I agree with Filiman's sentiments. That's why I'm not shocked Stacey is ahead of Peggy in the poll. Obviously there are quite a few old timers on here who watched EastEnders in decades past, but we're far outnumbered by those who have only watched since the Stacey and Ronnie days. It's easy to tell from the constant posts about Santer's era being the best ever, Max Branning being a legend, the Danielle storyline being the best ever and so on. I'm not knocking anyone's opinion. Just stating that I have more to compare its best and worst to than ''EE 2.0'' viewers have. No disresepct intended.
Results:Multi vote
Peggy
18 (20.00%)
Pat
61 (67.78%)
Zainab
8 (8.89%)
Stacey
45 (50.00%)
Tanya
13 (14.44%)
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EastEnders-The Exits Of Iconic/Popular Women
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I'm an old timer so don't rate Stacey's higher than Peggys for that reason.
Even though I couldn't stand Stacey for her last few months, I do think that her exit was handled better and more memorably than Peggy's. As I understand it, the poll was for the exit, rather than the how iconic the character was during their tenure. I found Peggy's exit really disappointing, partly because the fire had been hyped so much and I think that she should have gone down with her ship - that would have been memorable and iconic. I don't think that people always have to be killed off (I hated Pauline's exit) but Peggy left with a whimper rather than a bang - I just didn't buy her reasoning at all.
Even though I couldn't stand Stacey for her last few months, I do think that her exit was handled better and more memorably than Peggy's. As I understand it, the poll was for the exit, rather than the how iconic the character was during their tenure. I found Peggy's exit really disappointing, partly because the fire had been hyped so much and I think that she should have gone down with her ship - that would have been memorable and iconic. I don't think that people always have to be killed off (I hated Pauline's exit) but Peggy left with a whimper rather than a bang - I just didn't buy her reasoning at all.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I'm an old timer so don't rate Stacey's higher than Peggys for that reason.
Even though I couldn't stand Stacey for her last few months, I do think that her exit was handled better and more memorably than Peggy's. As I understand it, the poll was for the exit, rather than the how iconic the character was during their tenure. I found Peggy's exit really disappointing, partly because the fire had been hyped so much and I think that she should have gone down with her ship - that would have been memorable and iconic. I don't think that people always have to be killed off (I hated Pauline's exit) but Peggy left with a whimper rather than a bang - I just didn't buy her reasoning at all.”
“I'm an old timer so don't rate Stacey's higher than Peggys for that reason.
Even though I couldn't stand Stacey for her last few months, I do think that her exit was handled better and more memorably than Peggy's. As I understand it, the poll was for the exit, rather than the how iconic the character was during their tenure. I found Peggy's exit really disappointing, partly because the fire had been hyped so much and I think that she should have gone down with her ship - that would have been memorable and iconic. I don't think that people always have to be killed off (I hated Pauline's exit) but Peggy left with a whimper rather than a bang - I just didn't buy her reasoning at all.”
That's fair enough - there definately seemed to be a bit more of a "lead-up" and an actual sense of an "exit", rather than at the end of an episode a character deciding "time to leave" and go.
That worked ONCE - back in the early 90s for Many Salter's exit, when she just decided that she'd had enough from the people on the square, hailed down a passing truck, and left. It was one of EE best ever exits.
IMO - EE don't do exists anymore - TPTB dont invest in exits because the character is leaving and is no further use than them. EE producers cannot see beyond the next few episodes anymore.
I think as well as the scriptwriters not investing in exits due them not caring what happens beyond the following couple of episodes there's also the small matter of practically all of the major EastEnders characters who have left alive have ended up returning. It's probably not in the writers best interests to write a character into a wall upon their exit since they'll likely come back. Though that didn't stop them with Ronnie...
Originally Posted by Filiman:
“That's fair enough - there definately seemed to be a bit more of a "lead-up" and an actual sense of an "exit", rather than at the end of an episode a character deciding "time to leave" and go.
That worked ONCE - back in the early 90s for Many Salter's exit, when she just decided that she'd had enough from the people on the square, hailed down a passing truck, and left. It was one of EE best ever exits.
IMO - EE don't do exists anymore - TPTB dont invest in exits because the character is leaving and is no further use than them. EE producers cannot see beyond the next few episodes anymore.”
“That's fair enough - there definately seemed to be a bit more of a "lead-up" and an actual sense of an "exit", rather than at the end of an episode a character deciding "time to leave" and go.
That worked ONCE - back in the early 90s for Many Salter's exit, when she just decided that she'd had enough from the people on the square, hailed down a passing truck, and left. It was one of EE best ever exits.
IMO - EE don't do exists anymore - TPTB dont invest in exits because the character is leaving and is no further use than them. EE producers cannot see beyond the next few episodes anymore.”
I do think that there is some truth in that - they care about temporary exits (Ian and Bianca's were by far the best written ones last year, save Pats) but as soon as an actor announces they are leaving for 'good' it is almost as though TPTB feel that the actor has let them down so can't be bothered anymore. They either just kill them off or destroy everything that made the character themselves in the last few weeks (Zainab and Mas' marital breakdown, Peggy leaving her children and beloved pub) and sometimes both as with Wendy Richard. I don't think that they have changed Tanya's exit until from when it was only supposed to be a sabbatical.
Janine's was good last year as well and that was one that whilst derived to be temporary, wouldn't have felt out of place as being permanent.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“I think as well as the scriptwriters not investing in exits due them not caring what happens beyond the following couple of episodes there's also the small matter of practically all of the major EastEnders characters who have left alive have ended up returning. It's probably not in the writers best interests to write a character into a wall upon their exit since they'll likely come back. Though that didn't stop them with Ronnie...”
“I think as well as the scriptwriters not investing in exits due them not caring what happens beyond the following couple of episodes there's also the small matter of practically all of the major EastEnders characters who have left alive have ended up returning. It's probably not in the writers best interests to write a character into a wall upon their exit since they'll likely come back. Though that didn't stop them with Ronnie...”
Did they really write Ronnie into a wall? yes, there was no option except for her to leave via death or prison at that point after the baby swap, but if they were to say that she has finally received proper counselling or found 'inner peace' (much as I hate that term) in prison, then there are a lot of places to go with her when she comes back. She has moved on but others won't let her type thing.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I do think that there is some truth in that - they care about temporary exits (Ian and Bianca's were by far the best written ones last year, save Pats) but as soon as an actor announces they are leaving for 'good' it is almost as though TPTB feel that the actor has let them down so can't be bothered anymore. They either just kill them off or destroy everything that made the character themselves in the last few weeks (Zainab and Mas' marital breakdown, Peggy leaving her children and beloved pub) and sometimes both as with Wendy Richard. I don't think that they have changed Tanya's exit until from when it was only supposed to be a sabbatical.”
“I do think that there is some truth in that - they care about temporary exits (Ian and Bianca's were by far the best written ones last year, save Pats) but as soon as an actor announces they are leaving for 'good' it is almost as though TPTB feel that the actor has let them down so can't be bothered anymore. They either just kill them off or destroy everything that made the character themselves in the last few weeks (Zainab and Mas' marital breakdown, Peggy leaving her children and beloved pub) and sometimes both as with Wendy Richard. I don't think that they have changed Tanya's exit until from when it was only supposed to be a sabbatical.”
I agree with this. Even now I can imagine in 6 months Lauren saying she's all better, going to visit Tanya and convincing her to return to Walford because she's now strong enough to deal with anything life throws at her - including her feuding parents. I doubt they changed much when the exit became permanent. One of the many reasons it lacked impact and feels temporary.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Did they really write Ronnie into a wall? yes, there was no option except for her to leave via death or prison at that point after the baby swap, but if they were to say that she has finally received proper counselling or found 'inner peace' (much as I hate that term) in prison, then there are a lot of places to go with her when she comes back. She has moved on but others won't let her type thing.”
“Did they really write Ronnie into a wall? yes, there was no option except for her to leave via death or prison at that point after the baby swap, but if they were to say that she has finally received proper counselling or found 'inner peace' (much as I hate that term) in prison, then there are a lot of places to go with her when she comes back. She has moved on but others won't let her type thing.”
Ronnie was driven into a wall long before her exit in my opinion. With her being defined by her need to have a child and the writers need to have tragedy strike at every turn for her I don't see her going many places. She needs a lot of development because so far she's simply a tragedy figure. She's only back for 6 months so I can't see them bothering to give her development in that time. Her return is to ruffle feathers and probably aid a few exits. I have no faith in these writers.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“Ronnie was driven into a wall long before her exit in my opinion. With her being defined by her need to have a child and the writers need to have tragedy strike at every turn for her I don't see her going many places. She needs a lot of development because so far she's simply a tragedy figure. She's only back for 6 months so I can't see them bothering to give her development in that time. Her return is to ruffle feathers and probably aid a few exits. I have no faith in these writers.”
“Ronnie was driven into a wall long before her exit in my opinion. With her being defined by her need to have a child and the writers need to have tragedy strike at every turn for her I don't see her going many places. She needs a lot of development because so far she's simply a tragedy figure. She's only back for 6 months so I can't see them bothering to give her development in that time. Her return is to ruffle feathers and probably aid a few exits. I have no faith in these writers.”
I do agree she was written into a corner in her last 18 months in the show - having Danielle die she could probably have come back from but the rape reveal, miscarriage, cot death and then baby swap was too much. There was no choice for her at that time but I'm hopeful they might use the 2 years she has been away to have got her over a lot of that angst. You're probably right though and after what they have done to Kat, Bianca and Sharon, I don't trust them to write decently for any returnees any more. David only survived because it was a short, 2 week stint and they had so much old material to play with re his relationships with Pat, Carol and Derek.
I think with the list above it would go in this order for me
Pat
Peggy
Stacey
Tanya
Zainab
Pats exit was pretty moving and of course featured the comeback of David wicks (and Brief Scene with Simon)
It was good to have the family at her bed side and scenes with Friends such as Ian and Dot.
Peggy again...I thought was a nice little ending for her.
Just to leave and walk off into the sun set (so to speak)
Leaving the Vic and Phil to stand on his own two feet.
Stacey felt a bit like Kathy's exit with the view of London from the Plane.It was the right exit for the character
Tanya it was good that she included her kids and didn't just walk away leaving them. Something was missing at the end though
Zainabs wasn't too good. She would have never left her kids or split up with the man she loved for 30 years
Pat
Peggy
Stacey
Tanya
Zainab
Pats exit was pretty moving and of course featured the comeback of David wicks (and Brief Scene with Simon)
It was good to have the family at her bed side and scenes with Friends such as Ian and Dot.
Peggy again...I thought was a nice little ending for her.
Just to leave and walk off into the sun set (so to speak)
Leaving the Vic and Phil to stand on his own two feet.
Stacey felt a bit like Kathy's exit with the view of London from the Plane.It was the right exit for the character
Tanya it was good that she included her kids and didn't just walk away leaving them. Something was missing at the end though
Zainabs wasn't too good. She would have never left her kids or split up with the man she loved for 30 years
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I do agree she was written into a corner in her last 18 months in the show - having Danielle die she could probably have come back from but the rape reveal, miscarriage, cot death and then baby swap was too much. There was no choice for her at that time but I'm hopeful they might use the 2 years she has been away to have got her over a lot of that angst. You're probably right though and after what they have done to Kat, Bianca and Sharon, I don't trust them to write decently for any returnees any more. David only survived because it was a short, 2 week stint and they had so much old material to play with re his relationships with Pat, Carol and Derek.”
“I do agree she was written into a corner in her last 18 months in the show - having Danielle die she could probably have come back from but the rape reveal, miscarriage, cot death and then baby swap was too much. There was no choice for her at that time but I'm hopeful they might use the 2 years she has been away to have got her over a lot of that angst. You're probably right though and after what they have done to Kat, Bianca and Sharon, I don't trust them to write decently for any returnees any more. David only survived because it was a short, 2 week stint and they had so much old material to play with re his relationships with Pat, Carol and Derek.”
I agree with all of this but I think the one thing working against Ronnie being revitalised is the fact they didn't address her mental problems and sent her to prison rather than a psychiatric hospital. I could easily have seen her come back stronger having worked through her issues with the help of a psychiatrist. But she's spent 2 years in prison, and although she'll have been given professional help, she'll still have had to deal with prison life and it won't have been easy given what her crime was. No doubt she would come out of prison even more damaged but knowing EastEnders they'd gloss over that if they wanted Ronnie to be happy go lucky
I disagree that it was the right exit for Stacey - I really dislike that she got a 'heroine's exit as no matter what she felt the justification was, she killed a man in cold blood so as far as I'm concerned she should have gone to Prison. Having nearly all the Square conspire to aid her escape because Archie was a bad man makes me feel somewhat queasy to this day. However, it was dramatically good, interesting and memorable - more so than any of the others listed bar Pat.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Did they really write Ronnie into a wall? yes, there was no option except for her to leave via death or prison at that point after the baby swap, but if they were to say that she has finally received proper counselling or found 'inner peace' (much as I hate that term) in prison, then there are a lot of places to go with her when she comes back. She has moved on but others won't let her type thing.”
“Did they really write Ronnie into a wall? yes, there was no option except for her to leave via death or prison at that point after the baby swap, but if they were to say that she has finally received proper counselling or found 'inner peace' (much as I hate that term) in prison, then there are a lot of places to go with her when she comes back. She has moved on but others won't let her type thing.”
It is completely unrealistic for her to return though.... unless they pull something really cranking out of their arses, there is no way to get around the law. As a criminal convicted of an offence against a minor, it carries very stiff penalties, one of which is living in the same vicinity as the minor - regardless of what the parents of that minor may want. Den's return from death is more realistic than Ronnie's return. She has already destroyed what little credibility the show had with her ridiculous baby antics; now this! EE will nebver get back on form while she is around, mark my words.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I disagree that it was the right exit for Stacey - I really dislike that she got a 'heroine's exit as no matter what she felt the justification was, she killed a man in cold blood so as far as I'm concerned she should have gone to Prison. Having nearly all the Square conspire to aid her escape because Archie was a bad man makes me feel somewhat queasy to this day. However, it was dramatically good, interesting and memorable - more so than any of the others listed bar Pat.”
“I disagree that it was the right exit for Stacey - I really dislike that she got a 'heroine's exit as no matter what she felt the justification was, she killed a man in cold blood so as far as I'm concerned she should have gone to Prison. Having nearly all the Square conspire to aid her escape because Archie was a bad man makes me feel somewhat queasy to this day. However, it was dramatically good, interesting and memorable - more so than any of the others listed bar Pat.”
Agree 100% This also severely detroyed EE credibility; the show can no longer say it always show's wrongdoers gettting justice.
Dreadful dreadful decision; character, and exit.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I disagree that it was the right exit for Stacey - I really dislike that she got a 'heroine's exit as no matter what she felt the justification was, she killed a man in cold blood so as far as I'm concerned she should have gone to Prison. Having nearly all the Square conspire to aid her escape because Archie was a bad man makes me feel somewhat queasy to this day. However, it was dramatically good, interesting and memorable - more so than any of the others listed bar Pat.”
“I disagree that it was the right exit for Stacey - I really dislike that she got a 'heroine's exit as no matter what she felt the justification was, she killed a man in cold blood so as far as I'm concerned she should have gone to Prison. Having nearly all the Square conspire to aid her escape because Archie was a bad man makes me feel somewhat queasy to this day. However, it was dramatically good, interesting and memorable - more so than any of the others listed bar Pat.”
Stacey was a much better character before ''Stax''. I never agreed with how the writers dealt with her from that point onwards. They expected us to sympathise with her no matter what she did. The real low point was using Bipolar to justify most of her behaviour. In the end they couldn't be so offensive as to suggest she killed Archie because of her condition and therefore simply didn't offer any explanation at all lol!
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“Stacey was a much better character before ''Stax''. I never agreed with how the writers dealt with her from that point onwards. They expected us to sympathise with her no matter what she did. The real low point was using Bipolar to justify most of her behaviour. In the end they couldn't be so offensive as to suggest she killed Archie because of her condition and therefore simply didn't offer any explanation at all lol!”
“Stacey was a much better character before ''Stax''. I never agreed with how the writers dealt with her from that point onwards. They expected us to sympathise with her no matter what she did. The real low point was using Bipolar to justify most of her behaviour. In the end they couldn't be so offensive as to suggest she killed Archie because of her condition and therefore simply didn't offer any explanation at all lol!
”
So so so true.
When you think about how they handled both Stacey and Ronnie, they just insulted viewers....
Thing is, all of EE 2.0 is just a huge massive insult to viewers; I rememer thinking the exact same thing about EE in 2006, with the launch of 2.0.
Originally Posted by Filiman:
“So so so true.
When you think about how they handled both Stacey and Ronnie, they just insulted viewers....
Thing is, all of EE 2.0 is just a huge massive insult to viewers; I rememer thinking the exact same thing about EE in 2006, with the launch of 2.0.”
“So so so true.
When you think about how they handled both Stacey and Ronnie, they just insulted viewers....
Thing is, all of EE 2.0 is just a huge massive insult to viewers; I rememer thinking the exact same thing about EE in 2006, with the launch of 2.0.”
Ever since the reboot in 2006 with all the new characters and the new direction it went in (to the toilet) it's been one big insult to anyone who saw EastEnders at its best.
Originally Posted by Filiman:
“It is completely unrealistic for her to return though.... unless they pull something really cranking out of their arses, there is no way to get around the law. As a criminal convicted of an offence against a minor, it carries very stiff penalties, one of which is living in the same vicinity as the minor - regardless of what the parents of that minor may want. Den's return from death is more realistic than Ronnie's return. She has already destroyed what little credibility the show had with her ridiculous baby antics; now this! EE will nebver get back on form while she is around, mark my words.”
“It is completely unrealistic for her to return though.... unless they pull something really cranking out of their arses, there is no way to get around the law. As a criminal convicted of an offence against a minor, it carries very stiff penalties, one of which is living in the same vicinity as the minor - regardless of what the parents of that minor may want. Den's return from death is more realistic than Ronnie's return. She has already destroyed what little credibility the show had with her ridiculous baby antics; now this! EE will nebver get back on form while she is around, mark my words.”
Do you really think the average viewer is going to know that?
I'm not insulting the average viewers intelligence or anything just their knowledge in British law and the specific ins and outs isn't really going to be a huge thing to people.
Sharon's 95 exit was epic. Peggy's took from that with the hearing of voices. Incredibly character driven episode. The episode before with her scenes with David Wicks were pretty good too.
Originally Posted by AngelicPrincess:
“Sharon's 95 exit was epic. Peggy's took from that with the hearing of voices. Incredibly character driven episode. The episode before with her scenes with David Wicks were pretty good too.”
“Sharon's 95 exit was epic. Peggy's took from that with the hearing of voices. Incredibly character driven episode. The episode before with her scenes with David Wicks were pretty good too.”
That's not the only thing Peggy took from Sharon. She took her obsession with The Vic too. I wish the writers would go watch some old episodes and remember it was Sharon who lived and breathed for The Vic in a far more meaningful way than Peggy ever did.
Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“What about Shenice? She was well popular.
How can you not have Shenice on the poll?”
“What about Shenice? She was well popular.
How can you not have Shenice on the poll?”
Shenice's exit was unanimously praised and revered as the benchmark for a soap exit, so I doubt it would be fair to the other options on the poll to have her on the list.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Shenice's exit was unanimously praised and revered as the benchmark for a soap exit, so I doubt it would be fair to the other options on the poll to have her on the list.”
“Shenice's exit was unanimously praised and revered as the benchmark for a soap exit, so I doubt it would be fair to the other options on the poll to have her on the list.”
How is the Addiction?
I really feel for you hitting the Pills since the exit of Shenice.
I expect she will be back next year at the age of 30
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