Microsoft rumoured to be considering buying Nokia

Everything Goes · 21-06-2013, 08:45

Nokia could end up being taken over by Microsoft. These sort of rumours aren't new but perhaps it will happen this time.

This has probably been part off Microsoft's plan for a while.

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/25...r_chatter.aspx

davor · 21-06-2013, 08:47

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flagpole · 21-06-2013, 08:54

i follow nokia on reuters. the rumour has certainly inflated their share price.
http://uk.reuters.com/business/quote...ymbol=NOK1V.HE

The first rumour this week was about Huawei

Quote:

Chinese network equipment and cellphone maker Huawei Technologies Co said it "has no plans to acquire Nokia", responding to a Financial Times report that it would consider buying the Finish phone maker.

The denial came from Huawei's vice president for external affairs, Bill Plummer.

The story on the FT website on Tuesday had quoted the head of Huawei's consumer business, Richard Yu, as saying: "We are considering these sorts of acquisitions; maybe the combination has some synergies but depends on the willingness of Nokia. We are open-minded."

Which seems to contradict itself.

Then MS:

Quote:

Microsoft Corp recently talked with Nokia about buying the Finnish phone maker's devices unit, but the discussions faltered and are not likely to be revived, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday in its online edition.

Nokia's share price would be around €2.40 (some analysts say €5,) if they did nothing. as in the value of their IP portfolio and revenue from mapping.

there is also the profitable low to mid range business.

it's the loss making high end bit that is the unknown.

Quote:

They said there was no contradiction between a resurfacing of M&A talk and some signs that Nokia might recover from a mauling by rivals Samsung and Apple in the key smartphone segment in recent years.

"The company's not in a crisis like it was a year ago. That makes Nokia now more likely to be a target of merger or acquisition," said Mikael Rautanen, an analyst at equities research firm Inderes.

david16 · 21-06-2013, 15:44

If it happens hopefully for my little nokia asha, microsoft will develop the sort of apps that currently available for a iphone and android.

Zee_Bukhari · 21-06-2013, 15:58

http://www.wpcentral.com/wsj-microso...se-buyout-deal

Microsoft and Nokia were in advanced discussions about a Redmond purchase of the Finnish phone maker, but the talks have failed to materialize an agreement.

cnbcwatcher · 22-06-2013, 00:06

Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it?

TelevisionUser · 22-06-2013, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari

http://www.wpcentral.com/wsj-microso...se-buyout-deal

Microsoft and Nokia were in advanced discussions about a Redmond purchase of the Finnish phone maker, but the talks have failed to materialize an agreement.

Quote:

Citing “people familiar with the matter” the online paper notes that discussions eventually broke down due to “the price and Nokia's own strategic predicament”.

That was probably a lucky escape for Microsoft and they have an unfortunate track record in respect of "cell phones" - just google Microsoft Kin where you can read about an epic fail.

Zee_Bukhari · 22-06-2013, 00:38

it would be a real mistake any company to buy out Nokia, I just know their quality, innovation and beauty will not be retained if something like this does go forward

alanwarwic · 22-06-2013, 01:40

The problem with owning a company is that you ave to ave a commitment to the employees.
Nokia is Finnish based and I imagine long term Finnish jobs was the sticking point,

Sadly, if they were British I get the impression the owners would take the cash and run.

Air Resistance · 22-06-2013, 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher

Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it?

this agreement was from years ago where by Nokia who were ailing at the time, got paid by Microsoft, who needed companies to pick up its smart phone os, to develop on their operating system exclusively. Win win.

flagpole · 22-06-2013, 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

The problem with owning a company is that you ave to ave a commitment to the employees.
Nokia is Finnish based and I imagine long term Finnish jobs was the sticking point,

Sadly, if they were British I get the impression the owners would take the cash and run.

Any evidence to support that at all?

prking · 22-06-2013, 10:56

News today that Nokia directors have been called to an, apparently, unscheduled board meeting next Wednesday. Of course, it could be nothing of note.

daclick · 22-06-2013, 11:10

Hey Google go and buy bloody Nokia!

flagpole · 22-06-2013, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by daclick

Hey Google go and buy bloody Nokia!

They wouldn't be allowed. they are already dominant in the phone market.

A ore likely candidate would be apple. Nokia have a load of IP they could use in their war with android. Nokia have some skills that apple don't. and it would sort out their mapping problems.

but i don't see that they would be allowed either.

SkipTracer · 22-06-2013, 11:29

I was thinking of buying Nokia too, but I prefer Android phones.

alanwarwic · 22-06-2013, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

Any evidence to support that at all?

No big UK electronic companies now exist. Opinion but am sure Microsoft wanted the brand name more than the workforce.

Competition is also likely to mean that Microsoft will want to head the Apple way of having no manufacturing base.
I mildly wonder Acer speaking out against RT was an anti purchase statement.

Zee_Bukhari · 22-06-2013, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher

Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it?

Nothing to do with it, thanks to Windows Phone they are finally starting to make some progress after many years!

alan1302 · 23-06-2013, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari

Nothing to do with it, thanks to Windows Phone they are finally starting to make some progress after many years!

Everything to do with it. That's why the rumours persist as Nokia are the lead Windows Phone user and so many people think they are the perfect fit with Microsoft.

1saintly · 23-06-2013, 20:38

Not even Microsoft has faith in Nokia's future

http://www.osnews.com/story/27139/No...Nokia_s_future

alanwarwic · 23-06-2013, 20:49

No faith in themselves theb considering Nokia are Microsoft Exclusive.

It is hard to compete with a contractor taking the risk for less money. Leaving Nokia alone is zero risk.

Step666 · 23-06-2013, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

No faith in themselves theb considering Nokia are Microsoft Exclusive.

If Nokia fail then so does WP but the failure of Nokia would not necessarily be a reflection of the failure of MS/WP - it's perfectly plausible that Nokia could fail for unrelated reasons.

Anika Hanson · 23-06-2013, 21:32

Apparently Huwawei want to buy them too

tdenson · 23-06-2013, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

They wouldn't be allowed. they are already dominant in the phone market.

A ore likely candidate would be apple. Nokia have a load of IP they could use in their war with android. Nokia have some skills that apple don't. and it would sort out their mapping problems.

but i don't see that they would be allowed either.

That's a strange comment. Apple are far more dominant in the phone market than Google. If you are referring to Android then you might as well say that Arm Holdings wouldn't be allowed to buy a phone company because they supply the design for the Arm chip in virtually every phone.

alanwarwic · 23-06-2013, 23:41

That's what I mean about the jobs.

Both Apple and MS would mainly want it for the patent and brand name.
The idea of Nokia being a 'budget IOS' Apple brand is not far fetched.

alan1302 · 24-06-2013, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

The idea of Nokia being a 'budget IOS' Apple brand is not far fetched.

I would say it's very far fetched. Does not make any sense.

21-06-2013, 08:45	#1
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Microsoft rumoured to be considering buying Nokia Nokia could end up being taken over by Microsoft. These sort of rumours aren't new but perhaps it will happen this time. This has probably been part off Microsoft's plan for a while. http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/25...r_chatter.aspx

21-06-2013, 08:47	#2
davor Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,195	Microsoft - Connecting people

21-06-2013, 08:54	#3
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	i follow nokia on reuters. the rumour has certainly inflated their share price. http://uk.reuters.com/business/quote...ymbol=NOK1V.HE The first rumour this week was about Huawei Quote: Chinese network equipment and cellphone maker Huawei Technologies Co said it "has no plans to acquire Nokia", responding to a Financial Times report that it would consider buying the Finish phone maker. The denial came from Huawei's vice president for external affairs, Bill Plummer. The story on the FT website on Tuesday had quoted the head of Huawei's consumer business, Richard Yu, as saying: "We are considering these sorts of acquisitions; maybe the combination has some synergies but depends on the willingness of Nokia. We are open-minded." Which seems to contradict itself. Then MS: Quote: Microsoft Corp recently talked with Nokia about buying the Finnish phone maker's devices unit, but the discussions faltered and are not likely to be revived, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday in its online edition. Nokia's share price would be around €2.40 (some analysts say €5,) if they did nothing. as in the value of their IP portfolio and revenue from mapping. there is also the profitable low to mid range business. it's the loss making high end bit that is the unknown. Quote: They said there was no contradiction between a resurfacing of M&A talk and some signs that Nokia might recover from a mauling by rivals Samsung and Apple in the key smartphone segment in recent years. "The company's not in a crisis like it was a year ago. That makes Nokia now more likely to be a target of merger or acquisition," said Mikael Rautanen, an analyst at equities research firm Inderes.

21-06-2013, 15:44	#4
david16 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Belt Posts: 12,290	If it happens hopefully for my little nokia asha, microsoft will develop the sort of apps that currently available for a iphone and android.

21-06-2013, 15:58	#5
Zee_Bukhari Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,319	http://www.wpcentral.com/wsj-microso...se-buyout-deal Microsoft and Nokia were in advanced discussions about a Redmond purchase of the Finnish phone maker, but the talks have failed to materialize an agreement.

22-06-2013, 00:06	#6
cnbcwatcher Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At college, in L.A.'s office Posts: 54,221	Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it?

22-06-2013, 00:16	#7
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Quote: Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari http://www.wpcentral.com/wsj-microso...se-buyout-deal Microsoft and Nokia were in advanced discussions about a Redmond purchase of the Finnish phone maker, but the talks have failed to materialize an agreement. Quote: Citing “people familiar with the matter” the online paper notes that discussions eventually broke down due to “the price and Nokia's own strategic predicament”. That was probably a lucky escape for Microsoft and they have an unfortunate track record in respect of "cell phones" - just google Microsoft Kin where you can read about an epic fail.

22-06-2013, 00:38	#8
Zee_Bukhari Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,319	it would be a real mistake any company to buy out Nokia, I just know their quality, innovation and beauty will not be retained if something like this does go forward

22-06-2013, 01:40	#9
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	The problem with owning a company is that you ave to ave a commitment to the employees. Nokia is Finnish based and I imagine long term Finnish jobs was the sticking point, Sadly, if they were British I get the impression the owners would take the cash and run.

22-06-2013, 08:00	#10
Air Resistance Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Northallerton, North Yorkshire Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it? this agreement was from years ago where by Nokia who were ailing at the time, got paid by Microsoft, who needed companies to pick up its smart phone os, to develop on their operating system exclusively. Win win.

22-06-2013, 09:04	#11
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic The problem with owning a company is that you ave to ave a commitment to the employees. Nokia is Finnish based and I imagine long term Finnish jobs was the sticking point, Sadly, if they were British I get the impression the owners would take the cash and run. Any evidence to support that at all?

22-06-2013, 10:56	#12
prking Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Weston-super-Mare Posts: 9,167	News today that Nokia directors have been called to an, apparently, unscheduled board meeting next Wednesday. Of course, it could be nothing of note.

22-06-2013, 11:10	#13
daclick Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,336	Hey Google go and buy bloody Nokia!

22-06-2013, 11:22	#14
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by daclick Hey Google go and buy bloody Nokia! They wouldn't be allowed. they are already dominant in the phone market. A ore likely candidate would be apple. Nokia have a load of IP they could use in their war with android. Nokia have some skills that apple don't. and it would sort out their mapping problems. but i don't see that they would be allowed either.

22-06-2013, 11:29	#15
SkipTracer Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The City and County of Bristol Posts: 2,623	I was thinking of buying Nokia too, but I prefer Android phones.

22-06-2013, 12:12	#16
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole Any evidence to support that at all? No big UK electronic companies now exist. Opinion but am sure Microsoft wanted the brand name more than the workforce. Competition is also likely to mean that Microsoft will want to head the Apple way of having no manufacturing base. I mildly wonder Acer speaking out against RT was an anti purchase statement.

22-06-2013, 12:29	#17
Zee_Bukhari Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,319	Quote: Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher Well Nokia are using Windows Phone for their smartphones rather than Android so maybe that has something to do with it? Nothing to do with it, thanks to Windows Phone they are finally starting to make some progress after many years!

23-06-2013, 20:33	#18
alan1302 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: West Yorks Posts: 6,180	Quote: Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari Nothing to do with it, thanks to Windows Phone they are finally starting to make some progress after many years! Everything to do with it. That's why the rumours persist as Nokia are the lead Windows Phone user and so many people think they are the perfect fit with Microsoft.

23-06-2013, 20:38	#19
1saintly Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,665	Not even Microsoft has faith in Nokia's future http://www.osnews.com/story/27139/No...Nokia_s_future

23-06-2013, 20:49	#20
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	No faith in themselves theb considering Nokia are Microsoft Exclusive. It is hard to compete with a contractor taking the risk for less money. Leaving Nokia alone is zero risk.

23-06-2013, 21:18	#21
Step666 Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,274	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic No faith in themselves theb considering Nokia are Microsoft Exclusive. If Nokia fail then so does WP but the failure of Nokia would not necessarily be a reflection of the failure of MS/WP - it's perfectly plausible that Nokia could fail for unrelated reasons.

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Microsoft rumoured to be considering buying Nokia

23-06-2013, 21:32	#22
Anika Hanson Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UK Posts: 14,219	Apparently Huwawei want to buy them too

23-06-2013, 23:08	#23
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole They wouldn't be allowed. they are already dominant in the phone market. A ore likely candidate would be apple. Nokia have a load of IP they could use in their war with android. Nokia have some skills that apple don't. and it would sort out their mapping problems. but i don't see that they would be allowed either. That's a strange comment. Apple are far more dominant in the phone market than Google. If you are referring to Android then you might as well say that Arm Holdings wouldn't be allowed to buy a phone company because they supply the design for the Arm chip in virtually every phone.

23-06-2013, 23:41	#24
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	That's what I mean about the jobs. Both Apple and MS would mainly want it for the patent and brand name. The idea of Nokia being a 'budget IOS' Apple brand is not far fetched.

24-06-2013, 00:00	#25
alan1302 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: West Yorks Posts: 6,180	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic The idea of Nokia being a 'budget IOS' Apple brand is not far fetched. I would say it's very far fetched. Does not make any sense.