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Which?: iPhone 5 is 'slowest smartphone'
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konebyvax
24-06-2013
A bit of click bait by the Torygraph there - it really should read 'slowest high end smartphone of the 6 we tested' of course. Still not a great headline for Apple. Great result for the Nexus 4 though, given it's by far the cheapest of the phones tested.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...martphone.html

PS This gaffe is fairly typical of the telegraph when reporting on tecnology:
Quote:
“The second fastest phone was ranked as HTC One, which has a quad-core 1.7-inch processor and 2GB Ram.”

IvanIV
24-06-2013
Speed isn't everything. More important is how efficient is a code the processor has to execute.
chenks
24-06-2013
comparing a 1 month old phone to a 9 month old phone... shock horror the 1 month old phone is faster - who would have guessed.
konebyvax
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“comparing a 1 month old phone to a 9 month old phone... shock horror the 1 month old phone is faster - who would have guessed.”


It was also slower than a 8 month old phone costing £240 less.
jonner101
24-06-2013
Totally useless it doesn't even say which tests were run.

It's the combination of the programming efficiency both of the operating system, application and the hardware that determine how well real world apps perform.

I've got a nexus 4 which runs stuff pretty well but I've used an iPhone 5 and it's just as quick and perhaps the UI is slightly smoother.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“It was also slower than a 8 month old phone costing £240 less. ”

which one was that ?
alan1302
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“which one was that ?”

I'm assuming the Nexus 4
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“I'm assuming the Nexus 4”

he would be wrong about the price then, as the "google" price is heavily subsidised and not the real price of the device.
Zack06
24-06-2013
I'm not surprised. And the gap is only going to widen with Google's focus for Key Lime Pie rumoured to be maximising optimisation on devices particularly those with RAM < 1GB.

This result is bad for Apple and a blow to fans claiming that that iOS is better optimised for the hardware, yet the top 4 of this study is occupied entirely by Android devices.
konebyvax
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“he would be wrong about the price then, as the "google" price is heavily subsidised and not the real price of the device.”



So one phone is vastly underpriced and one phone is vastly overpriced. Guess which one I chose?
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“So one phone is vastly underpriced and one phone is vastly overpriced. Guess which one I chose? ”

the same one that i have i assume ?
IslandNiles
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“he would be wrong about the price then, as the "google" price is heavily subsidised and not the real price of the device.”

That's a silly argument IMO. That IS the retail price of the device from Google Play. So it's absolutely the real price of the device. Is it very cheap compared to other similar smartphones? Absolutely. But the price of it is the price of it.
konebyvax
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“the same one that i have i assume ?”


(looks left) Yes.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by IslandNiles:
“That's a silly argument IMO. That IS the retail price of the device from Google Play. So it's absolutely the real price of the device. Is it very cheap compared to other similar smartphones? Absolutely. But the price of it is the price of it.”

does that make the price of the iPhone £50 then? as you might pay that price on some contracts for it.

the nexus 4 is around £400 from O2 etc, or varying depending on contract.

the bottom line is that of course those phones will be "faster" (whatever the test for faster was) as they are all newer compared to the iphone 5.
Zack06
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by IslandNiles:
“That's a silly argument IMO. That IS the retail price of the device from Google Play. So it's absolutely the real price of the device. Is it very cheap compared to other similar smartphones? Absolutely. But the price of it is the price of it.”

Exactly. I can't believe some people are trying to argue this as a negative. If Google want to sell it at a lower price than everyone else, then that can only benefit the consumer. If anything, Apple's extortionate prices for their devices is the real case to be examined here.
konebyvax
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“does that make the price of the iPhone £50 then? as you might pay that price on some contracts for it.

the nexus 4 is around £400 from O2 etc, or varying depending on contract.”


But it IS a silly argument as no matter what Google are doing that IS the price you pay SIM free as opposed to £529 for the iPhone 5 SIM free direct from them. That is a true comparison so no idea why you brought a 24 month contract into the comparison.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Exactly. I can't believe some people are trying to argue this as a negative. If Google want to sell it at a lower price than everyone else, then that can only benefit the consumer. If anything, Apple's extortionate prices for their devices is the real case to be examined here.”

i only countered it as someone brought the price up as a positive argument.
Zack06
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“does that make the price of the iPhone £50 then? as you might pay that price on some contracts for it.

the nexus 4 is around £400 from O2 etc, or varying depending on contract.

the bottom line is that of course those phones will be "faster" (whatever the test for faster was) as they are all newer compared to the iphone 5.”

The Nexus 4 was released just a month after the iPhone 5, and no doubt they would have been in development at the same time, so that doesn't really aid your argument.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“But it IS a silly argument as no matter what Google are doing that IS the price you pay SIM free as opposed to £529 for the iPhone 5 SIM free direct from them. That is a true comparison so no idea why you brought a 24 month contract into the comparison. ”

i never mentioned a 24 month contract.
Zack06
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“i only countered it as someone brought the price up as a positive argument.”

But it is a positive argument. How can a subsidised price be argued as a negative for consumers? It only benefits the buying public.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“The Nexus 4 was released just a month after the iPhone 5, and no doubt they would have been in development at the same time, so that doesn't really aid your argument.”

i have a nexus 4 before you start to think otherwise.

i'm saying that lists like these are flawed, and should be treated as nothing but magazine filler.
konebyvax
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“does that make the price of the iPhone £50 then? as you might pay that price on some contracts for it.

the nexus 4 is around £400 from O2 etc, or varying depending on contract.

the bottom line is that of course those phones will be "faster" (whatever the test for faster was) as they are all newer compared to the iphone 5.”


The Nexus 4 is one whole month newer. Your arguments are getting sillier.
alan1302
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by chenks:
“he would be wrong about the price then, as the "google" price is heavily subsidised and not the real price of the device.”

If Google sell the phone at a price then that is the price of the phone. If it's subsidised or not does not matter as you can buy the phone at Googles price therefore that is the phones price.

What an odd comment.
chenks
24-06-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“But it is a positive argument. How can a subsidised price be argued as a negative for consumers? It only benefits the buying public. ”

how many people are buying their phones sim free?
vast majority are buying on subsidised contracts.
IslandNiles
24-06-2013
I don't just say this because the result doesn't look good for Apple, but I always think these benchmarks tests are quite meaningless. What's the speed difference in real world use? I'd be surprised if the Nexus 4 was much if any faster than the iPhone 5 for opening, using and switching apps, and performing key tasks.
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