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Old 28-06-2013, 14:55
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Sorry, I just think his characters DONE:yawn::sleep:
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Old 28-06-2013, 14:59
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Old 28-06-2013, 15:09
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i agree too!

I feel by turning Doug gay it has destroyed the character, the character is just so boring now and feels like a spare part
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Old 28-06-2013, 15:22
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I don't think he's had suffice storylines to be "done".

I think there's a lot more they could do.

I don't think having him "discover his true sexuality" was a great path to go down though, it's damaged the character somewhat and I don't like how they've made Doug extra camp now just because he is homosexual. It's annoying, he wasn't like this before. In fact, for over a full year he was straight before, why suddenly reveal this hidden sexuality which had no hints before? In fact a mere month before it started to surface he was battling it out with Dodger for Jodie's attention. Why couldn't they keep him straight and have another character get with Ste?! I think Doug/Lynsey would have been a great pairing.

Doug was well-loved towards the end of 2011, especially in the episode devoted to him where he tried to commit suicide.

I think turning him gay was one of Emma's mistakes.
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Old 28-06-2013, 15:50
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I don't think he's had suffice storylines to be "done".

I think there's a lot more they could do.

I don't think having him "discover his true sexuality" was a great path to go down though, it's damaged the character somewhat and I don't like how they've made Doug extra camp now just because he is homosexual. It's annoying, he wasn't like this before. In fact, for over a full year he was straight before, why suddenly reveal this hidden sexuality which had no hints before? In fact a mere month before it started to surface he was battling it out with Dodger for Jodie's attention. Why couldn't they keep him straight and have another character get with Ste?! I think Doug/Lynsey would have been a great pairing.

Doug was well-loved towards the end of 2011, especially in the episode devoted to him where he tried to commit suicide.

I think turning him gay was one of Emma's mistakes.
got that spot on! couldn't have put that better myself
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Old 28-06-2013, 16:01
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I think Doug became gay for the same reason Ste did, because the actor playing him is. Which tells me that it wasn't within the interests of the character, or true to him, it was within the interests of the story. For Ste it worked out, for Doug it feels as though he's another character entirely. I really don't know anything about going through sexuality issues so I don't want to say how it was handled was inauthentic but I do think that it's been detrimental to his character. He always seems so weak to me now, always so easily walked over and upset by a love interest. I can only say that if it were a female character behaving like that, i'd be really offended and angry. Although I do think he has gotten less like that recently.

I don't know where Hollyoaks can take him but I think it would be foolish to lose a character played by such a good actor if they can help it. As much as I don't like Doug anymore, I think PJ is phenomenol and I think they should hold on to him. They just need to give him better storylines. Not just make him someone's love interest. I hope he becomes involved in exposing Will.
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Old 28-06-2013, 17:46
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I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.
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Old 28-06-2013, 17:51
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I've never been a massive Doug fan,but have hated the transformation since he came out.He' become incredibly camp,needy and whiny.I think its time for him to go now Texas is dead,Leanne looks like she's going and him and Ste are over
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Old 28-06-2013, 18:39
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I haven't posted on here for months but I keep seeing the same old predictable complaints about this character regardless of what he is doing, and the fact he has been written a lot better this year. I find the 'turning gay' ruined him complaint quite offensive, just as I did when it was constantly said against Ste, and recently he has been standing up for himself on a number of occasions so I have no idea why people complain about him being weak. Personally I think he is inoffensive, and is a really good character played by one of their strongest actors, but I do think he needs a big story of his own at some stage because he just seems to be playing supporting roles in other's stories which can be frustrating when is more than capable of doing a lot more.
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Old 28-06-2013, 18:53
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I haven't posted on here for months but I keep seeing the same old predictable complaints about this character regardless of what he is doing, and the fact he has been written a lot better this year. I find the 'turning gay' ruined him complaint quite offensive, just as I did when it was constantly said against Ste, and recently he has been standing up for himself on a number of occasions so I have no idea why people complain about him being weak. Personally I think he is inoffensive, and is a really good character played by one of their strongest actors, but I do think he needs a big story of his own at some stage because he just seems to be playing supporting roles in other's stories which can be frustrating when is more than capable of doing a lot more.
I don't think they are saying hes week they are saying hes whiney. and they are right he is.
he is also very needy.
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Old 28-06-2013, 18:57
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I haven't posted on here for months but I keep seeing the same old predictable complaints about this character regardless of what he is doing, and the fact he has been written a lot better this year. I find the 'turning gay' ruined him complaint quite offensive, just as I did when it was constantly said against Ste, and recently he has been standing up for himself on a number of occasions so I have no idea why people complain about him being weak. Personally I think he is inoffensive, and is a really good character played by one of their strongest actors, but I do think he needs a big story of his own at some stage because he just seems to be playing supporting roles in other's stories which can be frustrating when is more than capable of doing a lot more.
If it helps, I didn't like him much when he was straight either.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:08
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I haven't posted on here for months but I keep seeing the same old predictable complaints about this character regardless of what he is doing, and the fact he has been written a lot better this year. I find the 'turning gay' ruined him complaint quite offensive, just as I did when it was constantly said against Ste, and recently he has been standing up for himself on a number of occasions so I have no idea why people complain about him being weak. Personally I think he is inoffensive, and is a really good character played by one of their strongest actors, but I do think he needs a big story of his own at some stage because he just seems to be playing supporting roles in other's stories which can be frustrating when is more than capable of doing a lot more.
The reason I find him weak is because it seemed to me that when he was with Ste, he was very submissive to him and he let his self-worth be too reliant on him. As I said, if that were a relationship between a man and a woman, i'd be furious. I'm not going to overlook it just because it's a gay man. I do agree that he's been standing up for himself more recently but he's also such a drag. With John Paul, he almost immediatly started getting snarkey with him for not giving him his undivided attention. Again, I was thinking if that was a woman i'd be really annoyed by that portrayal. It's less of a big deal, I suppose, when it's two men but I don't like how his relationships always seem unequal.

Why do you find the thing about him 'turning gay' ruining him offensive? I don't think the way it's expressed is all that great but I don't think anyone is saying anything remotely homophobic. I definately admit I don't know anything about it but for me it lead to relationships that were destructive, as I mentioned above, and that's what's been bad for him.

I don't find him inoffensive either, he can be pretty mean at times. I'm still mad at him for making fun of Ste's dyslexia.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:08
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I don't think they are saying hes week they are saying hes whiney. and they are right he is.
he is also very needy.
That's their and your opinion, I personally don't see it all. I think last year he suffered a bit for being made into an obvious plot device, but this year he's being written as a much more confident and stronger character, well that's how I see it.

If it helps, I didn't like him much when he was straight either.
Fair enough. We don't all like the same characters. I enjoy watching him and he's one of my favourites so felt I wanted to say something about some of the same complaints I keep seeing.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:13
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That's their and your opinion, I personally don't see it all. I think last year he suffered a bit for being made into an obvious plot device, but this year he's being written as a much more confident and stronger character, well that's how I see it.



Fair enough. We don't all like the same characters. I enjoy watching him and he's one of my favourites so felt I wanted to say something about some of the same complaints I keep seeing.
And that's fair enough too. I just wanted you to know that it's really not a homophobic thing.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:38
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The reason I find him weak is because it seemed to me that when he was with Ste, he was very submissive to him and he let his self-worth be too reliant on him. As I said, if that were a relationship between a man and a woman, i'd be furious. I'm not going to overlook it just because it's a gay man. I do agree that he's been standing up for himself more recently but he's also such a drag. With John Paul, he almost immediatly started getting snarkey with him for not giving him his undivided attention. Again, I was thinking if that was a woman i'd be really annoyed by that portrayal. It's less of a big deal, I suppose, when it's two men but I don't like how his relationships always seem unequal.

Why do you find the thing about him 'turning gay' ruining him offensive? I don't think the way it's expressed is all that great but I don't think anyone is saying anything remotely homophobic. I definately admit I don't know anything about it but for me it lead to relationships that were destructive, as I mentioned above, and that's what's been bad for him.

I don't find him inoffensive either, he can be pretty mean at times. I'm still mad at him for making fun of Ste's dyslexia.
I think so many of his issues when he was with Ste was because he became a plot device. I didn't like a lot of what happened to him during that period, so I was really pleased when he came back a lot stronger, and a big reason why I hope they never revisit that again. It's almost impossible to analyse the few seconds we see of his relationship with John Paul, but I don't see him as needing undivided attention, in fact he didn't want to be messed about after he was stood up, and overall he seems fairly self sufficient at the moment.

Personally, I think coming out differs for everyone, and the way I had seen people go on about it being ridiculous and laughable I found offensive. They perhaps should of spent longer on that part of the story, but that's not the fault of the character.

I don't even want to get into who did what and why between him and Ste because it was all so destructive, and I'd rather they moved on from it all.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:41
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Dough is such a wet blanket. A really irritating character.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:50
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I think so many of his issues when he was with Ste was because he became a plot device. I didn't like a lot of what happened to him during that period, so I was really pleased when he came back a lot stronger, and a big reason why I hope they never revisit that again. It's almost impossible to analyse the few seconds we see of his relationship with John Paul, but I don't see him as needing undivided attention, in fact he didn't want to be messed about after he was stood up, and overall he seems fairly self sufficient at the moment.

Personally, I think coming out differs for everyone, and the way people go on about it being ridiculous and laughable is offensive. They perhaps should of spent longer on that part of the story, but that's not the fault of the character.

I don't even want to get into who did what and why between him and Ste because it was all so destructive, and I'd rather they moved on from it all.
I see and I completely agree. At first I did think it wasn't handled well but then I realised I was being ignorant because I know nothing about it so I don't have an issue with that. I think it's always just the feminist in me that's bothered by his portrayal, he's a male obviously, but all I took in was him being imo submissive to a man. It is nice to see him come back stronger, as you say. I think that's positive.

I saw some people speculating that eventually him and Ste will reconcile but I hope not, they were really bad for each other.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:54
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I've grown to like him a lot more since he and Ste split up. Then I read that
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and now I feel he is just going to go round in circles, because he can't move on.
Also as I've said many times, any potential the relationship between him and JP had has been ruined by terrible writing and inconsistent screentime. It's clearly going nowhere so has done neither character any good by being dragged out pointlessly for this long.

On that basis I wouldn't miss Doug if he left. However, if they kept him away from Ste and gave him a proper storyline rather than just using him as a support character/love interest then I might change my mind because I do like PJ.
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Old 28-06-2013, 19:57
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I see and I completely agree. At first I did think it wasn't handled well but then I realised I was being ignorant because I know nothing about it so I don't have an issue with that. I think it's always just the feminist in me that's bothered by his portrayal, he's a male obviously, but all I took in was him being imo submissive to a man. It is nice to see him come back stronger, as you say. I think that's positive.

I saw some people speculating that eventually him and Ste will reconcile but I hope not, they were really bad for each other.
BIB - That would be a big mistake. I think even Hollyoaks must be aware of that.
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Old 28-06-2013, 20:16
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I see and I completely agree. At first I did think it wasn't handled well but then I realised I was being ignorant because I know nothing about it so I don't have an issue with that. I think it's always just the feminist in me that's bothered by his portrayal, he's a male obviously, but all I took in was him being imo submissive to a man. It is nice to see him come back stronger, as you say. I think that's positive.

I saw some people speculating that eventually him and Ste will reconcile but I hope not, they were really bad for each other.
Yeah, it's definitely positive.

And I couldn't agree more with not wanting him and Ste to go back to that again, and that's speaking as a former 'Stug' fan. It did neither character any good by the end, and it's going to take a lot of work for me to even accept them as friends. I would of preferred Doug to have been given a new love interest that they intended to last, so he could've moved on for good and had a proper story out of it.
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Old 28-06-2013, 20:19
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I haven't posted on here for months but I keep seeing the same old predictable complaints about this character regardless of what he is doing, and the fact he has been written a lot better this year. I find the 'turning gay' ruined him complaint quite offensive, just as I did when it was constantly said against Ste, and recently he has been standing up for himself on a number of occasions so I have no idea why people complain about him being weak. Personally I think he is inoffensive, and is a really good character played by one of their strongest actors, but I do think he needs a big story of his own at some stage because he just seems to be playing supporting roles in other's stories which can be frustrating when is more than capable of doing a lot more.
I'm with you on this, I just wish they hadn't put Doug together with JP. James Sutton is such a dreary actor it must be like walking though sand trying to get anything from him. It would be good if they could come with some story lines for him which aren't relationship based
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Old 28-06-2013, 20:42
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I'm with you on this, I just wish they hadn't put Doug together with JP. James Sutton is such a dreary actor it must be like walking though sand trying to get anything from him. It would be good if they could come with some story lines for him which aren't relationship based
Ha he does appear a bit disinterested at times, but I quite like him, and was willing to give him and Doug a chance, but that doesn't seem to be their intention. Yeah, I would love Doug to get a big story, I was hoping he would be the one to find out about Will murdering Texas but it looks like that might be Ash. Hopefully he'll get something bigger and better after the summer because I think he really deserves it.
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Old 28-06-2013, 20:58
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"Is It time for Doug to leave?"

I'm praying very hard that Hollyoaks has reached this conclusion. Or even PJ himself. It doesn't really matter, as long as the end result is this smug, whiny, clingy and hypocritical character disappearing from my TV screen :sleep:

It would be my favourite HOs departure since Rae's exit
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Old 28-06-2013, 21:23
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He better than other characters on the show.

He just needs better storylines to be honest and more of a backbone.
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Old 28-06-2013, 21:57
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I don't think so, he's not really had any storylines where he was the main focus, so it's not like his character has done all that can be done. I think they need to find a focus for him, stop changing him to suit other characters stories and give him one of his own.
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