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Old 28-06-2013, 13:30
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I think this is the way of the future in terms of tv shows i'm going to invest in...

It's great that they automatically get full seasons (cable model, 13 episodes) and it seems they're all getting a second chance too with extra seasons..

No more watching a show, and it gets canned after 3 episodes

So far:

House of Cards.....Renewed for 2nd Season

Hemlock Grove.....Renewed for 2nd Season

Arrested Development.......Seems to depend on the creator, but Netflix want more

Orange is the New Black......Renewed for 2nd season even before season 1 airs

H20 Just Add Water Spin Off.....26 Episodes (Kids tv show)


I read that Netflix is going to double up on their original programming next year so it seems to be going brilliantly for them.


And I CANNOT WAIT for Orange is the New Black
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:35
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I'm not sure how They will operate when it comes to renewals, does Netflix know how many times a video has been watched?
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Old 28-06-2013, 13:41
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I'm not sure how They will operate when it comes to renewals, does Netflix know how many times a video has been watched?
Yes, when Hemlock Grove premiered they announced that for the same weekend as House of Cards was released, Hemlock Grove had a higher number of viewers.....
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Old 28-06-2013, 15:11
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Yes, when Hemlock Grove premiered they announced that for the same weekend as House of Cards was released, Hemlock Grove had a higher number of viewers.....
Probably because the high profile House of Cards had already brought in a large number of new Netflix subscribers who then went on to watch Hemlock Grove. Just my theory.
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Old 28-06-2013, 15:20
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looking forward to Orange is the New Black
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:17
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Im looking forward to oramge is the new black too
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:43
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I think it's a great for television shows to get made
Plus all the episodes are released in all one bundle, so no waiting around for a week for each episode
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Old 28-06-2013, 23:54
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We don't actually know how good the figures are. It's possible that the figures aren't that good, but Netflix are renewing them just so they can say it's been successful...
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Old 29-06-2013, 00:24
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We don't actually know how good the figures are. It's possible that the figures aren't that good, but Netflix are renewing them just so they can say it's been successful...
I highly doubt that considering they have to pay to have these series produced..

Especially House of Cards, which apparently had a 100million budget...

Hemlock Grove Costs 4 million per episode so they're not going to invest so much money on these shows if they fail..

Ratings obviously can't be released, but Netflix do release viewing data which shows all their series so far have been major successful.

Take House of Cards:

A third party internet traffic monitoring firm, Procera Networks, told The Telegraph that "11 percent of Netflix subscribers watched at least one episode of the series.” The firm's figures also indicate that "a significant portion" binge-watched all of "House of Cards" Season 1 in the first weekend it was available.

11% is a HUGE number of people, considering Netflix has over 40 million subscribers..

Hemlock Grove rated better then House of Cards in its first weekend released, and Arrested Development was massive
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Old 29-06-2013, 00:29
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I highly doubt that considering they have to pay to have these series produced..

Especially House of Cards, which apparently had a 100million budget...

Hemlock Grove Costs 4 million per episode so they're not going to invest so much money on these shows if they fail..

Ratings obviously can't be released, but Netflix do release viewing data which shows all their series so far have been major successful.

Take House of Cards:

A third party internet traffic monitoring firm, Procera Networks, told The Telegraph that "11 percent of Netflix subscribers watched at least one episode of the series.” The firm's figures also indicate that "a significant portion" binge-watched all of "House of Cards" Season 1 in the first weekend it was available.

11% is a HUGE number of people, considering Netflix has over 40 million subscribers..

Hemlock Grove rated better then House of Cards in its first weekend released, and Arrested Development was massive
4m people watched a David Fincher/Kevin Spacey TV series. Considering the talent involved, that number seems a little low to me. Though I imagine SPTV were subsiding slightly, as they'll make it back through DVDs and international sales.
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Old 29-06-2013, 00:39
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I only signed up to watch season 3 of The Killing, really enjoying that so far and just watched the first 2 episodes of Hemlock Grove, thought it was pretty good and something different at least.

Another one here looking forward to Orange is the New Black, good sign It's already getting a 2nd season.

Wil definately keep the subscription at this rate.
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Old 29-06-2013, 01:32
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4m people watched a David Fincher/Kevin Spacey TV series. Considering the talent involved, that number seems a little low to me. Though I imagine SPTV were subsiding slightly, as they'll make it back through DVDs and international sales.
Hardly low....when you consider the content on netflix, 4 million is huge.

11% of subscribers sought out to watch an original series...

its pretty damm impressive actually. Also it brought it millions od new subscribers

"Cards" was the most-watched show on the site when it was released in February. "House Of Cards" wasn't just commercially successful, it was critically acclaimed as well, scoring 76 out of 100 on Metacritic, meaning critics gave it "generally favorable reviews." And probably most importantly for the company, Netflix gained 3 million new subscribers and windfall profits that quarter as well.
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Old 29-06-2013, 01:33
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I only signed up to watch season 3 of The Killing, really enjoying that so far and just watched the first 2 episodes of Hemlock Grove, thought it was pretty good and something different at least.

Another one here looking forward to Orange is the New Black, good sign It's already getting a 2nd season.

Wil definately keep the subscription at this rate.
I'm loving the fact we are getting The Killing the day after it airs in the US.. and its been a great season so far.

Can't wait for Orange is the New Black Either
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Old 29-06-2013, 03:11
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I have watched both House of Card and Hemlock Grove and thought they were brilliant, House Of Cards especially, so glad both are renewed for second seasons.

I can't wait for Orange Is The New Black to premier, it looks promising.
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Old 29-06-2013, 10:53
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Hardly low....when you consider the content on netflix, 4 million is huge.

11% of subscribers sought out to watch an original series...

its pretty damm impressive actually. Also it brought it millions od new subscribers

"Cards" was the most-watched show on the site when it was released in February. "House Of Cards" wasn't just commercially successful, it was critically acclaimed as well, scoring 76 out of 100 on Metacritic, meaning critics gave it "generally favorable reviews." And probably most importantly for the company, Netflix gained 3 million new subscribers and windfall profits that quarter as well.
Season 2 of Girls on HBO aggregated about 4.6m (or about 16% of HBO subscribers) a week, and that has no big name stars.

Something with that amount of buzz, critical acclaim (slightly less than Girls, but not amazingly so) and both Kevin Spacey and David Fincher attached should perhaps be doing a little better than Season 2 of Girls...
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Old 29-06-2013, 12:58
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Season 2 of Girls on HBO aggregated about 4.6m (or about 16% of HBO subscribers) a week, and that has no big name stars.

Something with that amount of buzz, critical acclaim (slightly less than Girls, but not amazingly so) and both Kevin Spacey and David Fincher attached should perhaps be doing a little better than Season 2 of Girls...


Well not really when you consider Netflix is an internet only streaming site...

And HBO also has a much much larger reach then netflix by the way, .. with 114 MILLION subscribers worldwide, v netflix's 40 MILLION
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Old 29-06-2013, 15:38
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Well not really when you consider Netflix is an internet only streaming site...

And HBO also has a much much larger reach then netflix by the way, .. with 114 MILLION subscribers worldwide, v netflix's 40 MILLION
No. The Girls season 2 figures were for HBO US only, and the percentage was based on the 28m subscribers it has in the US.

If House of Cards only managed 4m internationally, it didn't do that well at all. (I assumed the 4m was US only) It didn't flop badly, but I'd have expected at least 5/6m people would look at it internationally with those names attached and that kind of press coverage.

I'm not rooting for it to fail, I was just saying that Netflix had to save face and make it look like they were successful, especially given the money they spent on it.
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Old 29-06-2013, 16:56
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No. The Girls season 2 figures were for HBO US only, and the percentage was based on the 28m subscribers it has in the US.

If House of Cards only managed 4m internationally, it didn't do that well at all. (I assumed the 4m was US only) It didn't flop badly, but I'd have expected at least 5/6m people would look at it internationally with those names attached and that kind of press coverage.

I'm not rooting for it to fail, I was just saying that Netflix had to save face and make it look like they were successful, especially given the money they spent on it.
As I said, Netflix is a streaming site..its a whole different ball game then a subscription tv channel.

Also, that "4 million viewers only" was for its first weekend, its been up for 7 months now....that number would be huge now

There's not much else to say, House of Cards has been the most successful series on Netflix, 3 million new subscribers signed up the weekend it was released ... it was a major success for them. there is no denying it.

And to renew a show that costs 100 MILLION DOLLARS just to save face is absolutely ridiculous.

Because of the success of HoC, Netflix have said they will be doubling up with their original programming in 2014 because of its success.
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Old 29-06-2013, 17:12
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I hated Hemlock Grove! Terrible acting and a stupid story-line. I usually like this sort of thing but after Being Human (UK) I couldn't cope with it! The werewolf transformation was good though.
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Old 29-06-2013, 17:18
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As I said, Netflix is a streaming site..its a whole different ball game then a subscription tv channel.

Also, that "4 million viewers only" was for its first weekend, its been up for 7 months now....that number would be huge now

There's not much else to say, House of Cards has been the most successful series on Netflix, 3 million new subscribers signed up the weekend it was released ... it was a major success for them. there is no denying it.

And to renew a show that costs 100 MILLION DOLLARS just to save face is absolutely ridiculous.

Because of the success of HoC, Netflix have said they will be doubling up with their original programming in 2014 because of its success.
A) It will have gone up, but I don't think it will have gone up vastly. Maybe 5 or 6m now...

It was definitely a success, but if the show as is had been distributed by a "normal" method, it would've probably have probably got more viewers than that in it's première showings. And that's why I'm not sure it's that successful.

B) Netflix have got that kind of money to spare, so it is quite possible they would have done that. However it is somewhat unlikely, and it was only a theory.

C) It costs $50m a series, that's $3.8m an episode. Netflix ordered two series. And they can easily go back to Sony and ask them to reduce the licensing fee. Sony could ask for budget cuts or cover more of it themselves.

D) There were probably plans to do that anyway, and HoC just caused them to do it faster. And you don't think Netflix would make it's success sound better than it was?
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Old 29-06-2013, 17:34
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A) It will have gone up, but I don't think it will have gone up vastly. Maybe 5 or 6m now...

It was definitely a success, but if the show as is had been distributed by a "normal" method, it would've probably have probably got more viewers than that in it's première showings. And that's why I'm not sure it's that successful.

B) Netflix have got that kind of money to spare, so it is quite possible they would have done that. However it is somewhat unlikely, and it was only a theory.

C) It costs $50m a series, that's $3.8m an episode. Netflix ordered two series. And they can easily go back to Sony and ask them to reduce the licensing fee. Sony could ask for budget cuts or cover more of it themselves.

D) There were probably plans to do that anyway, and HoC just caused them to do it faster. And you don't think Netflix would make it's success sound better than it was?
I think it'll be alot higher then 5 or 6 million considering the extremely positive word of mouth...and the 4million was for the US site only...


And no, I don't think Netflix has that kind o money to spare...to renew a show that preformed poorly for them? Absolutely not.

Every single media outlet, article etc has praised House of Cards Global success...and are hailing it as the starting point of a new era of television....its success is what made Amazon, Xbox etc look into original programming....

Also, The success of House of Cards helped Netflix's quarterly revenue surpass 1 billion!
It also started airing on showtime in Australia, bringing in huge numbers for the channel...
the dvd is out soon which is sure to rake in the cash....



Anyway, I'm happy for the success of these series and cannot wait to see what else comes our way next year
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Old 29-06-2013, 17:45
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I think it'll be alot higher then 5 or 6 million considering the extremely positive word of mouth...and the 4million was for the US site only...


And no, I don't think Netflix has that kind o money to spare...to renew a show that preformed poorly for them? Absolutely not.

Every single media outlet, article etc has praised House of Cards Global success...and are hailing it as the starting point of a new era of television....its success is what made Amazon, Xbox etc look into original programming....

Also, The success of House of Cards helped Netflix's quarterly revenue surpass 1 billion!
It also started airing on showtime in Australia, bringing in huge numbers for the channel...
the dvd is out soon which is sure to rake in the cash....



Anyway, I'm happy for the success of these series and cannot wait to see what else comes our way next year
The 4m US figure makes more sense. Internationally probably 7 or 8m now then.

According to Yahoo! Finance Netflix has $3.9bn worth of assets. $50m is almost pocket change for them. But this is irrelevant, as the show is performing fairly well for them.

The show is distributed by Sony Pictures Television, Netflix just own Premiere and Streaming rights, they make nothing from international sales and home media. It's likely that SPTV are using how media to cover some of the licensing costs...

I've not seen it, I'm waiting to buy the blu ray...
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Old 29-06-2013, 18:02
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I read an interview recently with one of the Netflix commissioning Producers, who clarified the budget of $100 million for 'House of Cards' was for Both seasons.

Anything over an average 1 million viewers on US Cable is seen as 'good' - obviously more than that is 'great' for them.

I'd love them to pick up 'The Borgias' Season 4 if Showtime decide not to reverse their decision to cancel it.
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Old 29-06-2013, 18:39
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I read an interview recently with one of the Netflix commissioning Producers, who clarified the budget of $100 million for 'House of Cards' was for Both seasons.

Anything over an average 1 million viewers on US Cable is seen as 'good' - obviously more than that is 'great' for them.

I'd love them to pick up 'The Borgias' Season 4 if Showtime decide not to reverse their decision to cancel it.

Yes it was for both seasons...

Personally I can't see them picking up Borgias to be honest...

I'd move rather see them picking up Happy Endings but that won't happen either...
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Old 29-06-2013, 21:08
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Yes it was for both seasons...

Personally I can't see them picking up Borgias to be honest...

I'd move rather see them picking up Happy Endings but that won't happen either...
Not least because it's produced by Showtime themselves (amongst others)
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