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Old 25-06-2013, 21:41
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Sophie Ellis Bextor & Jamelia

Sophie was pretty huge 2000 - 2002 she featured on the single of the summer of 2000 "Goovejet (if this aint love)" then in 2001 her solo album was a huge commercial hit with lots of hit singles and critical acclaim/Brit recognition.

Then in 2003 she released her sophomore album which underperformed and none of her other albums really dented the charts much at all.

As for Jamelia when "Superstar" was released she was HUGE now I don't even know if she is still on planet earth.

Neither came from a reality background either. So what do you think? lack of radio support/the music being below par/people moving on?
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:10
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'Flavour Of The Month' has a very evident built-in shelf life.
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:22
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acts need to keep the interest of their market.
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:49
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acts need to keep the interest of their market.
Agreed alot of the time it's timing. Sometimes if an artist wait to long the market moves on and there simply is no interest. Other times the materila may be sub-par or be so different it alients the core audience whilst not bringing in any new fans. and sometimes it's just bad luck.
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:55
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Sophie Ellis-Bextor's second album wasn't nearly as strong as her first, in my opinion, and didn't have any obvious big hits on it (though the two singles both made the top 10). She became pregnant and cancelled any further single releases and her tour for the album, which also didn't help matters. Her next album arrived 4 years later, by which time most people had moved on. That said, I think her third album is just as good as 'Read My Lips', and it did peak much higher in the charts than 'Shoot From the Hip'. By the time she released another album 4 years on though, I just don't think the public were that interested anymore.
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:55
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Jamelia hasn't released anything for a while, and she did say she wanted to spend more time raising her daughters, which is understandable being a single mum.

However, Sophie's success was imo always based on her material and the production. That can only last for so long.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:02
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I think those two artists lost touch with their audience or people moved on perhaps to other artists who were doing the same and had gotten big at the time SEB/Jamelia came back.

The one I am puzzled by is Mika he was truly massive in the UK had a massive selling album even more so considering the still fairly low selling 2007/08 years. An album crammed full of hit singles and all the singles achieving chart success despite big album sales of 'Life in Cartoon Motion'.

'We are Golden' did well but then the singles and albums went down and the third completely bombed though he does well in certain European countries still.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:09
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I found SEB so cold and disinterested looking that I couldn't buy into her at all.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:14
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The one I am puzzled by is Mika he was truly massive in the UK had a massive selling album even more so considering the still fairly low selling 2007/08 years. An album crammed full of hit singles and all the singles achieving chart success despite big album sales of 'Life in Cartoon Motion'.

'We are Golden' did well but then the singles and albums went down and the third completely bombed though he does well in certain European countries still.
Mika was massive worldwide, his 1st album is awsome & sold like crazy... he sold 19.850.000 copies worldwide according to wikipedia.
I also bought the second one because I didn't even think I could be disapointed (despite the 1st single being underwhelming). But I found the album so so and moved on like so many people... Can't find the sales for this one, but they were really bad compared to the 1st one I think.
He seems to have done a duet with a current young female singer: Ariana Grande...

But like you, I wonder how someone at his incredible level of success could disapear like that...
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:22
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Mika was massive worldwide, his 1st album is awsome & sold like crazy... he sold 19.850.000 copies worldwide according to wikipedia.
I also bought the second one because I didn't even think I could be disapointed (despite the 1st single being underwhelming). But I found the album so so and moved on like so many people...
He seems to have done a duet with a current young female singer: Ariana Grande...

But like you, I wonder how someone at his incredible level of success could disapear like that...
I think Duffy is an even bigger anomaly. Her album sold 2m alone in the uk and bagged her a grammy and WW success. Second album bombed on an equally massive scale.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:33
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I think Duffy is an even bigger anomaly. Her album sold 2m alone in the uk and bagged her a grammy and WW success. Second album bombed on an equally massive scale.
I think that's down once again to a combination of timings, awful single choices and that diet coke advert!

She was huge in 2008. Then she comes back two years later, after a fairly quiet 2009, with the monstrosity "Well, Well, Well"... of course she was going to fail.

However the fact that after that single was launched and bombed that there wasn't an attempt to rescue her career is baffling. The record label just seemed to give up, which I agree, is a mystery.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:42
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I think that's down once again to a combination of timings, awful single choices and that diet coke advert!

She was huge in 2008. Then she comes back two years later, after a fairly quiet 2009, with the monstrosity "Well, Well, Well"... of course she was going to fail.

However the fact that after that single was launched and bombed that there wasn't an attempt to rescue her career is baffling. The record label just seemed to give up, which I agree, is a mystery.
There was that combination of as youu say timing and that moment of mass overexposure and bad single. But then no rescue considering it wasn't a complete bomb. Sometimes i think the label loses faith and its easier to cut their losses.
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Old 25-06-2013, 23:48
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[b]Sophie Ellis-Bextor's second album wasn't nearly as strong as her first, in my opinion, and didn't have any obvious big hits on it (though the two singles both made the top 10). She became pregnant and cancelled any further single releases and her tour for the album, which also didn't help matters. Her next album arrived 4 years later, by which time most people had moved on. That said, I think her third album is just as good as 'Read My Lips', and it did peak much higher in the charts than 'Shoot From the Hip'. By the time she released another album 4 years on though, I just don't think the public were that interested anymore.
I think Shoot from the Hip is really underrated.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:04
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Not sure on Sophie, I think she just didn't adapt to the changes in sound in that decade. Jamelia wrecked her own career by lashing out and slamming loads of new artists.

I'll never forget how she slammed Leona calling her a "poor man's Mariah Carey destined to fade into obscurity", yet a few months later Leona topped the US charts. If Jamelia kept her mouth shut and changed her attitude, she may not have been in the position she is now, i.e. nowhere.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:05
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Jamelia was a judge on the second season of the Irish version of "The Voice" which just finished recently.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:08
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Not sure on Sophie, I think she just didn't adapt to the changes in sound in that decade. Jamelia wrecked her own career by lashing out and slamming loads of new artists.

I'll never forget how she slammed Leona calling her a "poor man's Mariah Carey destined to fade into obscurity", yet a few months later Leona topped the US charts. If Jamelia kept her mouth shut and changed her attitude, she may not have been in the position she is now, i.e. nowhere.
Well she wasn't entirely wrong Leona's career is ona continuing downward spiral As for SEB i think she did adapt with Make A Scene but it was too little to late and she was destined to fade as time passed by as she was only ever as strong as her singles.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:30
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Well she wasn't entirely wrong Leona's career is ona continuing downward spiral As for SEB i think she did adapt with Make A Scene but it was too little to late and she was destined to fade as time passed by as she was only ever as strong as her singles.
Same goes for anyone. But with Leona at the time, it was dumb to say that, she was on fire.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:34
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I think it has something to do with how long they left between albums. Jamelia left three years between each album. Sophie left two years, then four years, then four years again. I just think that pop fans can be very fickle and disloyal. I bet if both artists had released and toured an album every year (like One Direction or Girls Aloud) they'd have maintained interest and success for a lot longer. I guess that might not have been practical though, as they both write their own material.
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Old 26-06-2013, 00:54
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I really like both of them, but I think the problem was, people weren't really fans of them, they just liked their songs. I don't really recall either of them having huge fanbases, which meant as soon as they went away for a while or had a song that wasn't a huge radio hit, they weren't going to get much attention. It's a shame, because with Sophie in particular, I think a lot of her songs after her peak in terms of chart success were better than her originals.
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Old 26-06-2013, 01:25
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Muchly preferred Theaudience as opposed to Bextor's solo stuff.
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Old 26-06-2013, 02:11
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Muchly preferred Theaudience as opposed to Bextor's solo stuff.
Same here. I loved that band and saw them live twice in 1998. Shame their 2nd album was never released. Going by the demos that leaked online it would have been a fantastic album!

As for Sophie solo I do like a lot of her stuff. She's released some great singles that I think should have done much better in the charts but I think a lot of her album tracks were quite bland and samey, which is a shame. Her last album Make A Scene I only like about 3 songs on, the rest all sort of merges into one for me. I still think her best solo single is Catch You. Brilliant song!

As for Jamelia, the only song I ever liked by her is Money.
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Old 26-06-2013, 02:19
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I think with Sophie Eliis-Bextor, it really was timing issue. Like many of you said, her long absence was the main factor. That being said, I didn't like Shoot From The Hip. I thought it was really underwhelming and didn't have the same fire as Read My Lips did. So, when she released Catch You from her next album, it saw really huge potential for Sophie to make a comeback. But, her record label screwed her over with the second single release and beyond and consequently, the album didn't do so well as it had hoped for. Her subsequent albums had similar fate and some of her materials were alright, but not great.

I think with Jamelia, her materials after Superstar just didn't live up to it, I guess. Mika is an interesting case though. After We Are Golden, he really did seem to have disappeared in the US/UK Market. But, he did really well with his latest studio album in other regions, especially in France. Mika is significantly more bigger in Europe than the UK itself.

I also find Duffy's case interesting. I also find it odd that a label would give up on Endlessly that quickly. Even if Well, Well, Well tanked and the album got severely massacred by the critics, I thought there would be a follow-up single, just to ease the pain a bit. At least when Christina Aguilera flopped with her Bionic era with Not Myself Tonight, the label attempted again by releasing You Lost Me, WooHoo (was that a single release?) and her film Burlesque, which very underperformed at the box office. Her Lotus era suffered the same fate, despite the lead single, Your Body, being better received. Again, the label tried again with a follow-up, Just a Fool, which was a duet with Blake Shelton.

Nelly Furtado is another artist that might fit this category. She had a massive first album, a decent second album and her Loose album which exploded like crazy. She released a Spanish album, Mi Plan then was absent for quite a while aside from a few Timbaland cameos. Spirit Indestructible did horribly in sales and has affected some of her tour dates. Yes, absence did play a massive factor here but I would have not chosen Big Hoops as a lead single to begin with.
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Old 26-06-2013, 02:59
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Jamelia was always criminally underrated
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Old 26-06-2013, 03:16
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I'm also amazed at how none of the singles from Garbage's brilliant last album 'Not Your Kind Of People' charted at all! The album itselt got to number 10 here, which isn't bad, but I think it should have been number 1, it's a terrific album! Imo Garbage are as good as they always were but they seem to have lost popularity, which is a shame.
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Old 26-06-2013, 03:48
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Jamelia took 3 year out of the industry to start a family. IMO that is a long time in the pop music world.

Sophie Ellis Bextor also took some time out.

Pop singers are basically just models on a Runway way. They can be easily replaced and forgotten by the GP.
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