 20-06-2013, 09:31
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Just interested, because a lot of the people on here know the rules of the show better than I do. Jason would never have done it because of who he is, but when there is conflict like last night would it have been in the rules for a PM to tell someone constantly criticising them to go away, either to go back to the house or to join the other sub team?

And that also got me to wondering if the programme makers have a say in who has to spend all day together? Obviously they can reorganise the teams to get as much drama as possible but do they influence the split of sub teams, etc.?
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Old 20-06-2013, 09:53
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I don't think so. I understand that the teams must be split into two sub teams on all tasks.

They can swap teams as we saw with Leah last week.
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Old 20-06-2013, 09:55
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Just interested, because a lot of the people on here know the rules of the show better than I do. Jason would never have done it because of who he is, but when there is conflict like last night would it have been in the rules for a PM to tell someone constantly criticising them to go away, either to go back to the house or to join the other sub team?

And that also got me to wondering if the programme makers have a say in who has to spend all day together? Obviously they can reorganise the teams to get as much drama as possible but do they influence the split of sub teams, etc.?
It's unlikely that a PM can send someone back to the house outright - much better for TV to let the conflict simmer - but they can always demote them to doing menial tasks (like Jason doing kitchen duty in both the farm shop and awayday tasks).

Of course, the reality in business is that you have to learn to work with people you don't like. We don't get to walk away, we have to find a way to work through our personal differences. Why should the candidates have it any easier?

I doubt the producers have any say in the composition of the sub-teams. The PMs and their teams are more than capable enough of creating their own conflict and drama without any help!
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:34
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I presume that the PMs can generally change who is on which sub-team if they need to. Michelle did in Series 2 - although that was in the final, which could have been different.

There was one episode of Series 4 where it was specifically stated that the sub-teams couldn't change - but I tend to assume that that was a one-off. Who knows though?
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:42
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See I'm not so sure, the sub teams always seem to be pre made, Jason would of been much better at the focus group with Fran and let Neil and do the logo. Jason has proved he communicates well with older people and would of been able to demonstrate his vision.
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:42
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Thanks very much for the answers. I just wondered if it was an option. Lots of the candidates are used to being their own bosses, and probably a lot would work better without their teammates. But that wouldn't be gut-clenchingly embarrassing TV, would it, so that can't be allowed!
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:55
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See I'm not so sure, the sub teams always seem to be pre made, Jason would of been much better at the focus group with Fran and let Neil and do the logo. Jason has proved he communicates well with older people and would of been able to demonstrate his vision.
There have been quite a few times that we have seen the sub-teams being divided. I think that we saw it in the buying task in Series 7 (third episode).
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:57
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See I'm not so sure, the sub teams always seem to be pre made, Jason would of been much better at the focus group with Fran and let Neil and do the logo. Jason has proved he communicates well with older people and would of been able to demonstrate his vision.
Why? Jason had previous website expertise, so surely it made more sense for him to be involved in the web-based half of day 1?
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:59
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See I'm not so sure, the sub teams always seem to be pre made, Jason would of been much better at the focus group with Fran and let Neil and do the logo. Jason has proved he communicates well with older people and would of been able to demonstrate his vision.
I disagree. As PM (Well, at that stage), Jason needed to be on the website part of the task as this was a far more critical element than the market research. In addition, his experience on a dating website at uni highlighted the fact that he should be on the website sub-team.
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Old 20-06-2013, 12:16
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Why? Jason had previous website expertise, so surely it made more sense for him to be involved in the web-based half of day 1?
No he doesn't, he ran a University based dating service, he has about as much web design knowledge as the average joe on the street.

It was his idea to go with over 50's, therefore he should go and tout his "ideas and visions" to the market research group. And his downfall on this task proves my point!

Plus the fact they didn't have a website, doesn't seem to have been his downfall. It was having no actual focus and direction.
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Old 20-06-2013, 12:48
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No he doesn't, he ran a University based dating service, he has about as much web design knowledge as the average joe on the street.

It was his idea to go with over 50's, therefore he should go and tout his "ideas and visions" to the market research group. And his downfall on this task proves my point!

Plus the fact they didn't have a website, doesn't seem to have been his downfall. It was having no actual focus and direction.
The point of the focus group is to firstly understand what your target consumers want, and then test the concept with them. The worst person you can have running such a group is the person whose idea it is, because they will lead the witness. It's far better to have someone unbiased running the group. Jason was right to stay clear.

He was much better off focussing on the overall look and feel. The issue was that their research was so bad that it knocked him off track. (That, and his dithering.)

Jason's downfall wasn't dependent on where he was on day 1, really. It came down to him not having the conviction to push through his idea for a fun, exciting website - which he wouldn't have been able to control from the research sub-team - generally weak project and time management, and the constant tap-tapping of Luisa being less than constructive in his ear.
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