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I like the respect Neil and Luisa have for each other
They both know they need the other gone to win, however if they are the final two that would be the absolute correct ending
However if the team had lost Francesca would have been pushed under a bus |
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They both know they need the other gone to win, however if they are the final two that would be the absolute correct ending
However if the team had lost Francesca would have been pushed under a bus |
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They both know they need the other gone to win, however if they are the final two that would be the absolute correct ending
However if the team had lost Francesca would have been pushed under a bus The ambigous bit is what that chef was doing. If he couldn't cook it ,or guide her from Luisa's rendering of the restaurant recipe, what was he doing? The recipe may have needed tasting as it was cooked,because the quantities of spics and condiments were vague, but none of them were better at tasting than the others - and the other real problem anyway was that whoever was cooking it hadn't tasted the original. |
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They both know they need the other gone to win, however if they are the final two that would be the absolute correct ending
However if the team had lost Francesca would have been pushed under a bus Luisa would probably spin it as "just suggesting" that Francesca should be in the kitchen. Francesca might have got fired, but Luisa was sitting pretty. |
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It's a clear strategy, especially on Luisa's part. I don't respect their decision to have a strong brand whilst leaving their product to the vagaries of fate.
The problem with the food is calling whether its going to repeat Zoe's experience where she's killed by inedible biscuits, or Yasmina's where her inedible chocolates are deemed fixable, and her cheap and nasty wraps are deemed to show business sense, or Kate's chocolates - whose cost is deemed unfixable. You can only go on what happens more often than not. . |
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Now you say that, I think that Luisa vs Neil is a very fitting end to the series - they have both been two prominent characters throughout the series and although they've both had somewhat negative episodes they have both shown real business acumen and skill.
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It's a clear strategy, especially on Luisa's part. I don't respect their decision to have a strong brand whilst leaving their product to the vagaries of fate.
Neil doesn't impress me in this episode as his pitching was dreadful. And the Thai and Caribbean combo? Jesus Christ. Only thoroughly drunk students would eat that.
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Obviously a deliberate ploy by Luisa. I find it very dubious that she was so vicious towards Neil in the previous task and at the start of this one, calling him a "pitbull", but suddenly she got onside with him and used that to berate Francesca. I think Francesca should have spoken up about that, Luisa obviously had the food experience over Francesca and tried to stitch her up by pretending that she was just as clueless.
Luisa wanted Neil onside because she knows that he is a very strong candidate and doesn't want him working against her. She seems quite afraid of Neil actually and scared that he will upstage her. |
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they have both shown real business acumen and skill.
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Luisa should have been in the kitchen preparing the food but I think she's too daft to be stuck there all day on her own. I bet somebody makes the cakes for her business too.
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Both Neil and Luisa saw the branding as the key (correctly as it turned out). Yet they came up with something that looked like Cillit Bang named like a dog food. Luisa doesn't seem to care how blatantly she acts, and Neil doesn't care as long as he's on the winning side. Francesca could have stood up for herself, but having accepted (without any grace) the role in the kitchen she didn't appear to try at all.
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Agreed. I still don't understand why Luisa and Neil claimed they couldn't cook. Both are parents. Of course they can cook.
Neil doesn't impress me in this episode as his pitching was dreadful. And the Thai and Caribbean combo? Jesus Christ. Only thoroughly drunk students would eat that. ![]() |
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I wasn't aware becoming a parent instantly gave you the ability to cook, I'll have to remind my mother.
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Who said anything about instantly? You learn how to become a parent and part of that learning is learning an ability to cook something for your child. How else did you survive as a child?
![]() Luisa stitched Francesca up by saying she couldn't cook when it was abundantly clear she can. She merely didn't want to be consigned to the back-room role - she wanted to be in the half of the team where she could influenced the PM and the task outcome more directly. For all Karren's comments about how she was working well with Neil and putting their differences aside (fair comment), her subsequent put-downs of Francesca when research told them the food tasted bad were uncalled for and overly personal. I remain unconvinced by her personality, although as I've said in previous weeks I do believe her business instincts are solid. |
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Who said anything about instantly? You learn how to become a parent and part of that learning is learning an ability to cook something for your child. How else did you survive as a child?
![]() None of that would have been of any use tonight. |
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Agreed. I still don't understand why Luisa and Neil claimed they couldn't cook. Both are parents. Of course they can cook.
Neil doesn't impress me in this episode as his pitching was dreadful. And the Thai and Caribbean combo? Jesus Christ. Only thoroughly drunk students would eat that. ![]() And are Neil and Luisa really parents?
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I know plenty of parents who can't cook anything more complicated than a pizza or baked beans ...
Luisa stitched Francesca up by saying she couldn't cook when it was abundantly clear she can. She merely didn't want to be consigned to the back-room role - she wanted to be in the half of the team where she could influenced the PM and the task outcome more directly. For all Karren's comments about how she was working well with Neil and putting their differences aside (fair comment), her subsequent put-downs of Francesca when research told them the food tasted bad were uncalled for and overly personal. I remain unconvinced by her personality, although as I've said in previous weeks I do believe her business instincts are solid. |
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And are Neil and Luisa really parents?
![]() They are. Neil has two children (I think he said two daughters in one episode) and Luisa has one daughter.
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This. I agree about Luisa having some good instincts. It's the conniving and the way she treats others that I don't like. But perhaps in reality all these elements count.
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I think Luisa was trying to set it up so that Francesca was fired from the start of the task (just as she successfully tried to get Jason fired)
...lying about her cooking ability (as KB to her credit twigged) .....flirting with Neil .....giving extremely complicated instructions to a self confessed hopeless cook I used to be pro-Luisa but she's really shown her true colours in the last two tasks. It would be awful if she reached the F2, let alone won. |
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The relationship between them now is like a truce between a mongoose and a snake. They will fight to the death if they have to.
Luisa sensed which way the wind was blowing in this episode, and played a very safe game, by letting Neil take charge and sticking by him. |
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I think Luisa was trying to set it up so that Francesca was fired from the start of the task (just as she successfully tried to get Jason fired)
...lying about her cooking ability (as KB to her credit twigged) .....flirting with Neil .....giving extremely complicated instructions to a self confessed hopeless cook I used to be pro-Luisa but she's really shown her true colours in the last two tasks. It would be awful if she reached the F2, let alone won. Given that she was on a warning the previous week LS would have had an interesting decision of which of the girls to fire. Alas we will never know. |
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I think Luisa was trying to set it up so that Francesca was fired from the start of the task (just as she successfully tried to get Jason fired)
It's not so much that she deliberately sabotaged Francesca - she wanted to win not lose the task - but that her selfishness and (over)confidence led her to a deliberate ploy to avoid the kitchen. The thing is, Luisa has pretty sound business instincts. But in a team situation she will always try to put herself where the action is - most of the candidates do something similar, just less blatantly - to further her own cause, which overrides any team considerations in her head. That's why I can't see Sugar partnering with her. Why put your money into someone who always thinks they're right and, when push comes to shove, will follow what they want to do against any external advice? |
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I didn't think it was entirely fair to blame Luisa for not going in the kitchen. She said that she wasn't confident about savoury ingredients and thought she'd be better on branding. She's obviously more confident with desserts because that is her business, but anyone in the food industry has at least a basic knowledge of food, which is clearly more than Francesca had. Luisa obviously thought that she wasn't the right person to cook, but when she saw the way that Francesca was doing it, she changed her mind and in hindsight, she probably should have volunteered to cook. And besides, it was Neil's decision as to where they all went, not Luisa's.
And Francesca completely overreacted to everything. Like when Luisa was talking about how the clients didn't like the taste - 'Go on, stab me some more, I haven't felt it enough yet!' She wasn't stabbing her in the back at all, she was saying that that was what let their product down, which was the truth. |
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I didn't think it was entirely fair to blame Luisa for not going in the kitchen. She said that she wasn't confident about savoury ingredients and thought she'd be better on branding. She's obviously more confident with desserts because that is her business, but anyone in the food industry has at least a basic knowledge of food, which is clearly more than Francesca had. Luisa obviously thought that she wasn't the right person to cook, but when she saw the way that Francesca was doing it, she changed her mind and in hindsight, she probably should have volunteered to cook. And besides, it was Neil's decision as to where they all went, not Luisa's.
And Francesca completely overreacted to everything. Like when Luisa was talking about how the clients didn't like the taste - 'Go on, stab me some more, I haven't felt it enough yet!' She wasn't stabbing her in the back at all, she was saying that that was what let their product down, which was the truth. But it seemed clear enough to me that Luisa should have volunteered for the kitchen. But she would never do that - selflessly volunteering for a back-room role is hardly within her nature. In doing what was best for herself, it meant the team as a whole suffered. Having said that, Neil should never have fallen for the can't cook/won't cook routine - that was weak leadership. Even though cakes are her speciality, putting Luisa in the kitchen was clearly always going to be a better fit than putting in Francesca who couldn't cook at all. Not impressed with Luisa at all. Pure tactics. I know they all do it to an extent, but this was blatant self-interest. |
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