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Why has a girl always been first out?
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wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
A better theory than 'jellus' (of Lynne? Of Mary? Yeah, right.)

1. THE NOMINATIONS. BB3, BB6, BB8, BB9, BB12, BB13 and BB14 had no nominations for the first eviction. (BB7 didn't either, but you could argue that choosing people for the Brotherhood was a kind of weighted nomination process). So in the series that did have early nominations, females have been more than twice as likely to be nominated as males.

2. In the first few days of BB the men do much less in the way of personal talking. Fuelled by drink, the women are already splurging their entire life history and personal opinions. They also do far more mutual grooming behaviour (doing each others hair, lending clothes etc) which means that they make decisions about each other much earlier on. Men may end up really loathing each other, but this takes longer to surface. They keep more of a distance in the early stages, and any potential problems take longer to develop.

3. Now, THE PUBLIC VOTE. It's all to do with putting people into an adverse stereotype. Both sexes are heavily penalised for being bitchy or bullying, but these are not first-week traits. No one comes into the house and starts looking for weak people to bully as soon as they have a wineglass in their hand. Conor was a cooing dove during the time he was up for eviction.

But as well as being heavily penalised for being bitchy and bullying, women (and only women) are heavily penalised just for being 'mouthy' or arrogant. That just doesn't seem to apply to the men. No one demanded that Brian Belo was out in the first eviction because all you could hear that week was his big, booming voice. Federico was a gigantic walking ego and got away with it, as did Mario. But it seems that no one will tolerate a woman who gabs away too much, however sweetly (Anouska) or who seems to look down on someone (Steph, Victoria). Since out of Bonnie and Glyn, we had the choice between two quivering little voles, people went for the one with the mouthy, arrogant VT.

Moral is: women should do a Sophie and make sure they don't talk much for the first week. After that they can start to watch the men self-destruct.

Note: These are AVERAGE behaviours. I would not dream of suggesting that they apply to every housemate.
big brother 9
24-06-2013
its simple, women dont vote for other women and the first few weeks men are always more intoverted and keep away from any trouble, women on the other hand go out all guns blazing in one way or the other, be it arguing or flashing, penny, that older woman from last year.
Lola UK
24-06-2013
Women tend to not like other women straight away.

The public need time for them to grow on them
haphash
24-06-2013
Its nearly always a blonde woman for some reason. Jade Goody came close to being out in the first week I seem to remember but then people started to like her.
wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Lola UK:
“Women tend to not like other women straight away.
”

But I don't think that's true. Put people in big mixed sex groups and it always seems to me that most of the women gravitate towards other women and start to bond with them. And often a female housemate has topped the polls in the first week. Very early on, there were polls with Louise ahead of Aaron, for example. Caroline topped some very early BB13 polls, Sheivonne others.
od hominem
24-06-2013
Because they're usually a bit of a nuisannce.
















Fiercefanatic
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“A better theory than 'jellus' (of Lynne? Of Mary? Yeah, right.)

1. THE NOMINATIONS. BB3, BB6, BB8, BB9, BB12, BB13 and BB14 had no nominations for the first eviction. (BB7 didn't either, but you could argue that choosing people for the Brotherhood was a kind of weighted nomination process). So in the series that did have early nominations, females have been more than twice as likely to be nominated as males.

2. In the first few days of BB the men do much less in the way of personal talking. Fuelled by drink, the women are already splurging their entire life history and personal opinions. They also do far more mutual grooming behaviour (doing each others hair, lending clothes etc) which means that they make decisions about each other much earlier on. Men may end up really loathing each other, but this takes longer to surface. They keep more of a distance in the early stages, and any potential problems take longer to develop.

3. Now, THE PUBLIC VOTE. It's all to do with putting people into an adverse stereotype. Both sexes are heavily penalised for being bitchy or bullying, but these are not first-week traits. No one comes into the house and starts looking for weak people to bully as soon as they have a wineglass in their hand. Conor was a cooing dove during the time he was up for eviction.

But as well as being heavily penalised for being bitchy and bullying, women (and only women) are heavily penalised just for being 'mouthy' or arrogant. That just doesn't seem to apply to the men. No one demanded that Brian Belo was out in the first eviction because all you could hear that week was his big, booming voice. Federico was a gigantic walking ego and got away with it, as did Mario. But it seems that no one will tolerate a woman who gabs away too much, however sweetly (Anouska) or who seems to look down on someone (Steph, Victoria). Since out of Bonnie and Glyn, we had the choice between two quivering little voles, people went for the one with the mouthy, arrogant VT.

Moral is: women should do a Sophie and make sure they don't talk much for the first week. After that they can start to watch the men self-destruct.

Note: These are AVERAGE behaviours. I would not dream of suggesting that they apply to every housemate.”

BB12 DID have first week nominations, didn't it? The only thing different was that 3 housemates were given immunity.
Lola UK
24-06-2013
Well big brother have a habit of putting pretty unlikeable woman in that normally get boo'd on entering. I think generally it takes a couple of weeks until they become more than just a model with boobs who wants to do page 3.

Good question though.

I have a question now, I didn't see BB10, but was Sophie liked instantly or was she a grower? It surprised me when I saw she had won. She just doesn't seem like the typical BB winner.
wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by od hominem:
“Because they're usually a bit of a nuisance.”



No sprouts for YOU tonight.
mintbro
24-06-2013
Not always. Chris Eubank was the first evicted in cbb1 and Goldie was the first evicted in cbb2
trevor tiger
24-06-2013
Has there ever been any demographic break down of the voting figures I assume not but everyone seems so sure that the female viewing public vote women out and I'm not convinced.

Clearly some do but I am aware of men taking an early dislike to some female housemates too.

I suppose if we take this recent eviction as an example then certainly being loud and opinionated and a bit of a trouble maker will definitely get you voted out first on a vote to evict and I believe on a vote to save too particularly when it's a one on one vote.
Demonicrodent
24-06-2013
Woman just hate each other.
bill deburg
24-06-2013
Society makes women compete and hate one another and a lot of it is also the projection of iternalized negativity about themselves.

Guys also have their emotions more in check and are more likely to fly under radar during the marking of terratories phase in the first week.
trevor tiger
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Demonicrodent:
“Woman just hate each other.”

Misogynists hate women too. Maybe it's the misogynist's fault.
tuppencehapenny
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by bill deburg:
“Society makes women compete and hate one another and a lot of it is also the projection of iternalized negativity about themselves.

Guys also have their emotions more in check and are more likely to fly under radar during the marking of terratories phase in the first week.”

Sounds like psycho babble, the projection idea. Who says women hate one another? Not in my world view, they don't.
wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Demonicrodent:
“Woman just hate each other.”

Clearly not. Look at the women with big fan groups - Deana, Lauren and particularly Josie - and you will find more women than men.
GTR Davo
24-06-2013
Because girlies hate girlies!
SlimSim
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Lola UK:
“Women tend to not like other women straight away.

The public need time for them to grow on them”

You can almost guarantee on launch night one or two women will get booed. I think there is more chance those booed women could be first to go.

It would be interesting if someone knew the stats.
bill deburg
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by tuppencehapenny:
“Sounds like psycho babble, the projection idea. Who says women hate one another? Not in my world view, they don't.”

Not all girls do but I often hear girls saying they only hang around with boys, dont get on with girls etc etc.
kimotag
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Has there ever been any demographic break down of the voting figures I assume not but everyone seems so sure that the female viewing public vote women out and I'm not convinced.

Clearly some do but I am aware of men taking an early dislike to some female housemates too.

I suppose if we take this recent eviction as an example then certainly being loud and opinionated and a bit of a trouble maker will definitely get you voted out first on a vote to evict and I believe on a vote to save too particularly when it's a one on one vote.”

There have been several breakdowns of viewing figure rather than voting figures. But as women tend to make up about 60%+ of viewers, we could extrapolate from that, that probably more women than men vote! Here is a recent article (2012) on viewing figures.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/rating...036245.article
wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by bill deburg:
“Not all girls do but I often hear girls saying they only hang around with boys, dont get on with girls etc etc.”

Yes, true, but that doesn't work here. It's not as if we have all male finals. After the first week, the gender divide seems to disappear (until the very end, when more men have won than women).
Hosai
24-06-2013
It's usually a physically attractive woman too.
purplesky
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by big brother 9:
“its simple, women dont vote for other women and the first few weeks men are always more intoverted and keep away from any trouble, women on the other hand go out all guns blazing in one way or the other, be it arguing or flashing, penny, that older woman from last year.”

Agreed, women rarely vote for other women, and its usually a gobsh*te that gets voted out early.

Thank the lord!
Hicky
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“A better theory than 'jellus' (of Lynne? Of Mary? Yeah, right.)

1. THE NOMINATIONS. BB3, BB6, BB8, BB9, BB12, BB13 and BB14 had no nominations for the first eviction. (BB7 didn't either, but you could argue that choosing people for the Brotherhood was a kind of weighted nomination process). So in the series that did have early nominations, females have been more than twice as likely to be nominated as males.

2. In the first few days of BB the men do much less in the way of personal talking. Fuelled by drink, the women are already splurging their entire life history and personal opinions. They also do far more mutual grooming behaviour (doing each others hair, lending clothes etc) which means that they make decisions about each other much earlier on. Men may end up really loathing each other, but this takes longer to surface. They keep more of a distance in the early stages, and any potential problems take longer to develop.

3. Now, THE PUBLIC VOTE. It's all to do with putting people into an adverse stereotype. Both sexes are heavily penalised for being bitchy or bullying, but these are not first-week traits. No one comes into the house and starts looking for weak people to bully as soon as they have a wineglass in their hand. Conor was a cooing dove during the time he was up for eviction.

But as well as being heavily penalised for being bitchy and bullying, women (and only women) are heavily penalised just for being 'mouthy' or arrogant. That just doesn't seem to apply to the men. No one demanded that Brian Belo was out in the first eviction because all you could hear that week was his big, booming voice. Federico was a gigantic walking ego and got away with it, as did Mario. But it seems that no one will tolerate a woman who gabs away too much, however sweetly (Anouska) or who seems to look down on someone (Steph, Victoria). Since out of Bonnie and Glyn, we had the choice between two quivering little voles, people went for the one with the mouthy, arrogant VT.

Moral is: women should do a Sophie and make sure they don't talk much for the first week. After that they can start to watch the men self-destruct.

Note: These are AVERAGE behaviours. I would not dream of suggesting that they apply to every housemate.”

I think a girl will always be first out, because it's mainly females that vote, it's doubtful they would vote a feller out, they go for the beautiful very forward sexy girls because they don't want their O/H to be watching them.

Simple really.
wonkeydonkey
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Hicky:
“I think a girl will always be first out, because it's mainly females that vote, it's doubtful they would vote a feller out, they go for the beautiful very forward sexy girls because they don't want their O/H to be watching them.

Simple really.”

Of the three women who have won, one was the winner of beauty contests, one was a lingerie model and the other was a glamour model. So if anything, very pretty girls have a better chance than plain ones.
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