TalkTalk YouView Homeplugs

ashjf · 29-06-2013, 12:59

Anyone else have problems with these?
Mine won't connect anything, the lights are on, shows connection but nothing works with them!

David Waine · 29-06-2013, 13:49

Sounds like they are faulty. I use Devolo home plugs that I bought myself a couple of years ago, knowing that YouView was on the way and I would need them. They work just fine. I have an old back-up PC in the spare room that runs off them as well, and it is fine. To the best of my knowledge, TalkTalk use Devolo for their home plugs, so I would give them a ring.

VisionMan1 · 29-06-2013, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashjf

Anyone else have problems with these?
Mine won't connect anything, the lights are on, shows connection but nothing works with them!

Or another possibility - do you have them connected to the same electrical ring in your home?

Thundrago · 29-06-2013, 16:00

About 3 weeks ago I had Youview installed with my existing Talk Talk connection & paid for the homeplugs from them (something goes wrong their problem). The ones they installed are D-Link DHP-P326AV and are Talk Talk stickered.

David Waine · 29-06-2013, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Or another possibility - do you have them connected to the same electrical ring in your home?

It should make no difference. My router is close to the master phone socket downstairs, but the upstairs PC (connected by home plugs) accesses the net perfectly well.

Winston_1 · 05-07-2013, 13:02

You should not be using homeplugs anyway. They cause serious interference to your neighbours. Do it properly with CAT 5 cabling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/whitepaper195

Nigel Goodwin · 05-07-2013, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

You should not be using homeplugs anyway. They cause serious interference to your neighbours. Do it properly with CAT 5 cabling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/whitepaper195

What a surprise - yet another entirely misleading post.

You could at least post accurate information if you really feel the need to attack the slightest mention of perfectly legal Homeplugs.

Winston_1 · 05-07-2013, 21:54

What is misleading about that post?
Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference.
Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal.
Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself?

finbaar · 05-07-2013, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

What is misleading about that post?
Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference.
Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal.
Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself?

Stop embarrassing yourself. Homeplugs are perfectly legal. Who in 2013 is going to run meters of cable? That is so like 20th century. And I am not even joking.

David Waine · 06-07-2013, 05:49

Well, I must admit that I have been using Homeplugs for a couple of years now and none of my neighbours has ever mentioned suffering from interference. If, as you say, the mains wiring causes the interference, don't we all have that?

Nigel Goodwin · 06-07-2013, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

What is misleading about that post?
Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference.
Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal.
Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself?

The BBC white paper DOESN'T say what you incorrectly post every time someone mentions homeplugs - you claim they cause serious interference in every case.

In reality, they 'may' cause interference in a small number of cases under certain circumstances - a totally different scenario to what you keep posting.

There's also nothing 'illegal' about buying perfectly legal items and using them correctly.

Winston_1 · 06-07-2013, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

The BBC white paper DOESN'T say what you incorrectly post every time someone mentions homeplugs - you claim they cause serious interference in every case.

In reality, they 'may' cause interference in a small number of cases under certain circumstances - a totally different scenario to what you keep posting.

There's also nothing 'illegal' about buying perfectly legal items and using them correctly.

Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there.

I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended.

Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies?

Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years.

Nigel Goodwin · 06-07-2013, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there.

I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended.

Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies?

Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years.

Why can't you get the fact you're entirely wrong?, the white paper says nothing like you keep claiming, and the fact remains that Homeplugs cause very little interference.

Almost everything electrical/electronic generates 'interference' - it's simply a matter of the amount and type, and for use in the UK units have to meet specific strict regulations. If they meet these regulations (as most Homeplugs do) then they are perfectly legal to use. Incidentally, CE approval also covers the immunity to interference as well, it's quite possible that in some of the few cases of interference it's the unit receiving the interference at fault.

Presumably there are millions of Homeplugs in use in the UK?, yet it's almost unknown to hear of interference from them - yet according to you every single one is wiping out all their neighbours.

Manufacturers obviously notch out certain frequencies because those are the ones that might be more prone to cause interference, and as far as I'm aware the UK regulations for them require those frequencies to be notched?.

Winston_1 · 06-07-2013, 22:46

There is plenty of evidence of the interference caused, the white paper is just one more.

As you say other electrical/electronic can generate interference and most important it has to be suppressed. Homeplugs cannot be suppressed because they would not work if they were.

Receivers can be be overloaded and appear to have interference on other frequencies but the fact remains Homeplugs transmit on frequencies which have not been allocated to them and are in use by other users.

Most Homeplugs do not in fact meet the regulations. The CE mark is a farce, it is a self certifying scheme so is open to abuse.

There have been several hundred cases where Homeplugs have had to be removed for interference issues, and these are only the tip of the iceberg where people have realised where the interference is from and have complained.

Manufacturers notch out certain sensitive frequencies because they know their equipment causes interference. There are no UK regulations requiring them to.

shug15 · 06-07-2013, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

What is misleading about that post?
Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference.
Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal.
Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself?

What a load of scaremongering nonsense!

finbaar · 07-07-2013, 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there.

I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended.

Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies?

Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years.

Stop trolling. You are wrong and are deliberately scaremongering.

johnwh · 07-07-2013, 09:46

Homeplugs ( powerline ) adapters can be troublesome. I had trouble because I have 2 distribution boards ( fuse boards ), the plugs would not work properly if one plug was on one board's circuits and the other plug on the other board, as soon as I put them both on one board they worked fine. The answer is that they may work ok, on the other hand they may not, it is not 100 o/o certain.

Winston_1 · 07-07-2013, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by finbaar

Stop trolling. You are wrong and are deliberately scaremongering.

I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look.

shug15 · 08-07-2013, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look.

There's plenty of evidence on the net for flying saucers.

VisionMan1 · 08-07-2013, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shug15

There's plenty of evidence on the net for flying saucers.

Now I bet they could cause interference.

29-06-2013, 12:59	#1
ashjf Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South East Posts: 909	TalkTalk YouView Homeplugs Anyone else have problems with these? Mine won't connect anything, the lights are on, shows connection but nothing works with them!

29-06-2013, 13:49	#2
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Sounds like they are faulty. I use Devolo home plugs that I bought myself a couple of years ago, knowing that YouView was on the way and I would need them. They work just fine. I have an old back-up PC in the spare room that runs off them as well, and it is fine. To the best of my knowledge, TalkTalk use Devolo for their home plugs, so I would give them a ring.

29-06-2013, 14:29	#3
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by ashjf Anyone else have problems with these? Mine won't connect anything, the lights are on, shows connection but nothing works with them! Or another possibility - do you have them connected to the same electrical ring in your home?

29-06-2013, 16:00	#4
Thundrago Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22	About 3 weeks ago I had Youview installed with my existing Talk Talk connection & paid for the homeplugs from them (something goes wrong their problem). The ones they installed are D-Link DHP-P326AV and are Talk Talk stickered.

29-06-2013, 17:04	#5
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Quote: Originally Posted by VisionMan1 Or another possibility - do you have them connected to the same electrical ring in your home? It should make no difference. My router is close to the master phone socket downstairs, but the upstairs PC (connected by home plugs) accesses the net perfectly well.

05-07-2013, 13:02	#6
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	You should not be using homeplugs anyway. They cause serious interference to your neighbours. Do it properly with CAT 5 cabling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/whitepaper195

05-07-2013, 13:20	#7
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 You should not be using homeplugs anyway. They cause serious interference to your neighbours. Do it properly with CAT 5 cabling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/whitepaper195 What a surprise - yet another entirely misleading post. You could at least post accurate information if you really feel the need to attack the slightest mention of perfectly legal Homeplugs.

05-07-2013, 21:54	#8
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	What is misleading about that post? Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference. Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal. Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself?

05-07-2013, 23:15	#9
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 What is misleading about that post? Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference. Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal. Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself? Stop embarrassing yourself. Homeplugs are perfectly legal. Who in 2013 is going to run meters of cable? That is so like 20th century. And I am not even joking.

06-07-2013, 05:49	#10
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Well, I must admit that I have been using Homeplugs for a couple of years now and none of my neighbours has ever mentioned suffering from interference. If, as you say, the mains wiring causes the interference, don't we all have that?

06-07-2013, 09:23	#11
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 What is misleading about that post? Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference. Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal. Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself? The BBC white paper DOESN'T say what you incorrectly post every time someone mentions homeplugs - you claim they cause serious interference in every case. In reality, they 'may' cause interference in a small number of cases under certain circumstances - a totally different scenario to what you keep posting. There's also nothing 'illegal' about buying perfectly legal items and using them correctly.

06-07-2013, 10:17	#12
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin The BBC white paper DOESN'T say what you incorrectly post every time someone mentions homeplugs - you claim they cause serious interference in every case. In reality, they 'may' cause interference in a small number of cases under certain circumstances - a totally different scenario to what you keep posting. There's also nothing 'illegal' about buying perfectly legal items and using them correctly. Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there. I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended. Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies? Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years.

06-07-2013, 13:44	#13
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there. I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended. Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies? Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years. Why can't you get the fact you're entirely wrong?, the white paper says nothing like you keep claiming, and the fact remains that Homeplugs cause very little interference. Almost everything electrical/electronic generates 'interference' - it's simply a matter of the amount and type, and for use in the UK units have to meet specific strict regulations. If they meet these regulations (as most Homeplugs do) then they are perfectly legal to use. Incidentally, CE approval also covers the immunity to interference as well, it's quite possible that in some of the few cases of interference it's the unit receiving the interference at fault. Presumably there are millions of Homeplugs in use in the UK?, yet it's almost unknown to hear of interference from them - yet according to you every single one is wiping out all their neighbours. Manufacturers obviously notch out certain frequencies because those are the ones that might be more prone to cause interference, and as far as I'm aware the UK regulations for them require those frequencies to be notched?.

06-07-2013, 22:46	#14
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	There is plenty of evidence of the interference caused, the white paper is just one more. As you say other electrical/electronic can generate interference and most important it has to be suppressed. Homeplugs cannot be suppressed because they would not work if they were. Receivers can be be overloaded and appear to have interference on other frequencies but the fact remains Homeplugs transmit on frequencies which have not been allocated to them and are in use by other users. Most Homeplugs do not in fact meet the regulations. The CE mark is a farce, it is a self certifying scheme so is open to abuse. There have been several hundred cases where Homeplugs have had to be removed for interference issues, and these are only the tip of the iceberg where people have realised where the interference is from and have complained. Manufacturers notch out certain sensitive frequencies because they know their equipment causes interference. There are no UK regulations requiring them to.

06-07-2013, 23:01	#15
shug15 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 201	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 What is misleading about that post? Fact. Homeplugs, or at least the mains wiring they are connected to, do cause interference. Homeplugs are perfectly legal to buy and sell. Causing interference, which is what they do when used as intended, is not legal. Do you not accept the BBC white paper? Have you done any tests yourself? What a load of scaremongering nonsense!

07-07-2013, 08:46	#16
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 Homeplugs WILL create interference in every case. When the wanted signal is strong it will overcome and mask the interference which is what the white paper found. That does not mean it is not there. I have never said they are illegal to buy. I said that causing interference is illegal, and that is what homeplugs do when used as intended. Even the manufacturers know this, otherwise why would they notch out certain frequencies? Why can't you get this? You have been in the trade years. Stop trolling. You are wrong and are deliberately scaremongering.

07-07-2013, 09:46	#17
johnwh Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 301	Homeplugs ( powerline ) adapters can be troublesome. I had trouble because I have 2 distribution boards ( fuse boards ), the plugs would not work properly if one plug was on one board's circuits and the other plug on the other board, as soon as I put them both on one board they worked fine. The answer is that they may work ok, on the other hand they may not, it is not 100 o/o certain.

07-07-2013, 14:12	#18
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by finbaar Stop trolling. You are wrong and are deliberately scaremongering. I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look.

08-07-2013, 13:41	#19
shug15 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 201	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look. There's plenty of evidence on the net for flying saucers.

08-07-2013, 14:26	#20
VisionMan1 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,107	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 I am not wrong. There is plenty of evidence on the net and elsewhere if you would care to look. Quote: Originally Posted by shug15 There's plenty of evidence on the net for flying saucers. Now I bet they could cause interference.

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