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Old 29-06-2013, 23:53
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seems like every single bad person gets away with anthing i mean we have like 4 murdereres living in hollyoaks village and that silas who is living a happy life god knows where, becoming so predictable and we all know will will never be found out as well.
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Old 29-06-2013, 23:58
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I was hoping that Will would be found out, and end up dying violently, in the next Later episodes. But the producers have let me down, damn it lol.
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Old 29-06-2013, 23:59
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I'm confident that Will will be found out in the autumn time, they are clearly leading up to it. Ash, Leanne, Doug, Dodger etc. Brendan, Warren, Walker have payed for their murders and I'm sure most other villains in the past have
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Old 29-06-2013, 23:59
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I was hoping that Will would be found out, and end up dying violently, in the next Later episodes. But the producers have let me down, damn it lol.
when are the next hollyoaks later episodes? and have producers said he will get away with it forever?
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Old 30-06-2013, 00:16
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I was hoping that Will would be found out, and end up dying violently, in the next Later episodes. But the producers have let me down, damn it lol.
Same, it would have been so good to see him die violently in Later it seems that this year Later going to be quite dull.
I hope Will eventually found out and punished, preferably death so he can never return.
Teresa, Mercedes and Dr B need to be punished for their crimes, however I don't see the Mcqueen girls getting punished
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Old 30-06-2013, 00:24
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seems like every single bad person gets away with anthing i mean we have like 4 murdereres living in hollyoaks village and that silas who is living a happy life god knows where, becoming so predictable and we all know will will never be found out as well.
what I find so funny about Silas still roaming free is that towards the end of his original stint he was told in hospital that he was dying so i actually expected him to die onscreen at some stage but the writers obviously forget that when they brought him back

BTW: I dont want him to die I just thought id remind everyone
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Old 30-06-2013, 08:54
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Danny Houston was murdered, as was Seamus and Walker.

Warren was sent to jail.
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Old 30-06-2013, 09:43
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Yes they do. For example Brendan is in jail now.
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Old 30-06-2013, 10:09
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Yes they do. For example Brendan is in jail now.
Right. But if Brendan hadn't of left the show, he'd still be walking free.

I think HO these days does have a feeling of popular villains are allowed to get away - literally - with murder, just so the show can benefit from their popularity.

There's two ways for characters to pay for their crimes: physical prison or emotional prison. Sometimes, one is more suited to certain crimes and how the character(s) behave. Dr. Browning, Theresa and Will have all murdered someone, while Mercedes committed some terrible acts that should have seen them all go to jail. How likely are any of them to pay for their crimes?

Patrick and Sienna are stepping up their villainous activities, and while I don't think they should inevitably go to jail, I do think they'll both need to pay emotionally at some point.

Oh, and then's there's Robbie committing that armed robbery, who has yet to suffer, and now we have drug dealer Trevor lurking about.

On the flip side, Anna, who is mentally ill due to her abuse at the hands of Patrick, is taking the fall for Texas' murder, so she can protect her callous, remorseless, murdering son, Will. Lovely.
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Old 30-06-2013, 10:21
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Right. But if Brendan hadn't of left the show, he'd still be walking free.

I think HO these days does have a feeling of popular villains are allowed to get away - literally - with murder, just so the show can benefit from their popularity.

There's two ways for characters to pay for their crimes: physical prison or emotional prison. Sometimes, one is more suited to certain crimes and how the character(s) behave. Dr. Browning, Theresa and Will have all murdered someone, while Mercedes committed some terrible acts that should have seen them all go to jail. How likely are any of them to pay for their crimes?

Patrick and Sienna are stepping up their villainous activities, and while I don't think they should inevitably go to jail, I do think they'll both need to pay emotionally at some point.

Oh, and then's there's Robbie committing that armed robbery, who has yet to suffer, and now we have drug dealer Trevor lurking about.

On the flip side, Anna, who is mentally ill due to her abuse at the hands of Patrick, is taking the fall for Texas' murder, so she can protect her callous, remorseless, murdering son, Will. Lovely.
Yeah but how else was it going to happen if he didn't leave? Same thing happens in every soap.

Does it really matter though? Does anyone seriously think that impacts on the audiences' sense of morality at all? I don't think anyone is going to throw any brides out of a window or commit armed robbery because two Hollyoaks characters have got away with it. It just seems to me that it's a rather crude understanding of how tv impacts people to think that fictional characters getting away with crimes influences the audience. If it isn't that that bothers you then I don't know what the big deal is. It's fictional but it's based on fact. Sometimes people do get away with it.
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Old 30-06-2013, 10:50
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Does it really matter though? Does anyone seriously think that impacts on the audiences' sense of morality at all? I don't think anyone is going to throw any brides out of a window or commit armed robbery because two Hollyoaks characters have got away with it. It just seems to me that it's a rather crude understanding of how tv impacts people to think that fictional characters getting away with crimes influences the audience. If it isn't that that bothers you then I don't know what the big deal is. It's fictional but it's based on fact. Sometimes people do get away with it.
Obviously, I don't mean literally. That would be stupid. But it would equally be blasé to dismiss TV shows has having zero impact on people, especially on an impressionable audience. You have to have balance. It's not about the actual crime, but the underlining message. It's this same reasoning why some people used to copy the Jackass stunts, or why violent video games have been known to influence some adolescents. It's the repeated consistency.

It would be different if they had these characters express and show remorse, to feel guilt, etc, to balance it all out.
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Old 30-06-2013, 11:54
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Obviously, I don't mean literally. That would be stupid. But it would equally be blasé to dismiss TV shows has having zero impact on people, especially on an impressionable audience. You have to have balance. It's not about the actual crime, but the underlining message. It's this same reasoning why some people used to copy the Jackass stunts, or why violent video games have been known to influence some adolescents. It's the repeated consistency.

It would be different if they had these characters express and show remorse, to feel guilt, etc, to balance it all out.
There's never been any suffient evidence that violent television influences anyone into being violence. I had to study this early this year and it's not at all true. I think it's too extreme. Of course people who are otherwise mentally unstable might take something from it but to blame tv is reductionist to serious mental problems. I haven't seen any proof or disproof about video games so I can't comment on that but I suspect that's widely exaggerated.

As for feeling guilt about their crimes, well I think this has been shown. I recall Theresa being a mess with guilt when she first killed Calvin. With Will, we have seen hints of it since as well. Browning is starting to feel bad about Lynsey at last too. I think all these characters and more have shown a great deal of regret.

I do believe certain things shown on television, such as the jackass stuff you cite would be influential. I'm also a strong believer that suicide of sympathetic characters should not be shown on television because there are documented cases showing the influence but like I said the violence/crime one isn't well proven.

When I studied violence and crime earlier this year, I found that most of the worst atrocities in life occur through obedience rather than deviance. (Doesn't really apply to this conversation but an interesting observation nontheless).
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Old 30-06-2013, 13:31
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I'm hoping with will we get a massive pay off, like Maddie's death! They built up viewer hatred for months and months, then we all expected her to die, she seemed to escape then ultimately met one of probably the top 5 deaths in the shows history through shock at it being slightly delayed from the main accident/joy she was gone/visual effect. I hope Wills comeuppance comes to those standards, the issue is, with those involved in the storyline, when he is eventually found out, will anyone really care, its only Anna whose paying for it now? I fear a poor reaction to the truth, similar to Lynsey taking about 4 minutes to forgive all those who thought she was crazy and then everyone went about their business normally. Hollyoaks isn't great with aftermath to be honest, I still want everyone to know Maddie left Neil and someone to tell her mum what an utter bitch she raised but I doubt it's ever gonna happen now
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Old 30-06-2013, 15:35
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It would be different if they had these characters express and show remorse, to feel guilt, etc, to balance it all out.

Brendan felt guilty after killing Danny (who he only killed to protect Ste). In fact any deaths Brendan's been involved in have been to protect the people he loves because no-one ever protected him.

Who's the person who is suffering in prison ... Brendan. Who's the person who suffered at the hands of his father for years, even up to the last minute Brendan was still afraid of Seamus.

And yet Cheryl who herself is now a murderer rides off into the sunset forgetting she has a brother (who has given up everything for her, when he'd only just realised what it felt like to feel happiness) singing C'est La Vie.
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Old 30-06-2013, 15:49
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I don't normally follow Hollyoaks but the Browning/Lindsey storyline interested me. I was actually a bit sorry for Browning when he told Mercedes what he had done. From the flashbacks it was clear that it was a crime of passion done in the heat of the moment and he did seem shaken up at the time. What Mercedes did to Mitzee was much worse - stalking Mitzee and then stabbing herself and framing her for it. That was far more calculating and nasty. Under normal circumstances a person should either stop this happening or hand themselves in at once but in soaps that wouldn't make a good storyline - if I remember rightly Browning did spend some time in prison before lying his way out of the situation. In this instance though I'm not sure what will happen because I heard that a person cannot be tried twice for the same crime (though it is different if they confess I suppose?).
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Old 30-06-2013, 15:53
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what I find so funny about Silas still roaming free is that towards the end of his original stint he was told in hospital that he was dying so i actually expected him to die onscreen at some stage but the writers obviously forget that when they brought him back

BTW: I dont want him to die I just thought id remind everyone
I suppose they could have had him die when he held Texas hostage and that would have been a way for her to escape. But I'm glad they didn't, that would have been too easy to write. His promise to come back for her was very chilling and very surprising too, I don't think anyone expected him to just leave her!
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Old 30-06-2013, 17:04
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seems like every single bad person gets away with anthing i mean we have like 4 murdereres living in hollyoaks village and that silas who is living a happy life god knows where, becoming so predictable and we all know will will never be found out as well.
I can only think of 3 Tereasa, Dr B, Will
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Old 30-06-2013, 17:23
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I think that they invariably are punished but only when the actor chooses to leave the Soap, and that is the same with every series. Rob Hawthorne ended up dying at his own hands whilst trying to kill others, same with Sam Owen. Niall killed himself as did Toby Mills. Andy died horribly in one of the late night specials, more recently Seamus and Walker both perished and Warren and Brendan are both in prison. Of the villains that have actually left the show properly, I can only think of Silas that has really got away with it. Yes, we have several killers and villains in the show now (as we have had at nearly every point in the show's history and other shows have had like Carl King, Barry Grant, Chrissie Watts, even Phil Mitchell) but I suspect that they will all get some kind of karmic end when their time comes to leave the show.
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Old 30-06-2013, 18:39
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I actually love the fact Hollyoaks have let some of their villains and murderers get away with their crimes for so long. It's so typical of most soaps to kill off characters who have murdered another character and it gets so repetitive. The second that Karl set fire to the pub in Corrie, it was obvious he'd get found out and leave by the end of the year. Hollyoaks though, you never know what's going to happen or if they'll get found out.
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Old 30-06-2013, 19:02
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I suppose they could have had him die when he held Texas hostage and that would have been a way for her to escape. But I'm glad they didn't, that would have been too easy to write. His promise to come back for her was very chilling and very surprising too, I don't think anyone expected him to just leave her!
but with both Lynsey and Texas dead he has no reason to ever to come back unless he wanted to come back to haunt Browning and Will for stealing his masterpieces that would be fine
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Old 30-06-2013, 20:05
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seems like every single bad person gets away with anthing i mean we have like 4 murdereres living in hollyoaks village and that silas who is living a happy life god knows where, becoming so predictable and we all know will will never be found out as well.
Well it is an unrealistic ,overdramatic soap at the end of the day that noone really cares about these days
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Old 01-07-2013, 00:40
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In this instance though I'm not sure what will happen because I heard that a person cannot be tried twice for the same crime (though it is different if they confess I suppose?).
There is not a full double jeopardy law in the UK, in some types of crime ( murder, rape ect) a retrial can take place of some one who has already been acquitted if agreed by the high court.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:06
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Double Jeapordy trilals are incredibaly rare though, I think it is generally only cold cases where new evidence due to forensics advances has been found - that wouldn't be the case with Browning. However, the whole way he got off and Mercedes' trial was farcical anyway.

I think when his time comes it is more likely that Browning will be killed or he'll go to Prison for a crime he hasn't actually committed. Soaps like the karmic irony of that.

I do agree with whoever said that it is nice that you don't know whether someone committing a serious crime sounds the death knell for someone in Hollyoaks unlike say Corrie where any killer descends into near panto villlainy for about a year before dying themselves.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:16
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Yes bad do suffer in Hollyoaks, even if it takes some time to get there!

Wasn't there a rapist who attacked the twins a few years ago and in the Laters ended up impaled on a spike and was left to bleed to death??
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:28
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There is not a full double jeopardy law in the UK, in some types of crime ( murder, rape ect) a retrial can take place of some one who has already been acquitted if agreed by the high court.
Okay - thanks. I wasn't sure.

At least he won't get first degree murder charge since he didn't plan it and did it in the heat of the moment.
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