Oh I am sorry, seems Vets don't know everything.
Dog aggressive with other dogs.
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I totally agree. Leave the males well alone, (unless there is a medical reason for castration), and neuter the females as soon as it is safe to do so 
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Originally Posted by bazaar1:
“Most ridiculous post I've read in a long time. I can assure you it is recommended to neuter all dogs once they reach 6 months of age (and everything has dropped), for numerous reasons. I agree with mollie that if a dog has fear aggression the hormone surge can cause more problems, but in all honesty if the dog had been properly socialised and then neutered at 6 months it wouldn't be fear aggressive in the first place (I'm not critiquing the op or mollie as they may not of had the pup from day 1).”
“Most ridiculous post I've read in a long time. I can assure you it is recommended to neuter all dogs once they reach 6 months of age (and everything has dropped), for numerous reasons. I agree with mollie that if a dog has fear aggression the hormone surge can cause more problems, but in all honesty if the dog had been properly socialised and then neutered at 6 months it wouldn't be fear aggressive in the first place (I'm not critiquing the op or mollie as they may not of had the pup from day 1).”
Sorry, very late to this debate!
Neutering is an option but not a magic remedy. I've seen a number of neutered dogs which has had absolutely no affect on their aggression at all!
The moral debate on neutering is not something I have experience in discussing!
This may have already been mentioned (I have no doubt its somewhere in the thread) but my primary advice would be to get the dog into a controlled environment with other dogs, an outside obedience class is ideal but don't just turn up, the instructor will need to be completely aware of the situation.
I apologise profusely if I am teaching granny to suck eggs or if I am repeating something already advised.
Originally Posted by valeter10:
“And you have what veterinary/medical training and experience exactly? To back up your " theories"?”
“And you have what veterinary/medical training and experience exactly? To back up your " theories"?”
The poster seems to think that he/she knows everything since they did a course or two in animal management.
The American Veterinary Medical Association is actually against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs. However, they do advocate a case by case policy, whereby if there are no good reasons to spay/neuter a dog then it should not be done. They are not against it completely.
Originally Posted by GibsonGirl:
“The poster seems to think that he/she knows everything since they did a course or two in animal management.
The American Veterinary Medical Association is actually against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs. However, they do advocate a case by case policy, whereby if there are no good reasons to spay/neuter a dog then it should not be done. They are not against it completely.”
“The poster seems to think that he/she knows everything since they did a course or two in animal management.
The American Veterinary Medical Association is actually against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs. However, they do advocate a case by case policy, whereby if there are no good reasons to spay/neuter a dog then it should not be done. They are not against it completely.”
Well I think bazaar knows a lot more than some people in this and other threads.
Originally Posted by GibsonGirl:
“The poster seems to think that he/she knows everything since they did a course or two in animal management.
The American Veterinary Medical Association is actually against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs. However, they do advocate a case by case policy, whereby if there are no good reasons to spay/neuter a dog then it should not be done. They are not against it completely.”
“The poster seems to think that he/she knows everything since they did a course or two in animal management.
The American Veterinary Medical Association is actually against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs. However, they do advocate a case by case policy, whereby if there are no good reasons to spay/neuter a dog then it should not be done. They are not against it completely.”
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Well I think bazaar knows a lot more than some people in this and other threads.”
“Well I think bazaar knows a lot more than some people in this and other threads.”
Thank you mollie. Gibson girl. I most certainly do not know everything, but I do know a damn site more than you, and I'm improving my knowledge by continuing to study and keeping up with the latest developments, not just googling a tv star. Providing me with an American recommendation is ridiculous, they also pay in shelters at a really young age. In the uk, it is recommended to neuter/spay at around 6 months (as long as things ave dropped, and as another poster said some breeds a bit later) unless there are behavioural reasons not to.
I feel you are trying to be snarky and snippy with me because you don't like being pulled up when you are wrong, so pleas feel free to add me to your ignore list, then me and my 'few courses in animal management' (It was behaviour btw
) won't offend you any more.
Originally Posted by Pull2Open:
“Sorry, very late to this debate!
Neutering is an option but not a magic remedy. I've seen a number of neutered dogs which has had absolutely no affect on their aggression at all!
The moral debate on neutering is not something I have experience in discussing!
This may have already been mentioned (I have no doubt its somewhere in the thread) but my primary advice would be to get the dog into a controlled environment with other dogs, an outside obedience class is ideal but don't just turn up, the instructor will need to be completely aware of the situation.
I apologise profusely if I am teaching granny to suck eggs or if I am repeating something already advised.”
“Sorry, very late to this debate!
Neutering is an option but not a magic remedy. I've seen a number of neutered dogs which has had absolutely no affect on their aggression at all!
The moral debate on neutering is not something I have experience in discussing!
This may have already been mentioned (I have no doubt its somewhere in the thread) but my primary advice would be to get the dog into a controlled environment with other dogs, an outside obedience class is ideal but don't just turn up, the instructor will need to be completely aware of the situation.
I apologise profusely if I am teaching granny to suck eggs or if I am repeating something already advised.”
Sorry pto, missed your post. I was referring to neutering as a routine type thing, at around 6 months, not as a behavioural fix (although in some cases it can help)
Originally Posted by bazaar1:
“Thank you mollie. Gibson girl. I most certainly do not know everything, but I do know a damn site more than you, and I'm improving my knowledge by continuing to study and keeping up with the latest developments, not just googling a tv star. Providing me with an American recommendation is ridiculous, they also pay in shelters at a really young age. In the uk, it is recommended to neuter/spay at around 6 months (as long as things ave dropped, and as another poster said some breeds a bit later) unless there are behavioural reasons not to.
I feel you are trying to be snarky and snippy with me because you don't like being pulled up when you are wrong, so pleas feel free to add me to your ignore list, then me and my 'few courses in animal management' (It was behaviour btw) won't offend you any more.”
“Thank you mollie. Gibson girl. I most certainly do not know everything, but I do know a damn site more than you, and I'm improving my knowledge by continuing to study and keeping up with the latest developments, not just googling a tv star. Providing me with an American recommendation is ridiculous, they also pay in shelters at a really young age. In the uk, it is recommended to neuter/spay at around 6 months (as long as things ave dropped, and as another poster said some breeds a bit later) unless there are behavioural reasons not to.
I feel you are trying to be snarky and snippy with me because you don't like being pulled up when you are wrong, so pleas feel free to add me to your ignore list, then me and my 'few courses in animal management' (It was behaviour btw
) won't offend you any more.”
Here you again with your I've been to university (or whatever), so am therefore smarter than anybody else attitude! What an arrogant piece of work you are! You clearly haven't bothered to research the AVMA. They certainly do NOT recommend spaying/neutering at such an early age. Or is it that just because some shelters do you automatically assume that all American shelters, veterinary associations, and charities do as well? What an incredibly naive thing to do and you think of yourself as being enlightened! And research that has been conducted in America has never ever been applicable here?
You continually dismiss all the links I provide in favour of what you believe to be true. Do you care to get in touch with all the vets, scientists, PhDs, scholars, etc that compiled all the information where I get my facts from and tell them that you are higher and mightier than them? That they shouldn't have bothered with their years of intensive research?I have issues with you because you are a pompous little know it all!
I also notice you never bothered to reply to that poster who asked what medical/veterinary experience you have.
You know you are not the only one not to have been to university, but oddly still the only one with a problem with people who have been and still the only one disagreeing with what the person who has been to university is saying. Seems a common theme here. You may just be wrong.
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“You know you are not the only one not to have been to university, but oddly still the only one with a problem with people who have been and still the only one disagreeing with what the person who has been to university is saying. Seems a common theme here. You may just be wrong.”
“You know you are not the only one not to have been to university, but oddly still the only one with a problem with people who have been and still the only one disagreeing with what the person who has been to university is saying. Seems a common theme here. You may just be wrong.”
Tbh mollie, I don't think I have ever seen such a chip on a shoulder as the one I am witnessing here!
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“You know you are not the only one not to have been to university, but oddly still the only one with a problem with people who have been and still the only one disagreeing with what the person who has been to university is saying. Seems a common theme here. You may just be wrong.”
“You know you are not the only one not to have been to university, but oddly still the only one with a problem with people who have been and still the only one disagreeing with what the person who has been to university is saying. Seems a common theme here. You may just be wrong.”
Originally Posted by Pull2Open:
“Tbh mollie, I don't think I have ever seen such a chip on a shoulder as the one I am witnessing here!”
“Tbh mollie, I don't think I have ever seen such a chip on a shoulder as the one I am witnessing here!”
Thanks guys. No idea why I seem to upset her so much, I presume simply because I disagree with her! Fwiw I value the opinions of lots of posters on this forum, qualifications are irrelevant, as is proved by my many advice threads about the pup and my problem cats, it's almost guaranteed someone on the forum will have experienced similar issues as some point!
Gg- I didn't ignore the previous poster, I didn't see it. Would you like me to list my qualifications, grades and accreditations for you? How about my daily toiletting routine? I some how presume you'll dispute them too.
I posted about danny about a year ago because we were looking after him while our friend was away and wanted some advice can't actually remember why I posted now lol. Anyway it seems it is just males he is hostile to. The other day we were at the river and he ran off to frolic with a beautiful labrador.
It scares me he will get in a fight and get hurt or hurt another dog. I've settled for a muzzle so I hope I don't incur more wrath but at least this way he won't hurt another dog.
It scares me he will get in a fight and get hurt or hurt another dog. I've settled for a muzzle so I hope I don't incur more wrath but at least this way he won't hurt another dog.
Originally Posted by PencilBreath:
“I posted about danny about a year ago because we were looking after him while our friend was away and wanted some advice can't actually remember why I posted now lol. Anyway it seems it is just males he is hostile to. The other day we were at the river and he ran off to frolic with a beautiful labrador.
It scares me he will get in a fight and get hurt or hurt another dog. I've settled for a muzzle so I hope I don't incur more wrath but at least this way he won't hurt another dog.”
“I posted about danny about a year ago because we were looking after him while our friend was away and wanted some advice can't actually remember why I posted now lol. Anyway it seems it is just males he is hostile to. The other day we were at the river and he ran off to frolic with a beautiful labrador.
It scares me he will get in a fight and get hurt or hurt another dog. I've settled for a muzzle so I hope I don't incur more wrath but at least this way he won't hurt another dog.”
Excellent, much as we don't like to see muzzles, they are the best thing in this situation.
Out of interest is he hostile on and off lead? It maybe worth getting a yellow ribbon for the lead, the project is growing more popular, it tells others with dogs to stay away,
Originally Posted by CherylFan:
“Does anyone have experience of using Haltis as means of stopping this?”
“Does anyone have experience of using Haltis as means of stopping this?”
It worked really well on our old Benny dog as I was able to turn him to me and he could then see I had a treat and would sit nicely as long as the other dog left us alone. Didn't work so well with Duncan as he would redirect his aggression to either me or our other dog.
So really you need to try one to see if it works on your own dog.
What size do you need ?
Originally Posted by JJ75:
“Where did my reply to gibson girl go on this thread? Its not here anymore
”
“Where did my reply to gibson girl go on this thread? Its not here anymore
”
??? Didn't see one?
Originally Posted by CherylFan:
“Does anyone have experience of using Haltis as means of stopping this?”
“Does anyone have experience of using Haltis as means of stopping this?”
Depends what you mean, a halti is a training aid really but can be used to control the dog a little better than a collar in a diversionary type manner (as per mollies post), however they will not stop a dog going in for an aggressive encounter or stop a bite, they are not muzzles. What they do is give you a little more control when lead walking.
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