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Old 23-06-2013, 20:54
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I would advise you focus more on defending your own product than attempting to slander the opposing team's product.
I wouldn't consider what I said 'slandering' the opposing team's product whatsoever.

Part of that supposed 'slander' was being used as a way of defending my own product.
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:54
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I assumed by asking candidates to demonstrate creativity and innovation that they would assume originality. I'll be sure to spell it out for you in future.


A final question now. Which candidates did what parts of each task?
I did our pitch with Niall
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:54
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I researched the health benefits of our various ingredients, and searched out substitutes for sugar to go in the shortbread. Just all the health stuff, really.
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:55
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I assumed by asking candidates to demonstrate creativity and innovation that they would assume originality. I'll be sure to spell it out for you in future.


A final question now. Which candidates did what parts of each task?
Just my opinion that innovation isn't synonymous with originality, that's all. Hence my checking the task brief for clarification.

I did the longevity/expansion part of the pitch.
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:55
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1) Choose your product. The product must have been discontinued on or before the 31st of December 1999.
- Magic Middles

2) Create a new logo for that product.
- Jack - Will also do packaging

3) Create a pitch explaining why you think this product is still relevant to today's market.
- David

4) Suggest at least three improvements that have been made to the product and give reasons for these improvements.
- George - Health
- Amy - Longevity, Expansions & Incentives
- Naruto with Jacks help - Packaging & Marketing

5) Pick two retailers you would be selling this product to and explain why.
- Eliza
- Kevin
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:57
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I assumed by asking candidates to demonstrate creativity and innovation that they would assume originality. I'll be sure to spell it out for you in future.


A final question now. Which candidates did what parts of each task?
I did the logo and packaging for my team
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:57
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I did the Rebranding development and explanation.
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:57
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I researched the health benefits of our various ingredients, and searched out substitutes for sugar to go in the shortbread. Just all the health stuff, really.
There was a rather heated, and rather lengthy at that, discussion over the Health section of your team's pitch during the task. Can you explain what this controversy was over please?
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:59
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I did the first retailer supermarkets and also helped by doing market research for the price of similar products.
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Old 23-06-2013, 20:59
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OK:

Overall concept - all of us, but I picked Orbitz as the starting drink.
Logo - me
Bottle - me (conceptually) and Katie (design)
Vendors + writeup - Katie, with everyone proofreading
Pitch - Tyjet and Niall, with everyone proofreading
3 differences write up - Jason (and Luke was assigned to it)
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:00
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There was a rather heated, and rather lengthy at that, discussion over the Health section of your team's pitch during the task. Can you explain what this controversy was over, please?
Some people felt that I had been too formal in writing out my section of the pitch, and had used too many long words. Personally I disagreed, because I think firstly that the pitch is a formal presentation, and secondly there aren't always synonyms for scientific terms. David allocated Jack to go over some of my section and re-write it. Some of the edits I agreed with, and some I disagreed with. I was quite vocal about the parts that I disagreed with, and I think that some of the team felt that I was taking it personally - and I don't think I was, I'm just quite vocal about my opinions.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:00
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I assumed by asking candidates to demonstrate creativity and innovation that they would assume originality. I'll be sure to spell it out for you in future.


A final question now. Which candidates did what parts of each task?
I suggested the name change OrBitz Fruit Drinks (I suggested and put emphasis on the “Bitz” part as the separate bits which come with the drink) and also because there was a copyright claim with I think a hotel chain and the emphasis on Bits as a space theme. I came up with some of our flavours, flavour names, I did the pricing per unit and multipack, I created the brand label, I designed a sample bottle of our product (which Justin was meant to do), I wrote the 2 suggested retailers pitch and gave suggestions to Justin on how to improve the logo.

I also wanted 6 flavours as that was what the original Orbits had and I wanted to keep some similarities to the original and I also suggested creating brand characters of each fruit as it would appeal to children.


OK:

Overall concept - all of us, but I picked Orbitz as the starting drink.
Logo - me
Bottle - me and Katie
Vendors + writeup - Katie, with everyone proofreading
Pitch - Tyjet and Niall, with everyone proofreading
3 differences write up - Jason (and Luke was assigned to it)
Sorry, I think you'll find I designed the bottle after you turned up at 4:50 ahead of the 5:00 deadline.

90% of that bottle was me, you told me what to make it look like and I did it online on an account you don't have a password to so I designed it.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:01
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Some people felt that I had been too formal in writing out my section of the pitch, and had used too many long words. Personally I disagreed, because I think firstly that the pitch is a formal presentation, and secondly there aren't always synonyms for scientific terms. David allocated Jack to go over some of my section and re-write it. Some of the edits I agreed with, and some I disagreed with. I was quite vocal about the parts that I disagreed with, and I think that some of the team felt that I was taking it personally - and I don't think I was, I'm just quite vocal about my opinions.
Tbh honest George, in my opinion you were trying to find all the negatives about Jack's edit instead of praising it.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:01
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There was a rather heated, and rather lengthy at that, discussion over the Health section of your team's pitch during the task. Can you explain what this controversy was over please?
The rest of the team, whilst accepting it was good what had been written, concluded that it was too 'heavy' (some people said formal, but I personally feel that was the wrong word and repeatedly emphasised that it was more 'heavy' in the scientific department than formal.)
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:03
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The rest of the team, whilst accepting it was good what had been written, concluded that it was too 'heavy' (some people said formal, but I personally feel that was the wrong word and repeatedly emphasised that it was more 'heavy' in the scientific department than formal.)
It's the opinion of my advisor that George may actually have been in the right and that there was a bit of a gang-up on him?
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:03
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Tbh honest George, in my opinion you were trying to find all the negatives about Jack's edit instead of praising it.
I can see why you would think that Eliza, but I can tell you right now that that is absolutely not what I was doing. I did specifically say that I didn't disagree with ALL of Jack's edit, only with some of it. If I was just trying to find negatives, I'd have objected to everything that Jack did.

I accept that there was a mistake that I made with one of the facts that I put, which Jack corrected. I appreciate that Jack did that, because it may have been pointed out at the pitch.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:04
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It's the opinion of my advisor that George may actually have been in the right and that there was a bit of a gang-up on him?
I don't think we were ganging up on him and I apologised a lot if he felt that we were but in my opinion, the way George was talking was quite rude.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:04
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I suggested the name change OrBitz Fruit Drinks (I suggested and put emphasis on the “Bitz” part as the separate bits which come with the drink) and also because there was a copyright claim with I think a hotel chain and the emphasis on Bits as a space theme. I came up with some of our flavours, flavour names, I did the pricing per unit and multipack, I created the brand label, I designed a sample bottle of our product (which Justin was meant to do), I wrote the 2 suggested retailers pitch and gave suggestions to Justin on how to improve the logo.

I also wanted 6 flavours as that was what the original Orbits had and I wanted to keep some similarities to the original and I also suggested creating brand characters of each fruit as it would appeal to children.


Sorry, I think you'll find I designed the bottle after you turned up at 4:50 ahead of the 5:00 deadline.
Edited for clarification, Katie

I will say I was never ~meant~ to do the bottle. Katie and I both were going to design bottles, and mine was always a backup in case Katie's wasn't at the standard. I hadn't scanned mine onto my computer (it's drawn out and I could scan it now and show you), but we all decided Katie's was good enough to not have to scan mine in as backup.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:06
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I don't think we were ganging up on him and I apologised a lot if he felt that we were but in my opinion, the way George was talking was quite rude.
So if I disagree with something, how am I supposed to make it clear that I disagree without coming across that way? I don't think that I was aggressive or rude at any point. That's just immature.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:06
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It's the opinion of my advisor that George may actually have been in the right and that there was a bit of a gang-up on him?
It definitely was not a "gang-up" on him. He both knew that and repeated it to me several times, and I made sure and the others did too that it wasn't seen as a 'gang-up'.

I can show you the original if you'd like. It wasn't BAD but it was VERY science-heavy. Every line was accompanied by about 3-4 biology related words to do with vitamins, haemoglobicness (is that a word? LOL) etc. It wasn't that it wasn't factual; I just don't believe for inclusion in a pitch which is obviously needed to interest the viewers, that it was appropriate.

So I as PM delegated Jack to add more enthusiasm to it and condense the facts whilst not erasing them. The end result, in my opinion, is a lot stronger than the predecessor.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:06
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It's the opinion of my advisor that George may actually have been in the right and that there was a bit of a gang-up on him?
Firstly, i wasn't there but i had given the suggestion to reduce the number of scientific terms in the pitch. I felt it would only confuse and possibly alienate viewers who couldn't understand any part of that pitch. At the end of the day, we hadn't removed them entirely but just reduced it down to something that may be more understandable to the general public.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:07
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It's the opinion of my advisor that George may actually have been in the right and that there was a bit of a gang-up on him?
Not at all, we just all disagreed with him on that point. George was asking for synonyms for some of the scientific words. I suggested using an online thesaurus before he tried to make out that there are no synonyms for scientific words - in which case, why did he ask us?

I don't think we ganged up on him at all, we just disagreed with him.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:07
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So if I disagree with something, how am I supposed to make it clear that I disagree without coming across that way? I don't think that I was aggressive or rude at any point. That's just immature.
I'm sorry but it's not immature. I think sometimes you need to think before typing and think about how it comes across.
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:08
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May I hasten to add that although it is coming across as if the task was VERY drama-filled... It was quite the opposite.

Except 15 minutes or so last night, everybody was VERY civil with eachother, and we worked well in harmony which is what we wanted from our team name!
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Old 23-06-2013, 21:08
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Some people felt that I had been too formal in writing out my section of the pitch, and had used too many long words. Personally I disagreed, because I think firstly that the pitch is a formal presentation, and secondly there aren't always synonyms for scientific terms. David allocated Jack to go over some of my section and re-write it. Some of the edits I agreed with, and some I disagreed with. I was quite vocal about the parts that I disagreed with, and I think that some of the team felt that I was taking it personally - and I don't think I was, I'm just quite vocal about my opinions.
George a lot of the time when you were trying to point out the "faults" you saw with the editing I did (which was pretty damn close to the same as your original with bits cut out and made to seem more enthusiastic). Everyone else seemed to agree it was better than before but you kept mentioning the fact that these little things weren't there. Like one part here:

"It contains calcium, potassium and magnesium, and is known for keeping a person looking youthful."

and your argument for keeping that in was that some parents might want to use that for their children.
Alot of the time it did seem you were disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing

As for the ganging up I think that this isn't true. George was the only one who disagreed with the writing and when we said why we did it to certain areas he didn't seem to like it and wouldn't take no for an answer a lot of the time.
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